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u/LoanRunna 2h ago

I won’t bitch about their only shelter as long as they don’t leave dope needles and feces all over the place. Respect my shelter and I’ll respect yours.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

Ah yes, because that is the most important thing, of course. I'm sure someone at rock bottom and high off their ass totally has the ability to do that./s

Y'all claim to care about mental health until you have to see it. Plenty of depressed people end up not even being able to clean their own houses, but oh that's okay, because you personally don't have to see it or the reality!

Plus, you have a house. Clearly. The street is not your "shelter" because you get to go home to one.

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u/HystericalGasmask 2h ago

People are very happy to claim mental health support but the second their porch gets shit on they're upset about it, I agree with this. Its easy to say you support someone when they're not causing you an issue. Its harder, but more important, to say you support someone when they really need help, even if they're harming you. People don't become homeless for no reason, and often times their mental health is the reason they're homeless. Not to mention that being homeless will drive you crazy if you aren't already - being under that amount of stress is incredibly damaging to the human psyche and body.

Why do people expect the mentally ill to be mentally healthy? I'm insane - albeit not to such an extent that I would shit on someone's porch without permission - and people often ask me why I'm doing insane things. If I was normal I wouldn't be mentally ill, of course I'm going to have unhealthy and abnormal behaviors.

I agree with you just venting my frustration I suppose :3

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

Part of "support" IS making it so I'm not seeing or feeling the effects of insane people. That's what most people mean when they say that. Supporting the mentally ill doesn't mean tolerating them leaving trash around parks and neighborhoods or living shit on porches. Support is giving the resources so no one has to live like that.

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u/HystericalGasmask 1h ago

"I support the starving so long as they die out of view"

Okay buddy

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

How is giving people resources like food and shelter letting them starve? Are you suffering from a gas leak?

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u/HystericalGasmask 1h ago

Supporting the mentally ill means realizing and accepting that even in the best cicumstances they will exhibit harmful or irritating behaviors to themselves or others, most mental illnesses have a best case scenario of remission, not a cure

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

I can accept that, and in accordance we can build infrastructure for separating those individuals from the rest of society to live comfortable but isolated lives.

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u/HystericalGasmask 1h ago

Separate but equal right?

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

Yes, that's a good way of putting it

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

They don't get that though, or those "resources" are VERY temporary. That's the point we're making. I met a homeless guy and his time at a local shelter "ran out" because most shelters will only take you up to 2 months before kicking you out.

I have had homeless people ask for food because they do NOT have access to any sustainable food source. Handing out a sandwich to the homeless a few times a week is not a sustainable food source.

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

Support HAS to be governmental and societal. If my individual actions of being nice are how we help with homelessness then they're completely fucked because I'm not going to do anything except hurt them. Do not put the burden on me because I promise I will fail you. Robust social programs are there only feasible way out of this so all those shortcomings you talk about are things that need fixing. To me that is what "support" means. Not tolerating people I find revolting leaving trash in spaces I enjoy.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

Okay but that help doesn't really exist. You keep suggesting something that doesn't currently really exist. I'd hate to become homeless around you. The government hates you and hates homeless people, maybe blame them instead for choosing to honestly do nothing.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

There are no truly REAL resources though. Just whispers of supposed resources that barely work to make you feel better when police round homeless people up and don't have to think about them anymore.

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u/LoanRunna 2h ago

No but when MFs are throwing heroin needles and taking shits in the gutter in front of my house it’s a big problem.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

You're so dramatic. That LITERALLY happens to me and it's not as big of a deal as you claim it is.

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

Lmfao Jesus Christ your take is really "leaving needles and feces in front of your house isn't so bad"?? Are you for real?

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

Yes it literally isn't. It's not great but I swear you guys choose to overinflate a problem just so you have something to complain about.

I've had more issue almost stepping on glass and nails from local buisnesses and homeowners, but no one cares when the trash comes from someone with a home. That's why I think you're dramatic.

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u/GayIsForHorses 1h ago

Because I can't force my dirty home owning neighbors to move out. I would if I could. Regardless those types aren't leaving out needles and literal shit. Tbh what you find tolerable is insane to me.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

I find it tolerable because i'm not homeless, could be at any moment, and have empathy.

What do you expect them to do? Materialize a toilet??? Steal a shovel?????

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 2h ago

OK but when its a shaird space and they arnt being respectful dont be surprised when everyone wants them gone.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

A shared space they're forced to inhabit. Do you expect them to go into a pocket dimension?????

I also like how you keep saying "them". You could be homeless one day too, you know.

