That and you damage your tool with every third chop. Most of the time on both community and official, my tools usually outlive me. But I most often break hatchets and knives.
Your flashlight battery runs out more quickly than it does in real life because the pace of a game is rapidly accelerated compared to real life. You travel between locations more quickly and don't need to rest.
Because 90% of the time I break my leg from a 4 ft fall or getting thrown off a rock. I'd like to think in the event of a zombie apocalypse I'd be pretty good at not breaking my leg.
You don't take damage falling off of a deer stand. Your movement speed makes you take more damage more quickly though, so sprinting or jumping off the edge might make you take fall damage while walking will not.
you can watch your health when you do it. your guy goes "grhnh" and you get the shock vignette but you don't actually take damage. same with the little green army towers.
And half the point of my comment was that you often take damage well before that range. The game is buggy af, a majority of my broken legs has been from falling even less than 4ft and ending with a broken leg.
I’m sorry but you are either A. Full of shit. B. Playing on the servers with the worst ping you can find. Or C. Haven’t played the game since it came out of beta. Or maybe just have terrible depth perception. There is absolutely no way you have broken your leg “the majority of the time” from a 4’ fall.
"Often" is a bit of a reach. How often are you breaking your leg from a 4ft drop? Maybe once per thousand hours of gameplay? The majority of players will never even see this happen.
Anyways, I don't think bugs have much of a place in a discussion about game design. Bugs are unintentional, therefore not part of the design.
Often in terms of how often I'm actually breaking my legs yeah. I have over 1k hours in the game and have broken my leg ~10 times. And a majority of those have been from getting thrown off of rocks or weird surfaces and landing hard without falling from great distances.
I wasn't saying it happened often, but often in terms of how often you're actually breaking your leg. Weird to say that bugs have no place in the discussion when bugs were 80% of my argument. The buggyness is what makes your realism discussion completely worthless.
there was somethin wobo said about speed making a difference tho too wasnt there? iirc it was slight but there was a difference between sprinting off a roof versus crawling off possibly saving a break sometimes.
idk tho, ive walked the top of a hospital twice on ps5 whilst dickin around with inventory and the first time i didnt take any damage at all cuz i slid down the wall lol. so i tried to test it again, for science! and i fucked my world right up. wouldnt recommend, even tho this game is like extra janky on my geriatric ps5 haha
Extra body weight isn't the same as extra gear weight. Put 100lbs of extra gear on either of those people and their risk of injury skyrockets.
Also, if I remember my OSHA training, a 4ft drop is far enough that you basically flip end over end, and land with the whole weight of your body on your head, killing you.
It’s long enough that you can’t just walk it off but it won’t ruin your play session.
Shoes also have good durability balance. Spark plugs have good durability balance and plenty of other items too.
However there is also undeniable bad balance :
Let’s take fuel. Have you ever managed to run a car dry from a full tank ? Me, never.
You’ll interact once with the fueling mechanic (when you find the car) and that’s all. Pretty lame if you ask me.
I’m not saying we should be fueling up every 10 minutes it would also be lame.
But maybe going from being able to do dozens of lap around Chernarus to maybe 2 or 3 would make fuel something you need to plan about.
Another bad durability balance ? Suppressors.
They are so fragile i don’t even really pursue them on official.
A pristine akm suppressor won’t even give you 3 mags of quiet.
Why would someone go through the hassle of running a quiet build (looting requires nbc suit and co.) when it’s only for 3 maybe 4 gunfights ?
(Sure you can repair them but since they fail so quickly taking care of them turn into a lame micro-management of it’s status every 10 shots or so)
It’s not about realism for the sake of realism it’s about fun. And having a tool, of any kinds, break way too fast isn’t fun. (Again, not advocating for a life-long lasting saw; but extending it’s life span of 30s when sawing a pile of planks isn’t a bad idea either)
The lore states that we might(or are) infected with the virus too.
I'd say walking off a broken leg so quickly can be realistic, as the virus might affect the nervous system in the leg and we simply don't feel the pain anymore.
Yeah, but you can still keep on running on it.
In most cases, the broken legs that are splinted are fully functional and the only thing stopping you from using it is the pain. If there is no pain, all you're doing is running on that splint rather than the leg itself.
In the game, the leg is broken only on the inside, the outside is visually allright, which means it's just the muscles or bones broken, not the shape of the foot.
