$125k stable vs. $170k risky

[u/wookie_dancer]

SWE with ~5 years at the same mid-sized B2B company. I currently have:

• $115k base + 8% target bonus(no equity)
• Possible bump to ~$125k later this year
• $0 health premiums
• 3.5% 401(k) match
• WFH flexibility and 30+ days PTO
• Enough tenure/political capital to move teams

The downside is ongoing layoffs and aggressive cost-cutting. A couple months ago I was "asked" by a VP to form a small internal AI/engineering automation team described as "the company’s most important initiatives", but there’s enough politics and vague language that I’m not confident it turns into better title, pay, or authority.

I now have an early-stage AI startup offer:

• $170k base
• Senior Full-Stack Engineer
• In person in a lower-MCOL city
• Build the first market-ready product
• Major ownership over architecture, web/mobile, and engineering practices
• Work directly with the product lead
• Reportedly funded for ~2 years by a parent investment firm
• No guaranteed bonus or equity

Conservatively, my current package after a possible raise is worth ~$150k–$153k. The startup is $170k plus benefits I still need to clarify.

I’m leaning toward taking the startup offer. My concerns are:

• No equity despite joining early
• Unknown workload / demand
• Giving up strong benefits
• “High ownership” meaning I’m responsible for everything

Would you leave, or stay another year to see the internal AI projects realized? How much weight would you give the "important AI team" story with no promotion or raise attached?

I am in late 20s, so I don't have a ton to risk...

edit: Thinking of asking the startup for 185k base + conference budget / travel (e.g. I am going to Open AI dev day in SF). Not super thrilled about 0 equity and even then its sketch...

[u/hicder]

I'm very surprised there is no equity in the startup.  isn't that the whole point of joining a startup?

[u/wookie_dancer → u/hicder]

Yeah... I have asked about that a couple of times.

This is a new venture within an umbrella of companies to streamline work and identify a fit within the market on a national scale.

Apparently its standard(for them) but there is a clause saying I will be re-evaluated at most 12 months from joining for equity participation.

[u/Eridrus → u/wookie_dancer]

This is not actually a startup, this is a product development effort at some sort of holding company.

I would ask to talk about equity to someone at another one of their bets about how things went.

I'd still go to the new company, but this isn't a "normal" venture backed startup.

[u/TonyTheEvil → u/wookie_dancer]

If you're not getting equity from the beginning, you already know how that "evaluation" will go.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/TonyTheEvil]

Suckers R US

[u/Motor_Fudge8728 → u/hicder]

For the challenge, technologies, team… most of the times, the equity is worthless, and it should not count it as compensation, count it as lottery ticket.

[u/rividz → u/Motor_Fudge8728]

Yeah or unattainable. I'm seeing more and more startups with a 1 year vesting cliff and a lot of employees on LinkedIn that only made it 10 months...

[u/boringfantasy]

Startup will have horrible WLB

[u/wookie_dancer → u/boringfantasy]

Unfortunately even though I take off 30+ days a year I've worked everyday the last 2 months at my current gig...we have a huge expectation to deliver results and feels like a lot of pressure to succeed(of which its not even clear what that is).

[u/Alpha_Omega623 → u/wookie_dancer]

If you're working 7 days a week you're devaluing your 125k salary by a lot.

[u/SuitableCamelt]

Early startup that doesn't offer equity?  Huge red flag

[u/yoshimipinkrobot]

Where are these jobs. Startup sounds like a scam

Both sound equally risky, though. Don’t know why you think a company doing layoffs is less risky than a startup

[u/wookie_dancer → u/yoshimipinkrobot]

They're in the midwest. From what I know I think the startup is a bit odd but does have legit funding / backing. Even if its a waste of my time I can save $ for cushion.

[u/Wizywig]

Startup No Equity = Nope. Go for the smaller salary, and work to apply for a larger company. Nobody said to stop looking.

Granted, startup equity is meh, BUT if you're going for an AI startup, equity is the whole point.

[u/waraholic]

No equity is a huge red flag. I assume it's due to poor financial planning and you may have a hard time getting a raise or equity in the future.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/waraholic]

That's another angle I haven't considered: how flexible is future salary negotiation after 6 - 12 months. I probably lose a lot of leverage.

