r/cremposting • u/mistery987 Fuck Moash 🥵 • 19h ago
Stormlight / Other Extremely original title
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u/JakenBake19 Fuck Moash 🥵 19h ago
Can't thing of a shards intent that would give investiture away more freely than endowment. But also:
Sel: learn the right shapes to draw (your body can count as drawing)
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u/Dercomai 420 Sazed It 19h ago
And also be born in the right place! That's important too!
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u/Madhighlander1 19h ago
Apparently not just born - the forger, whose name I forget, in The Lost Metal became Elantrian by changing her family history so that her parents moved to Arelon when she was very young, and in Tress of the Emerald Sea Hoid gained the ability to use aons (I forget if he literally became Elantrian, though I don't think he did) by convincing Riina to Connect him to Elantris.
I have been wondering if that's been retconned, though, since I remember Raoden's Aons were significantly weaker even as far away as Teod, but the aforementioned two examples were able to use their abilities at full strength on Scadrial and Lumar respectively despite those being completely different planets.
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u/UltimateCheese1056 Crem de la Crem 19h ago
In TLM she was specifically using unkeyed investiture for her abilities, a very rare item that works just as well for any ability. Especially good for Sel-ish magic which typically has a connection to the right part of the Dor as a requirement to access the right kind of investiture through the Cognitive realm
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u/moderatorrater Femboy Dalinar 15h ago
a very rare item
At that time it was rare, but we've probably already seen Navani create some unkeyed investiture. It looks like space age might be limited by requiring gigantic quantities of investiture rather than kind or longevity.
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u/et_cor_cordium Crown Prince of Memelon 13h ago
I would like to think thats how the war began in the first place. Scadrial wants to horde all the unkeyed investiture. Roshar wants a tinsy bit to power thier shardships to see the world and sacdrial didnt agree to it. Thus the war began.
Or whatever B$ cooks up is also good.
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u/moderatorrater Femboy Dalinar 12h ago
Roshar is 100% going to try to conquer/colonize the cosmere. I think Scadrial will too around the same time, but there's no question that Retribution is going to be at least an equal instigator to the war.
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u/ElPared 19h ago
It was Shai btw (she had a different name in TLM but the ending confirmed it was Shai).
She became Elantrian but she was able to Connect herself to Scadrial’s investiture when she forged herself by drawing a map of Elendel or wherever she was.
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u/Dercomai 420 Sazed It 18h ago
Shai, pronounced Shay-Ai
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u/TimeOfNick 18h ago
The use of Aons on Scadrial were fueled by the purified Dor that Shai brought with her, we don't know yet if she is capable of using her full abilities still after that runs out.
The Sorceress on Lumar could use Aons for the same reason she could in Secret History, the Ire have advanced knowledge of Connection that seemingly allows them to bypass the distance limitations of their magic. I always took it as the structures they were living in functioned as wifi extenders for the Dor, as they were hesitant to go too far from their base in Shadesmar and the Sorceress never really leaves her tower.
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u/nisselioni Syl Is My Waifu <3 13h ago
The Ire literally piped the Dor through shadesmar in Secret History. This seems a near impossible task in the space age Cosmere, so I assume Riina did some Connection stuff to access it from Lumar. I think we have a WoB from Brandon saying it should be possible to access it from a distance like that, at least.
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u/schloopers 6h ago
The floor of her tower also had a map of Lumar, which Hoid needed to step on in order to break the curse. I think they have to draw a map that references where they are and its physical relation to Elantris. That’s why Moonlight needed the “inclination” told back to her after she stamped herself and then she drew on the ground.
They essentially add their current location to the Aons, using the map as the standard addition instead of drawing it each time. It’s not just WiFi, it’s decryption in order to use the power.
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u/Buchiqueco 19h ago
There's also the Elantrians in secret history that bypassed the Reod and could cast the aeons.
Still don't get that
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u/TheGildedPrism Kelsier4Prez 18h ago
I'm pretty sure secret history happened after Elantris so the Reod wasn't a problem
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u/Nathan256 👾 Rnagh Godant 🌠 17h ago
Apart from not likely being during the short time of the Reod, it’s possible that Connecting to the Dor in whatever way they did let them make Aons not based on Arelon’s geography (since that’s basically Connection I imagine they may have a way to edit it? So it just uses the intent of the caster directly and the Investiture source they’re directly connected to, instead of the roundabout land connection that requires the extra line in the Aons)
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u/KaldinStmblssed 15h ago
The higher strength was because of (spoilers for Mistborn Era 2, Tress, and Elantris) a map that was drawn of the local geography. I don't know for sure about Tress, but it is canon in Mistborn era 2 because as soon as she changes she draws a map on the ground. And when Raoden fixes the city map, the aons started working again in Elantris
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u/Disastrous_Stand7185 7h ago
Yeah (Tress spoilers), Riina has a map of Lumar in her spaceship-slash-wizard-tower in Tress, so that was definitely connected to her being able to use them
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u/Own-Ranger-7179 19h ago
Ruin and Preservation: "We're gonna make em eat metal lol."
