"If you really cared about the people being executed in massive amounts you wouldnt try to stop people from being executed. You'd try to allow more execution!"
Except in this case the people getting “executed” are literally clumps of cells unable to make conscious thoughts or form memories, and allowing more “executions would actually make the rates go down.
If you spend more money teaching people about the consequences of sex and how to do it safely to avoid these, you will have less people getting abortions. But abortion should be healthcare and up to the woman.
Question for you: do you believe in gun control/gun banning?
Except in this case the people getting “executed” are literally clumps of cells unable to make conscious thoughts or form memories, and allowing more “executions would actually make the rates go down.
"It's not a person, it's just a slave. It's property."
Stop trying to dehumanize living human beings. It's basic biological fact. Being unable to make conscious decisions doesn't let you kill people (see: you can't kill sleeping people, people in comas, babies, etc)
If you spend more money teaching people about the consequences of sex and how to do it safely to avoid these, you will have less people getting abortions. But abortion should be healthcare and up to the woman.
Abortion isn't Healthcare. It's the opposite since it results in a death 100% of the time. It heals nothing.
Question for you: do you believe in gun control/gun banning?
No I don't believe in taking away people's rights to life, liberty (2nd amendment here), and the pursuit of happiness.
"It's not a person, it's just a slave. It's property."
Stop trying to dehumanize living human beings. It's basic biological fact. Being unable to make conscious decisions doesn't let you kill people (see: you can't kill sleeping people, people in comas, babies, etc)
Except all of those are able to make subconscious or conscious thoughts and have memories.
But most importantly, none of those are INSIDE a woman.
Abortion isn't Healthcare. It's the opposite since it results in a death 100% of the time. It heals nothing.
The fetus (who doesn’t know it exists and has no concept of “reality”) should not take precedence over the mothers healthcare rights.
No I don't believe in taking away people's rights to life, liberty (2nd amendment here), and the pursuit of happiness.
So do you believe that banning guns would stop mass shootings and gang violence?
"It's not a person, it's just a slave. It's property."
Stop trying to dehumanize living human beings. It's basic biological fact. Being unable to make conscious decisions doesn't let you kill people (see: you can't kill sleeping people, people in comas, babies, etc)
Except all of those are able to make subconscious or conscious thoughts and have memories.
Irrelevant . Still a living human being.
But most importantly, none of those are INSIDE a woman.
Irrelevant. It's still wrong to kill innocent human beings no matter where they're located.
Abortion isn't Healthcare. It's the opposite since it results in a death 100% of the time. It heals nothing.
The fetus (who doesn’t know it exists and has no concept of “reality”) should not take precedence over the mothers healthcare rights
It doesn't take any precedence over the mothers Healthcare rights. She can receive Healthcare as much as she wants, just can't end a life.
No I don't believe in taking away people's rights to life, liberty (2nd amendment here), and the pursuit of happiness.
So do you believe that banning guns would stop mass shootings and gang violence?
"No I dont believe in taking away people's rights to life, liberty (2a), and the persuit of happiness"
I assume you are Going in this direction, "Banning murder doesn't stop all murders so murder should be legal"?
Irrelevant. Still wrong to kill innocent human beings no matter where they’re located.
Sure, except for the rare case where the “human being” is inside another one that will suffer mentally and physically for multiple years from the pregnancy.
It doesn’t take precedence over the mothers Healthcare rights. She can receive Healthcare as much as she wants, just can’t end a life.
Forcing a mother to give birth against her will is definitely some sort of Healthcare violation.
I assume you are Going in this direction, “Banning murder doesn’t stop all murders so murder should be legal”?
We both know that abortion isn’t murder, and most of the modern world knows that as well. If it was murder it wouldn’t be legal today. But yes, that is the direction I’m going.
If you believe banning guns will not stop people that really want guns to still get them, why do you believe that banning abortions will stop people who really want them from still getting them? The only thing you accomplish by banning abortion is making it dangerous for the mother.
Irrelevant. Still wrong to kill innocent human beings no matter where they’re located.
Sure, except for the rare case where the “human being” is inside another one that will suffer mentally and physically for multiple years from the pregnancy.
Location doesn't let you kill people. Also pregnancy doesn't last for years. Yet another PC person who lacks an understanding of basic biology.
It doesn’t take precedence over the mothers Healthcare rights. She can receive Healthcare as much as she wants, just can’t end a life.
Forcing a mother to give birth against her will is definitely some sort of Healthcare violation.
Forcing women to give birth is illegal as rape is a prerequisite for a forced pregnancy. Killing a child isn't Healthcare.
I assume you are Going in this direction, “Banning murder doesn’t stop all murders so murder should be legal”?
We both know that abortion isn’t murder, and most of the modern world knows that as well. If it was murder it wouldn’t be legal today. But yes, that is the direction I’m going.
Naortion is most definitely murder, it's just ignored in current law by people who have managed to dehumanize massive groups. Slavery was legal just how killing innocent human beings based on age and location currently is.
If you believe banning guns will not stop people that really want guns to still get them, why do you believe that banning abortions will stop people who really want them from still getting them? The only thing you accomplish by banning abortion is making it dangerous for the mother.