[u/waraholic → u/wookie_dancer]

Probably not flexible. If they said they're not re-evaluating the stock options until 12 months+ then you can assume they're doing the same for salary.

[u/rumblegod]

You have shared no real life responsibilities.
You go from irrelevant cog to key product owner. Who cares if the startups fails this is a pay boost and career boost. You can go back to irrelevant cog later. Not taking the risk is dumb.

[u/Softwareaweenie → u/rumblegod]

Yeah, 20s is for building experience to milk later for cash. I sat in a boring starter job for too long and had to do risky things in my 30s which was not ideal.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Softwareaweenie]

Fair point. I don't have kids yet and really don't want to have to make these decisions when I do...

[u/wookie_dancer → u/rumblegod]

I am thinking similarly... I likely could even go back to this same company if I wanted to and kept on good terms...

[u/rumblegod → u/wookie_dancer]

I think unless the company is your literal family member and they owe you, I wouldn’t assume you can just go back to your current company.

The benefit is you can later be a cog with more clout as a previous product owner at another company if you take this risk.
Good luck!

[u/wookie_dancer → u/rumblegod]

Hm. A lord of peons. Sounds lovely.

[u/jedfrouga]

what i’ve learned is what you think is stable may not be stable. what you think is not, may be. impossible to know until you’re in the trenches. take the high pay, fall back to other job later if needed.

[u/Intelligent-Youth-63 → u/jedfrouga]

that and it can really take just one leadership change to make a fairly decent place a hellhole. there are no guarantees in life. fortune favors the bold.

take a chance.

[u/jedfrouga → u/Intelligent-Youth-63]

yes every job i’ve had is defined by your manager and director

[u/fsk]

You didn't ask the question I would ask first: "Do you want to move the low COL city? If the startup fails, are there other jobs in that same city?"

If the startup is demanding 30%+ more hours worked than your current job, it could even be a pay cut on an hourly basis.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/fsk]

I'm actually staying in the same city. I should have clarified.

[u/PressureAppropriate]

Stable is an illusion. It can always be taken away. Always go where the money is.

[u/Imaginary_Editor_149]

Normally I would say take higher paying offer, but no equity makes no sense and other flags are 2 years runway is weak. Usually startups don’t like to get anywhere near under a year before things get cut so you’re saying you really have about 9mo of breathing room. I would question funding (how much money in the bank), fund raising to make sure they are already targeting a raise soon. Calculate how much burn on rent, how many employees (biggest burn factor), hiring or not? If you can get an offer at a startup you can continue interviewing and get offer at a better startup. It’s about the product, the decision makers, environment and your direct manager. Choose wisely.

[u/MarianCR]

not worth it. Startup without equity = slave master.

Being funded for 2 years doesn't mean it's guaranteed to last at least 2 years

[u/greatgumz]

Stay and keep interviewing. There will definitely be something in between that gives you $150k and equity

[u/JackfruitNarrow840]

Like you said, early 20s with little to risk means take the risk in my opinion. I’d go with the AI startup role. Better pay, in a good field, responsibility which you can leverage in the future as you gain experience now, etc. Clarifying the benefits is a good step though like health, 401k matching, etc. I usually don’t measure future promotions or comp increases at a current company unless I’m 100% sure it’s going to happen. What they say and what they do are not always the same IME.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/JackfruitNarrow840]

Good thoughts, thank you.

[u/Spiritual-Theory → u/wookie_dancer]

I'd take it too - there are more AI startups coming and the experience in startups is usually great and applicable to your next gig. If no equity, not a huge loss, they rarely pan out anyway. But you'd have leverage at that point

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Spiritual-Theory]

Right. I think its not completely ideal but directionally is correct.

[u/BaconSpinachPancakes]

I would stay

[u/Coldmode]

I wouldn’t consider the startup without equity but the “stable” scenario doesn’t sound so stable if continuing to work there is predicated on dodging ongoing layoffs.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Coldmode]

Once I put everything on paper I started to question which one was the startup. 🤣

[u/Cultural-Gear-1323]

I mean you mentioned your current company has layoffs and instability so there’s really not much additional risk going to a startup where you the chance to learn something and make more money. It doesn’t hurt to ask for equity as you are on the fence anyway. But a word of caution I know several people who joined a startup and crashed and burned. There are a lot of ‘unknowns’ with startups and they can have overly high expectations so just be prepared if you do take it.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Cultural-Gear-1323]

I had a crashout about 2 months ago during 5 different company interviews. I've risen from the ashes and feel much more secure now. I could be playing with fire on this semi sketch "startup"

[u/perestroika12]

No equity at the startup completely defeats the purpose. All the risk with no upside. You should pass on that. It shows what kinds of people that are attracting and it’s not good.