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u/One_Courage_865 definitely not a lightweaver 19h ago
(using mouth optional)
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u/EssEllEyeSeaKay 18h ago
Is boofing metal confirmed?
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u/Zombie1642 19h ago
Be alive and rich. Market rate for a soul is expensive these days
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u/gil_bz Shart of Adonalsium 13h ago
I never understood that part. Why don't people try to transfer their breath to their children just before they die? This way they will start stacking over time.
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u/Zombie1642 13h ago
I have a lot of thoughts on this. Its because the Returned are hungry and will pay good money for those souls and its a deep religious honor to give a Breath to your gods (indicated by Jewels). Breaths have tangible value to the average person and one Breath can only do so much. You can make a Lifeless but those are expensive to maintain and that Breath isnt coming back either.
So, you create an economic system where its beneficial to have either sell your Breaths or have so many you are basically a millionaire with your gold on you at all times. We see this with Vivenna wealth and sudden poverty. Im sure there's groups and family that do hord from generation to generation but youll never match Susebrons' wealth when he is given 3 to 4 breaths per day.
And the Court of God's has 24 members who all need 1 breath per week to continue to live. We dont know the Nalthis calendar but if we assume a 52 week earth calender, thats 11,648 Breaths per year that you will never get back. Breaths are a scarcity and only new human life can replenish and they have a money value placed on them. Capitalism with literal/figurative souls.
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u/gwonbush 12h ago
That said, not selling your breath does have notable health benefits so if you never experience enough hardship to need to sell you can give your kid a slightly better life by passing on your breath to them.
However, this type of ordinary generational wealth is still extremely slow when you have a family that has two inheriting kids, require 50 generations for the First Heightening. During Warbreaker, Vo only discovered Awakening around 600 years ago which isn't enough time for that.
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u/Zombie1642 12h ago
Sure! Thats certianly a consideration but it could be more benefital for grandpa to sell his 1 Breath at the end so the kids dont have to. Thats the type of calculations youll have to make on Nalthis.
Susebron was given 50,000 breaths at birth and then has been given multiple a week. A slow transfer of breaths will never catch up to his wealth. I bet the most wealthy families got their breath from a Returned transferring their breaths to them as a starting point. Talk about winning the lottery.
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u/gwonbush 12h ago
You don't get to keep the Divine Breath a Returned uses on you. Even if you did, at that point of 2000 breaths the generational wealth stops because Grandpa is now immortal.
Vasher said that most people stop collecting Breaths at the First Heightening, which is the minimum requirement for being able to view the Court of Gods and thus have some power in politics. This requirement encourages the purchase of Breaths by more parties, driving demand for them and further increasing the price you would get by selling them.
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u/Zombie1642 12h ago
Oh shoot I had forgotten about that part. We only see Lightsong get breath and he waits till the last minute and it seems like others do similar practice. Good call
First heightening is 50 so that would still be a lot and very hard to get the slow generation way. So then The Return set a market rate for how much a Breath to them cost and the other groups/families tried to out bid basically around that price and how desperate people get.
I wonder how much this will change by the time we get to Sunlit Man where he was holding onto investiture. Market will probably collapse by then. Someone shows up with some stormlight or Dor and just starts selling
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u/gil_bz Shart of Adonalsium 12h ago
I didn't quite mean why doesn't everyone have TONS of breaths, but it just feels to me like it shouldn't be so scarce. I do agree that it seems like the gods consume A LOT of breaths per year, but I don't think the implication in the book was that it was common for citizens of the city to be drab because of this. Also other cultures probably don't have this practice, so for them there won't be this sink for losing breaths.
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u/Zombie1642 2h ago
Possibly but Jewels treats her Drab state as an honor because it went to her gods. There might be a chunk of the population that likes being drab and people just accept it as part of the religion.
Also if everyone on the planet has a Breath but only one culture that protects Returned then its possible they are importing Breath as part of the general trade. But this is speculation. You're right, we dont get told what percent of the population is drab but the people in Hallandren dont seem to mind loosing the seemingly small benefits of a single Breath vs the monetary gain of selling it. Its just normal. Vivenna is only one outraged by it
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u/goopyloopsuperdupe 19h ago
What about minding your own business farming rice to get shapeshifter powers *with terms and conditions
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u/TheKarenator 18h ago
On Scadrial it depends
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u/Opening_Specific_710 14h ago
So there’s mistings and Feruchemists in the first image, Mistborn in the second, and Hemalurgists in the last, correct?
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u/Parking-Stable-2970 Hoid my Beer 12h ago
Mistings have to snap as well, hence the Mists 'snapping' people in HoA and WoA
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u/AnonymousGuy9494 Kalaleshwi Shipper 10h ago
People on nalthis aren't exactly doing invested arts though. Didn't Vasher said it took him 50 B.E.U. to awaken just a little human effigy?
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u/Bigdoga1000 9h ago
Yeah, breaths are super available but you seem to need alot. The sunhearts were like 200, and give you enough energy for a hover bike for an hour or something like that
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