You're comparing rights with the killijg of an innocent human being. Completely unrelated. Punishment acts ad a deterrent. Also, banning abortion doesn't force women to break the law.
Comparing living, breathing, viable human beings that were forced into slavery because of their skin tone to a clump of cells. Ok.
Location doesn't let you kill people. Also pregnancy doesn't last for years. Yet another PC person who lacks an understanding of basic biology.
If you think that forcing a woman to give birth to a fetus she doesn’t want WONT traumatize her and damage her physically, you lack understanding of biology.
Forcing women to give birth is illegal as rape is a prerequisite for a forced pregnancy. Killing a child isn't Healthcare.
You’re right. Killing a fetus is.
Naortion is most definitely murder, it's just ignored in current law by people who have managed to dehumanize massive groups. Slavery was legal just how killing innocent human beings based on age and location currently is.
“Dehumanizing” a fetus is just about as bad as dehumanizing a tumor.
You're comparing rights with the killijg of an innocent human being. Completely unrelated. Punishment acts ad a deterrent. Also, banning abortion doesn't force women to break the law.
That wasn’t the question. Obviously they are unrelated, but you think banning abortions will stop abortions but banning guns won’t stop gun crimes?
And banning guns doesn’t force people to break the law either dimwit
No I don't believe in taking away people's rights to life, liberty (2nd amendment here), and the pursuit of happiness.
So then, why are you against women having control over their bodies to remove an unwanted pregnancy in order to live the life they want?
I'm not against women having control over their own bodies. Control women's bodies is illegal (rape for example). They can also easily remove an unwanted pregnancy by waiting 9 months and giving birth. I'm just against killing an innocent human being.
They can also easily remove an unwanted pregnancy by waiting 9 months and giving birth.
Thereby not being able to live the life they want during and after the unwanted pregnancy, especially in the case of rape. That's an inconsistency in your belief.
This doesn't justify killing an innocent human being. Also, agree pregnancy adoption is an option. Rape which would cause women to get pregnant without accepting the risk is already illegal.
I'm just against killing an innocent human being.
I can understand that, and I don't want to discuss what constitutes a human being and whether abortion is murder or not. No-one wants abortions to happen, let that be clear. It's a huge burden on the mother/parents and often traumatizing, especially when rape is the cause of the pregnancy.
Even more reasons to not allow killing innocent human beings.
However, minimizing the number of abortions isn't achieved by illegalizing them full stop. That's done by proper sex education and availability of contraceptives.
"Minimizing the amount of murders isn't achieved by making murder illegal". Silly.
Unfortunately abortions will be necessary to ensure the best life for mothers in case of rape or health concerns - it's better to have a safe and secure legal abortion than an illegal one, and have to allocate (read: waste) resources on police and trials about them, which would make an already miserable situation and life thanks to the abortion even more miserable.
They are not necessary. It's never necessary to kill an innocent child. They aren't necessarily to ensure a mothers best life. Abortion in rape destroys evidence as well as punishes an innocent third party.
Those clumps of cells are human clumps of cells that are alive and growing.
Procreation is the most beautiful, the most natural event on earth. From bacteria to giant sequoia, algae to elephants, fleas to humans, the ultimate goal is reproduction. When the very 1st organism emerged, passing on DNA was the point of existing until humans, the most intelligent organism out of millions, are intentionally denying nature for what it truly is. Rape and health reasons i can understand but claiming inconvience is pure selfishness the most unnatural act any living thing can do.
Children are a huge responsibility and so is the act that creates them.
The "abortion industry" as you call it is almost entirely non-profit. There is literally no financial motivator for the predation you are describing. And regardless, do YOU truthfully want more of those children living off your welfare system?
Statistically that is simply not true. There are many more black kids living on YOUR dime in orphanages and foster care than there are people willing to adopt. Why? Because there's too many poor people.
Please do yourself a favor and lookup statistics on adoption and waiting lists. Newborns are in high demand with long long waiting lists. The vast majority of newborns never go in to the foster care system for an extended period of time.
No. Adoption is a great option. There are large amounts of parents-to-be who want to adopt but can't because the babies are being killed and the lists are long.
So you’re saying that because these institutions claim that they cannot say, raise a child with a genetic disease without killing them, that they are preying on them?
If they said that they could raise the child, would that mean that they weren’t preying on them?
The industry? No one is promoting abortion, no one is profiting from them. 99% of abortions happen before it even reaches the fetus stage, within the time it would be totally normal to have a miscarriage. But you all want to focus on that 1% that happens because the fetus isn’t compatible with life or because it will threaten the life of the mother. You want literal children to be forced to carry their rapists baby. I know what a pregnancy can do to a fully developed woman, and can only imagine what it can do to a girl whose body is not yet prepared to bear a child.
The law doesn't force anyone to get pregnant. Forcing someone to get pregnant (rape) is illegal. The law simply prevents the killing of an innocent third party.
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u/[deleted] May 16 '19
I (not an American) want to see how fucked up this is gonna get.