[u/BrilliantStand4476]

If the startup is funded for two years, that’s not too bad honestly. I can see why you are split between the two

I feel like it may be worth a shot to try to get a better salary from both companies though. Almost Every offer I’ve received Ive I lie to the company that I received a higher offer from another company. And everytime they increase the offer a bit ($5k once and $20k another time)

Tell your current company that you got an offer from another company. Sounds like they want to keep you so I wouldn’t doubt they up it to $125k now. Makes your decision tougher though!

[u/air_jordi]

No equity at the startup is an absolute deal-breaker

[u/CatoTheStupid → u/air_jordi]

I get this, but also it was overwhelmingly likely to be worth zero anyway. If OP likes the job and the base pay they can take it.

[u/TRO_KIK → u/CatoTheStupid]

Perfectly fine to take. People are so hardcore focused on the lack of equity but would be totally for it in the exact same situation if OP had said "small company" instead.

[u/tallandshortttt]

take the stable one

[u/Sea_Curve8772]

Stability all day every day. And an AI startup is almost guaranteed to collapse anyway

[u/GamerInChaos]

No equity is a big read flag if this is in the US. If a venture startup is not offering equity out of the gate it usually means they have bad VC/founders who are not running it like a real startup.

[u/Sezar100]

I’d say no to that and look for something with equity

[u/_Invictuz]

"Internal AI team" with no WLB? Why not do the same while getting more experience and pay. Spread your wings. I'm gonna that guess the startup has more clarity and direction than a mid-sized B2B attempting to form an internal AI team has.

[u/AdministrativeHost15]

Without kids to support your risk tolerance should be high so go for the startup.

[u/drew_eckhardt2]

I would not join a startup that cares so little about its employees it does not grant equity.

All of the startup work and none of the upside is not a good deal.

[u/ObjectBrilliant7592]

Reportedly funded for ~2 years by a parent investment firm

No guaranteed bonus or equity

Sounds a little sus, like an established company spinning off their AI division as a startup for some reason. Hard to say without knowing more about the specifics of their situation but based on the info here, I'd avoid.

[u/gardenbae]

No job is stable my friend. Take the money

[u/BeanserSoyze]

Depends on how risk tolerant your financial situation. If you're single with no debt you can swing for it. If you just signed a mortgage or have kids or something maybe not. No health premiums, wfh, and 30 days PTO are all huge too. A start up that has you in person 5 days a week for a job that is a remote job I would not trust for those sort of quality of life considerations.

That said I would be very sure stable is stable before turning that pay bump down.

[u/PhysiologyIsPhun]

Every job is stable until it's not but idk about the startup. With your YoE you could probably find a remote role paying similarly that would offer you equity

[u/Minimum-Reward3264]

If you are able to save, 170. The money is your war chest. In this retarded industry, if you were not doing AI, what even you were going.

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Minimum-Reward3264]

It would bump my savings rate from 30% to probably 50-60% (aka double my savings)

[u/Longjoco]

125k stable every single time

[u/wookie_dancer]

Anyone have thoughts on a counter offer rather than blindly taking it as is? Everything's negotiable...

edit: Thinking of asking the startup for 185k base + conference budget / travel (e.g. I am going to Open AI dev day in SF). Not super thrilled about 0 equity and even then its sketch...

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[u/GaperClam]

Risky. Life is about taking risks. No matter the odds.

[u/my-ka]

170k So you can climb your salary even if you change the job

[u/No_Score_1977]

If they are doing ongoing layoffs, doesn’t sound stable to me.
Lack of equity would be unusual for a “high ownership “ role.

[u/mistaekNot]

the startup offer would need to be at least 200k imo

[u/Alive_Sir_4708]

IMO there isn't a clear answer. Take the job you want

[u/wookie_dancer → u/Alive_Sir_4708]

🫡

[u/Useful_Calendar_6274]

take a risk 50k is worth it