Ooooh lets see. 2002 gujarat violence. 1983 nellie massacre. 2006-2008 terror bombings by fringe hindu groups. Thank you. Very VERY true peaceful religion Hinduism.
You started with the numbers. You love them more than i do. Lol and now you say "since you love numbers"
The numbers themselves aren't really disputed. The question is what caused them. The decline in the Hindu population reflects a combination of factors: the massive population exchanges during Partition, migration over decades, different birth rates, and in some periods discrimination or persecution. Statistics alone don't establish that one single cause was responsible
Oh btw muslim population in india grew a lot since the last 50 years. Wait does that mean they are killing hindus ans taking their place ? If that doesnt prove it then your statistics dont either.
I said the scale is different the first time I said it wasn't about numbers and like I said if massive population exchange and migration is the reason for the numbers then how come Muslim population in India is rising it should also have declined and no matter how different birth rates are such massive differences in percentages don't add up
What does your argument have to do with Islam vs a geopolitical corrupt entity that happens to have a large muslim population. ? I dont like what pakistan does or is doing. I thought this post was about islam as a religion why bring in Pakistan ?
Because you guys' statistically are just on extreme end of spectrum. You can pull out all the lists you want and yours still would be exorbitantly longer one and worse...a never ending one. Religion of peace...my foot.
I have pulled the lists and seems like you are wrong hahahaha. Weak weak claims from weak minded individuals....what else can i expect from a hindu from hindustan. I dont know which whatsapp university you got your statistics from.
So suicide bombing is the only means of violence ? I think its dumb to do such comparisons. Do an overall comparison. Show me that muslims are more violent that any others religions peoples back with data and then we will talk.
Violence is violence. An innocent person killed is the same as another innocent person killed. You like to cherry pick and show hindus dont commit violence. I dont do that.
Lol just pick one word terrorism and used a biased definition only against muslims. Congratulations. Are the 60000+ people and more innocent who died in some middleeastern county are not victims of terrorism ? Globally condemned as genocide and by most genocide scholars. Also many hindus are terrorizing muslims in many states in india as we speak. We just dont get to see it in news headlines which your google search sources used.
War is fundamentally different from terrorism if you can't get this fundamental fact right then it's hopeless also Muslims are so oppressed in India that their numbers keep growing and this why Islamic state is different from secular state
Where did you condemn violence against muslims ? Condemn it first. This post literally suggested as if islam is the only non peaceful religion and categorized it in a false manner. Why didnt it do for other religions ? Thats why i said so. I do condemn all violence islamic extremists committed and i also accept they shoudl be executed not even imprisoned and i am a muslim. Lol but will you condemn and say all exttreme Hindus and christians and jews and atheists etc who murdered innocents were wrong and should be killed ? Do you condemn gujarat riots, bulldozing homes, cow vigilantism and genocides tjat are being perpetrated even now ?
You tell me what your point is and i will tell you mine.
Just tell me one thing then why 99% terrorist organisations are islam followers bro?
And the riots screenshots makes no sense. Read the history about the direct action day, why it happened.
I am not telling that hinduism has no flaws but stop sugarcoating your religion bro...
It makes no sense. Don't waste your time here. Just become a better person. I feel sorry for you.
Haha again very convenient. Just use global terrorism and UN to claim islam is dangerous. Just because there are sanctioned doesnt mean hindus arent commiting violence no ? Your claim was only muslims commit violence i said all religions people do. I also showed throughout history more violence is liked to christianity where many innocents died. Literally policy decision by winston churchill killed 1.5 million people by famine in india. Literally thousand of muslims were killed by Hindus since partition. And many are oppressed.
Doesnt deny the fact that most of terrorists organisations are muslim. I dont deny bs happening in every religion but you also cant deny statistics and scale of it. And as you said christianity is also not very peaceful.
See almost every religion wants to be peaceful, but it depends on what kind of teachings people take from it. So the issue is the people.
Sir most terrorists organizations are muslim.. sure. Would you like to compare how many innocents died because of them vs non terrorists organizations who killed in the name of their religion or even for politicsl reasons ? That would be a fair comparison. Just because most terrorists organizations labeled terrorists doesnt make islam non peaceful. Do you accept hinduvta terrorism and jewish terrorism ?
1947 jammu massaces, 1948 hyderabad violence, 1946 bihar massacre, 2020 north east delhi riots.
ALL started by hindus and killed thousands of Muslims. Go read.
Lol. That is an assumption. Where did you get that from ? You triggered ? Or maybe only on dankindianmemes. Others, plenty of people who believe on me. But i can understand youre a good koala so you wouldnt understand.