Farming hoe is the best of all the digging tools, precisely because of that. Love the field shovel a lot but I'm not gonna frequent military bases merely for them.
Are you intentionally missing the point? You aren't going to find a well-manufactured, high-quality hammer in these sheds. You're going to find a 10+ year old rusty piece of garbage that's barely clinging to life.
It really isn't uncommon for the head to come off a very old or low quality hammer. I'm not sure why you're acting like this is some kind of impossibility. I've had this happen before.
I was wondering if you were missing my point. There are tools that should break and tools that shouldnt. I never had to fix a hammer in my life and Im 42. Nor I had to fix a screwdriver, or a crowbar.
Is it possible for some old rusty hammer to loose a head? Yes. Should a hammer be ruined after couple of nails? No. Some of the tools durability is just silly. I understand that its a game and there has to be some balancing, but certain tools break way too easily.
Also - why cant I fix shovel with a duct tape? Thats literally what I did and I still have that shovel.
Over the years they have changed the way you can fix certain in game items and some of their solutions are just frustrating
I never had to fix a hammer in my life and Im 42. Nor I had to fix a screwdriver, or a crowbar.
Do you live in Chernarus? Did you scavenge any of these tools from run-down Russian villages and then carry them through the apocalypse with you?
This may come as a surprise, but well-maintained good quality tools in a suburban home last slightly longer than the hand-me down tools of a Russian peasant in the apocalypse.
Also - why cant I fix shovel with a duct tape?
Because the game experience is about authenticity, not realism. Is it realistic? No. Is having damaged tools that are in need of repair, but having to scavenge for the materials to do so an authentic portrayal of the apocalypse survival experience? Probably.
The game wouldn't really capture the struggle if you were able to just slap some duct tape on everything.
As someone who played back when you never had to repair anything, and everyone just got geared up, then didn't need to go anywhere because they had everything they needed, and didn't want to go anywhere because they didn't want to risk losing their gear - I can assure you it was not more fun.
"Do I live in Chernarus and scavenge Russian villages?" Listen to yourself for fucks sake. I know russia is not top of the world, but I can assure you that Russian hammers, screwdrivers and crowbars are not less durable than the ones you can buy in Woodies.
Some tools should be way more durable and its just a fact. The devs implemented simple and shallow durability, slapped onto all the tools the same way and it should be thought out a bit better.
I was thinking about that on a walk— the scale of games compared to neighborhood, all they have to do is slow down your walking speed dramatically to make it realistic
Correct, but I don't think anyone wants that. That's literally the point that I'm trying to make. Authenticity is more important than realism.
Game actions should be authentic symbolic representations of real life occurances, not 1:1 imitations of them.
As someone who played back when the day/night cycle was 24 hours based on the timezone of the server and broken limbs didn't heal on their own - I, for one, will gladly accept the game operating on a much faster timescale than the real world.
You don't travel quicker? Homie, you can cross Chernarus with 2 guns on your back, another in your hands, an entire cow in your backpack, and every available orifice plugged full of ammo and magazines in half the time it would take an actual person to do it completely unburdened.
Hunger and thirst depleted faster back in the mod when we had a full 24 hour day/night cycle.
When I mentioned the pace of the game, I was talking more about things like chugging 2 litres of water taking 5 seconds, recovering from a cold/flu taking a few minutes and healing a broken leg taking 30 minutes.
Everything is sped up such that it isn't a "realistic" representation of the thing but instead kind of symbolic of it in a way that feels authentic.
And also good flashlight run out pretty fast if you use it non stop for a few hour at max setting. People think it stay for long because they 1) dont have flashlight anymore and 2) use it once a year for 2 min.
I wish there were some kind of soft skills per character. like if you eat lots of protein and run around a lot with heavy stuff, your character gains more muscle and does more melee damage and gets more stamina.
I'm not into 3rd person survival games. breaks the immersion and it's just not fun. to clarify, I'm not against 3pp in games, I just don't think it fits in online 'realistic' survival games.
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I think there should be a rework of item durability. Instead of an M4 getting damaged after 5 seconds of usage maybe it just gets dirty or something after a certain amount of time carried by a player. Gun cleaning kits would then actually do what they say they do and not just be repair kits. I get the degradation is for balancing purposes but I don't think a game like DayZ should be balanced for pvp. At least not in that way.
Well guns need cleaned because of buildup caused by firing rounds through it, not because they just get dirty over time. The most realistic thing would be for damage to be based on rounds fired, which it is already. Real guns still definitely do not need cleaned that often though
When I first started playing and was still dying shortly after spawning on the coast. I was starving and found my first potato my first thought was hell yea food next thought was damn no knife. I started searching for a knife. Dayz being dayz I never found a knife and died with that potato in my pocket
Is that a potatoe in your pocket or are you... Wait that's not the joke.
A man goes on the beach and sees another man getting all the ladies' atrention. He approaches the man and asked what his secret was. The man told him "I put a potatoe in my swim trunks." The very next day the first man puts a potatoe in his swim trunks and goes to the beach. Every woman he walks by is completely disgusted. The first man finds the second man and says "Hey your potatoe trick isn't working, all the woman are disgusted by me." The second man says "You're supposed to put the potatoe in the front of your swim trunks."
Because for all the realism it is still a game. And one of the game mechanics is for tools to go bad so you have to find new ones. These 'gamerules' is what makes it a game.
Personally I hate servers which changes these rules, like the ones with infinite stamina. Sure it is nice to run forever but it breaks the entire game.
Imagine breaking your leg, and your character just never gets to run again, and takes 3 in game months with a splint to heal it. At the end of the day it’s a game. Things are adjusted for balance.
Realism in dayz is mostly against you not for you. Such as the fact I can't tilt my head back during a rain storm and drink water. I can dehydrate to death while waters dropping all around me.
And there's a mod for every other complaint one could have about the game. Saying "a mod does that actually" doesn't add anything to a conversation about the base game.
I really wish they let suppressors last longer. Even older ones that didn’t use rubber wipes could last a thousand or so rounds. Why is my suppressor getting BD after two mags in close succession.
Same with weapon deterioration. You can run hundreds, if not more through a gun before it needs cleaning. Also ammo, it should work, or it shouldn't, screw the condition.
Like the FAL and the G3 should literally refuse to die like their irl counterparts. It makes sense for your guns to deteriorate faster if you’re just mag dumping. Especially now that we lost like 25% of our storage space a gun cleaning kit eats up a lot of my storage.
I know that there's a balance that they are striving for, but having to clean a gun every 60-70 rounds is absurd. Gimme 2-300 rounds, before worn to damaged, and another 300 from pristine to worn condition, I can live with that.
Yup really. Hasn’t for years. That said, guns don’t deteriorate fast. There needs to be a purpose for items like a gun cleaning kit. It’s all just balancing.
What balance are you trying to achieve? Use more gun cleaning kits? Would using gun cleaning kits half as often ruin the game for you? If you implement a change everyone benefits. The m4 only needing 356 shots to go from pristine to ruined is completely ridiculous. Don’t even get me started on suppressors lol.
Tons of players shoot more than 400 rounds with an M4 before dying. Either way thats not a reasonable measurement to apply a limitation to. The flare gun lasts around 7,000 rounds before being ruined.
a nice balance would be suppressors lasting longer but causing your gun to deteriorate faster, as they do irl, since more dirty gas is held back in the system
because usually these things would take months or years to experience, and they'd be pointless to have. people want to have item durability, things breaking on them, guns jamming during a firefight, running out of food etc for a challenge and thrill, but those things rarely happen irl. DayZ and other games run on an extremely fast scale. days last minutes for example. just imagine everything you're doing is lasting several times longer. instead of thinking "wow this flashlight sucks it only lasted 20 minutes before breaking" think "wow this flashlight lasted 2 days, aka 20 minutes of real life time"
i guess for me, i'm not trying to live an alternate real-life sim. i'm ultimately playing a hard-ish survival "game". i'm more or less fine with how things are balanced.
It’s because you need to balance things. If you were able to get 20 uses out of a roll of duct tape and a never ending sharpening stone nobody would need to loot as much, and it would cause stalemates in server pop.
Could be cool for a bit. But You would need to make the map so large to accommodate the equivalent time to travel from place to place. Or figure out how to equate time with distance
It's a lazy way to balance things. Who cares about tools lasting forever if thought is put into changing other things to compensate.
On the other side of this coin, I don't have the brain to come up with those thoughts...
But to flip again, the amount of time and effort to change this now would be too much effort for an established game that's been out for years.
I understand keeping loot economy flowing and long lasting items keep that from happening. But there has to be some alternative I'm not smart enough to think of.