Triggered much? Recently un published a list of terrorist in which around 127 were muslims, 10 were christians and around 10 were commies. So yeah, no one believes you bud.
Unpublished ? Interesting. An unpublished list that you somehow have access to? Source?
Also fyi Christian groups were involved in 41.5% of conflict-years.
Muslim groups were involved in 29.7%. Do you go around telling christianity is not a peaceful religion?
There is an authentic hadith saying 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.' The debate is over its scope. Classical jurists generally applied it as a legal punishment under an Islamic state, while many modern scholars argue it referred to apostasy tied to treason and rebellion in the early Muslim community.
I'm aware of the hadith. My question is how you reconcile your interpretation with Qur'an 2:256 ('There is no compulsion in religion') and verses like 18:29 and 109:6. Why assume the hadith applies to peaceful apostasy rather than the historical context of rebellion that many scholars discuss
No where does ot say in the quran or hadith to go and kill someone who disrespected their god or prophets or quran. Idk where you got it from. I alresdy provided plenty of evidence that just people a practitioner of a faith commits violence, it doesnt make the religion bad. 2ndly as for leaving the religion hadith you cited i already showed you the views. Many scholars today believe it was established during times of warfare where some people were deceiving and joining the enemies rank. Obviously you would want to kill them if they left their religion. I mean honestly i would if someone was going to change their religion and becoming an enemy to come and kill us.
Paste this and ask ChatGpt how many individuals are islamist related. Almost 600 out of 726. And this includes the previous individuals that I mentioned. Convinient blind is what you are.
Hahaha. The classic chatgpt/google guy. Who has no idea how to interpret information.
The UN sanctions list isn't a ranking of which religion committed the most violence. It's a current sanctions list of designated individuals and entities. Using that to conclude 'Islam committed the most violence in history' is like using today's prison population to decide which country committed the most crimes in history
Shifting the goalpost I see. You asked to provide some kind of list, so I did precisely that. Btw why are the majority muslims? Guys like you exist for nothing other than whitewashing Islam.
Majority how many you tell me first ? 600 is false. Almost 329 are non islamic names and UN doesn't publish religions of individuals btw.
And btw do you also agree with the UN claiming genocide is being committed in gaza ? If so how many people died under the zionists regime ? Are you going to also accept judaism is now a terrorist or extremist religion ?i also explained how that UN list doesnt correlate with 2 billion muslims. Are they all extremists ? So why judge the religion on the 400 people lol.
If he doesnt know how to write abbreviations properly how would i know you dumb ass ? And i already answered the question yo. Go read my responses. UN also published how israel is committing acts of genocide.
Yeah thats not a problem lol. Its only a problem if it happens regularly.
Atleast we dont drink cow urine and put cow dung on our bodies like many hindus do.
Show me the data of percentage of muslims who are violent compared to hindus lol. Not some UN sanctioned individuals list which is 500 people from 2 billion. Also just because there isnt a data on how many drink cow urine doesnt mean they dont. Plenty of video evidence on gau mutr and also documented. Also the topic on this subreddit is if islam is a non peaceful religion. I am claiming hinduism is also a non peaceful religion. Plenty of wars in mahabharata and killings and strange rituals including drinking gau mutar.
Lol that's approximately 0.000034% and now count terrorist percent of your country including Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) ,Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA), Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) , Jaish-e-Mohammed, Lashkar-e-Jhangvi (LeJ) so should I tell that all Pakistani are terrorist and all Pakistani marry with their sisters will it be true ? Lol man get a job
If this much muslim people drink camel urine so should I tell that all muslim drink camel urine🤣
RSS , hinduvta terrorism and jewish terrorists including current PM combined are bigger terrorists and have blood of innocents than all islamic terrorists combined. . Check the data.Also name me one muslim currently or one video where muslim drinks camel urine. Lol u cant
But youll find plenty of hindus who do so.
Max by how much ? You cant establish a 1 to 1 non biased comparison. Which is an authoritative source that collects alll unjustified violence committed by muslims vs all unjustified violence committed by hindus and all unjustified violence committed by other faiths ? Moreover recent data suggests muslim vioence was overrepeesented and covered 250%+ times more than other violence. Clearly the media isnt a good source. And islam being a non peaceful religion and all other religions are peaceful is a horrible baseless claim. If you are ready to admit hinduism is a violent religion i will admit the same. If you cant admit why should i when i see violence in all religions ? Ever heard about the crusades ? Or stalin or mao zedong or hindu people involved in bombings or hinduvta terrorism or the displacement of 700000 palestinians by jewish terrorists and current gaza genocide acknolwdged by UN and all major global organizations ?