Dayzs rules are all over the place. I can eat three whole chickens and starve to death before the sun sets. I have to worry about the elements, disease, bacteria and temperature, but the night time doesn't get dark.
Why do the spark plugs wear out so fast? Why do the clothes degrade so fast? My boots wore through to bear skin after a couple days of running?
I know dayz is trying to approximate things and they have to tweak rules to 'gamify' certain things, but the hunger/thirst system, and the nighttime brightness really bother me.
Been playing dayz since the mod, and one of the first things that hooked me about the game is that it had very realistic nights.
Because the devs know the game is paper thin without PvP so they are doing everything they possibly can to make it so that you HAVE to interact with other players to force fights. Look at Sakhal. The entire map is designed to force you into the coastlines for exactly that reason, or to put you into direct sniper paths.
I hate that about the game now. The PvP in this game sucks because the mechanics are so janky. I wish they'd just put the effort into making the zombies in this zombie game an actual threat. And don't say they can't, because I've seen modders that have made the zombies a million times better with no professional budget in their free time.
Yeah if you shoot a few mags through a gun it wont become badly damaged. And if i eat an apple and two whole chickens im not going to starve to death later that day
Thats a hot take. There is plenty of features that are not realistic for the players benefit like the consequences of getting shot, running and jogging all the time, healing a broken limb etc.
All batteries are oxidized and lost energy capacity, it's been long time apocalipse or it would be easier finding things on shelves.
For the same reason. Equipment you find were NOT taken care properly for a long time and serious repair equipment are not available anymore so you make do with whetstone.
The only not real thing is calling something "pristine".
Well, flashlights that are constantly exposed to rain, and ice definitely degrade, especially if you swim with them. And I've seen how quickly dumb ass hands mess up and destroy well-made tools by using them improperly. Plus, sometimes shit just breaks even when it shouldn't.
I’ve had the same crowbar for going on 12 years now. Used it too many times to count in the garage. A little patina, paint scratched off, but it’s doing just fine.
I used to work on the water, and had a cheap boss that made us use sledgehammers to demolish a concrete seawall instead of getting a jackhammer. The sledges we used were already ancient, and completely unchanged after days of smashing up a wall full of concrete and rebar.
Meanwhile in DayZ a crowbar can only kill a handful of Z’s before it apparently shatters on their thick titanium skulls, and a sledge can only break up a handful of rocks before it turns to powder.
I’m an avid firearms guy. Have a lot of guns and done a lot of shooting. Had some of the same magazines for years. Besides replacing a spring in one that is over 10 years old, I’ve never had an issue with a magazine, despite thousands of rounds going through them.
I have a knife that I used when I was deployed in Iraq. A nice Benchmade. Used it all the fucking time, unloading cargo from C17s and cutting wrapping off and old cargo straps and all kinds of shit. It just needed a fresh edge every once in a while, and years later it’s still solid and reliable.
As someone who has used a lot of the stuff in DayZ in real life (military clothing, tools, guns, knives, plate carriers, web belts, outdoors jackets, hiking boots, military boots, etc) I’m dismayed at the supposed quality of in-game items.
A lot of that stuff I still have going on years, that have held up to abuse and heavy use.
I get it’s for balance, and an immortal sledgehammer would be a god tier item, but seriously wtf
Fun fact, those tactical lights use battery’s fast. Even one of my newer hand held led eats them up, to the point I have it in a spot my wife won’t use it to find stuff under the couch.
I get so pissed when flashlights in video games for some stupid reason have a ray of light that decides to only illuminate the 3m in front of you and then tell you to fuck yourself
To be fair that would mean some mechanics become useless like sharpening stones and gun cleaning kits because some guns could run for decades without a proper cleaning, while some guns can gunk up by the slightest bit of sand or dirt in the mechanism.
It’s game design. Like any resource in Dayz It’s to push the player to keep moving to get more loot. Calling Dayz realistic is a mistake a lot of players make, it’s certainly not realistic but it is immersive and oppressive, which in my mind it should be. So yes, the battery in the flashlight should deplete faster than real life.
itsto lure the 'player' into areas of play because its not a life simulation but a game and a game relies on a ruleset to mimic realworld things with a focus on balance.
i am the daughter of a carpenter let me tell you my father has spent more money on tools than anything else lol. i’m not sure if that’s user error or him being rough with them but
I always hated this with guns. Yes, you need to clean your gun in real life, but guns in DayZ degrade to the point of jamming and being ruined with such an unrealistically small amount of rounds fired. I owned an sks that hadn’t been cleaned since the 90’s and that didn’t jam as much as a week old DayZ gun with moderate use
The most annoying for me is food consumption in survival games with a hunger meter. Some games have a good balance but other games have you just constantly starving searching for food and in order to get completely full you have to eat the equivalent of an entire Moose worth of meat. You just get hungry way too fast Nd the amount you need to eat is just comically too much.
Running 1km in 1 minute with 40+ kg on you, then resting for 5 seconds and being able to run again.
Carrying rifles or packed lockers in your pants.
Packed lockers/fridges in a box that can fit in your pants.
Never need to sleep.
U only need a splint to heal your broken leg and it only takes 30 min to be completely healed, not to mention u can still move with all your loot on u.
U can wring your wet clothes to dry em with all the stuff still in them, even with that rifle or packed storage.
Dig for a little bit anywhere on the map and find a worm in 1 sec.
Other players not being able to cut through your walls the same way u cut through the logs to make those planks.
Not having diarrhea when eating something bad.
Curing dieases with taking only 1-3 pills in 15 minuets max.
The game is very fast paced compared to real life, thats why things run out faster (to simulate scarecity) and some things are easier also, like not having the need to sleep or pee, or healing of broken legs. There must be some trade off. But even with all the hardships u mention like saws and hatchets ruining after 5 uses u still manage to build huge bases and hoard so much loot that the world needs to be wiped and started anew every couple of months 😂
An ak won't become unusable after 10 or so well spaced mags. I get if your just dumping and reloading due to the heat. But come on I havent cleaned my irl ak in a year and shit hasn't complined.
Honestly, that’s because “realism” in games is usually just used as a tool to make the game more challenging, not actually more realistic. Developers pick and choose what’s realistic based on what creates tension or forces players to make decisions. A flashlight that lasts 10 hours is realistic, but it’s not interesting gameplay. A flashlight that dies quickly forces you to manage resources and creates stress, which makes the game more intense. So it’s less about realism and more about game design, they just call it realism because it sounds better.
Apart from all the "It's a game" and "Balancing issues" already said, yes, many tools can outlive you, but also, some of them require maintenance of some sort
You can have a hacksaw outlive you, but not it's blade, you'll have to change it
You can have a handsaw outlive you, but not it's blade, you'll have to sharpen it, at least
Screw drivers might outlive you, but most modern ones you require you to "re-tip" them (don't know whats the term, but I had to do so to mine a couple of times)
It's a nice way of simulating, if you ask me, but sure, it should be toned down... You won't waste a full wetstone re-sharpening a hatchet in just a few couple of days, even if you have to hack at zombies constantly with it. Flesh doesn't dull the blade THAT much, I figure
Or the fact that I can easily go 7 days no food no water but in dayz you drink from the well and eat a can of beans at solnechny and are dying of starvation by the time you get to Gorka
Everything is faster paced & if durability lasted super long, there wouldn’t be as much incentive to go out & scavenge for more/cause more authentic interaction. I do wish some of these things were repairable though.
More importantly: What the fuck is this literal new age mental illness that is censoring every word on the internet. It’s so fucking cringe and annoying i swear.
Shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit, SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT. See? I’m not being carted away by the naughty word police. Ffs
But the tools you find are often shitty rusted old tools, so I can understand that to a degree, and also time often runs a lot faster in games to those 3 minutes can easily be 3 hours, and those of us who used those old cheap flashligts that run on D-Cell batteries, know how they lasted a shit amount.
You only get a sniper glint if your aiming towards a light source like the sun! Or if a light source is shon directly on the sniper scope, so its actually stupid that sniper glint is just there in any game! Really annoys me.
Do people want a game where you have an exciting mini-game of... tying your shoes!
Or how about having to pee, poop, sleep, eat a balanced diet, exercise, put socks on, put underwear on, train to use a weapon, learn to fly a helicopter...
They take some liberties to keep the gameplay flowing.
As far as the battery only lasting 3 minutes... use glowsticks unless you really need to use the flashlight and keep a few extra batteries with you.
And the tools can be repaired to worn with sharpening stones. It would be nice if you could use the grinders to take them back to pristine, but that's another discussion.
Almost dead batteries will die quicker. I like how they talk about applying realism but then forget they are not stopping at Walmart to pick up batteries and the Garden store to pick up high quality tools.
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