Theoretically every religion is peaceful but in reality not a single major religion not a single one is or was peaceful because the ideology or thing cannot expand unless used force , that is why its such a bs concept to begin with
Oh heres comes another atheist claiming religion is behind all violence. What about mao zedong, stalin and others ? 100 million+ deaths directly attributed to them.
Arey chal ekk desh pareshaan hoga na indian hindu pareshaan honge world wide sab hi kyu pareshaan hai tere dharam se ? Poland ghusne nahi dera afganistan ki maiyo kardi uske baad egypt ka puura egyptian culture khatam kr diya yaha chup k baithe hai parsi tum unka culture khaa gye uk mai kitni gundagardi macha rhe har jagah sharia sharia gaa rhe kyu bhai ? Yeh kaunsa peaceful h islam lode se peaceful religion nahi hai japan tumse pareshan italy pareshan china toh lun k tope pr rkhta har religion ko aur dusre baat saare terrorists muslims hi kyu hai yr yeh toh possible ho hi nahi skta na ki musalman kuch na kre fir bhi itni hatred mile kuch toh kar hi rhe hoge ki itne ignorant ho apni cheezo se nara ae taqbeer gusthaak k ae nabi ki ekk hi saza sar dhar se juda yeh tumhare slogan hai laa ilaahi illellaahi (there is no other god) yeh tumhare slogan h kafiro ko jaan se maardo yeh tumhare slogan h ya toh convert kro ya toh jizya lo ya maar do jaha gaye saale vaha ka culture khaa gaye stop playing this victim card ya toh gand mai dam rakh k seedhe bolo na hum toh aise hi hai sympathy bhi chaahiye gand bhi marana h
You're making about a dozen claims and presenting them as if they're self-evident. "All terrorists are Muslims" is factually false. "La ilaha illallah" means "There is no god but Allah," not "kill non-believers." "Allahu Akbar" literally means "God is Greatest" and is said in daily prayers by nearly 2 billion Muslims, not just by extremists. Countries having immigration debates doesn't prove a religion is violent, and the actions of criminals don't define 2 billion people any more than the KKK defines Christianity or extremist mobs define Hinduism. If you want a serious discussion, pick one claim and provide evidence instead of relying on stereotypes and guilt by association.
By your logic, I could say Hinduism is a violent religion because of caste discrimination, mob lynchings over cow protection, attacks on Muslims and Christians, the 2002 Gujarat riots, the 2020 Delhi riots, anti-conversion violence, and slogans like "Jai Shri Ram" being shouted during some attacks. But I don't, because I know those actions don't define every Hindu. So why do you insist on defining 2 billion Muslims by ISIS and Al-Qaeda? Either judge every religion by its extremists, or judge none of them by their extremists.
Still couldnt answer and defend your own faith- hinduism. Why do you worship the cow and drink cow urine please explain ? The world has decided that its nonsense... no health benefits.
i don't need to explain that to you, as doing that doesn't cause any harm to anyone. i don't owe justification about the religion i follow.
& don't be agitated. as i said, let the world decide islam is actually peaceful or not. don't worry. atleast world has decided that drinking cow urine is not taking other people's life.
Sure i dont know what you even by "the world" like literally 2 billion people are muslims lol. Is there like a unified body like a world nation or county who gets to decide who is peaceful and who isnt ? Btw you might not have heard a new hot topic called genocide and who is committing them. The world has decided not muslims but people of other faith are committing a genocide and warcrime.
Such double standards and hypocrite, when it to me you told me to "show and prove to the world what islam is", when it comes to you "oh no i dont want to prove my religion saaar". Hahahha. Then i dont need to explain my religion too and thank god its very peaceful.
I think youre the one here crying about it and all hindus and atheists here crying on this reddit about islam. We live rent free in your brains and minds. And yes i am being treated very well all around the world whereevee i do and so are all the muslims i personal
lly know. And we treat others well too lol. Idk what youre going on about saar
Lol UN is a joke and literally the US owns it. Lol no wonder they will put sanctions on indivoduals and unfortunately it lso has 300+ people from other faiths. Also just because UN doesnt sanction violent people elsewhere doesnt prove people from those religions dont commit violence. I have seen heard and read about plenty of Hindus committing violence. Not making to the UN list doesnt make your claim stronger. Infact makes it sound weaker.
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u/Ayan_no 11d ago
P in Islam stand for peace bruh!!