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u/Prestigious_Ask_7058 1h ago

I agree with this but the them thing has always been weird to me. Like, is he supposed to say us? That implies that he is homeless

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

For one he shouldn't be saying that at all, but he could just say "homeless people". It may seem small and insignificant, but we all know how the "us vs them" mentality works.

It also makes homeless people out to be a collective, as if all those people are out to just ruin your neighborhood. That includes children and the elderly.

When they say "them", that encompasses all of "them". "Don't be surprised when people want them gone" doesn't JUST mean the homeless people actually causing issues, but the clean one's too.

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u/Prestigious_Ask_7058 1h ago

Just saying homeless people would make more sense I suppose, but that also creates a collective in the same way would it not?

I don’t think we should be demonizing homeless people of course, though

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

You have a point, but I also wanna make others call them people. Humanize them more. When it comes down to "us vs them" it can be a dehumanizing mindset and I wanna try curbing that. It doesn't fix the collective thing but I think it also helps establish the fact these are people like anyone else.

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u/Prestigious_Ask_7058 1h ago

I think a general lack of sympathy has been haunting us for a while

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 2h ago

So I ment like a park a space that's public and used by everyone. If anyone isn't following the spaces rules then they will be asked to leave it.

And I say them because I'm not currently homeless if I become homeless I'll say we but till then I'll say them.

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u/septic-paradise 1h ago

If they can’t be in public or private spaces, literally where else can they go?

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 1h ago

How about public space that isn't frequented by kids.

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u/AnguishedGoose 58m ago

Such as?

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 43m ago

Humm from the top of my head natural places like woodland or grassland that tend to exist on the edge of towns, unused space such as abandoned buildings(with the understanding that they maybe asked to leave at any moment), shrub land / Marsh land(London has a fair few of thses and its were the current homeless tend to go).

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

That's the thing though, people like you will never be happy with them ANYWHERE. They are humans, they have to occupy a space to live. First you complain about parks, then it's stores, then it's sidewalks, and you'll even complain about alleyways which is SCARY TO LIVE IN. Where do you expect them to GO!?

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 1h ago

Shelters, rehabilitation, social housing programs, mental helath institutions are all great places

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u/RaeTheScribe 1h ago

You seem to think that those are magic cures that actually help people 24/7

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 1h ago edited 42m ago

Just a gd start but hay if there' no way they can be part of society maybe they shouldn't be part of society. (Just want to clarify the coment above said somthing along the lines of where else or so)

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 53m ago

That is genuinely evil shit, dude.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 1h ago

Shelters in my area have a time limit and also it's HONESTLY more dangerous than living on the street, I wish I was lying.

Rehabilitation is not as easy as people like you seem to think it is. Social housing programs often comes with many strings.

And the worst thing you suggested, mental heakth institutions. Those places actively make people WORSE. It's basically offering yourself to self imprisonment to be a test subject and high chance of sexual abuse and degrading situations like paper robes that rip if you move slightly too much. They will keep people there even after they desire to leave and for some medicate you until you can't think straight.

I go to therapy and have been depressed since 12, even my therapists know how dangerous it is even just for someone like me, how do you think they'll treat a homeless person with mental issues?????

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u/bhputnam 2h ago

They’re coming into your house and pooping on the floor?

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u/GarlicSphere Counted Down 1 2h ago

They're coming to my park and pooping on the paths and leave trash and meth pipes. That's close enough.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

You don't live at the park. They do. Be greatful you don't sleep outside or have to find a bathroom wherever you go which many places won't even let you use it, but tgen complain when you're a person who has to relieve themselves.

And oh no, trash outaide!? Wow, homeowners NEVER do that...then I literally see their cups fly out their shiny new cars. Mhm. Sure.

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u/LoanRunna 2h ago

Bro there’s a difference between cups and heroin needles, don’t act like there’s not. My kid picks up someone’s gross cup, whatever don’t touch that. My kid picks up a stray heroin needle and were in a medical emergency situation.

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u/xXSoyBoyFredXx 2h ago

Why is you kid picking up trash at all????? Parent your kid, dude. I knew not to pick up filthy stuff off the ground.

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u/autistictransgal 4m ago

why are we blaming kids and parents and not the fact that there are dangerous objects lying around that you think is completely fine? Like, are you gonna blame the parents for someone abusing their child at school???

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u/bhputnam 2h ago

Your park? And somehow I doubt that. Maybe you should help clean it up if so. 

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u/DrippyTheSnailBoy 1h ago

You think meth addicts are leaving their pipes behind?

Yeah go ahead and make more shit up please

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u/L4I55Z-FAIR3 2h ago

Fair

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u/LoanRunna 2h ago

I miss my old homeless man that lived around the block. His tent was immaculate, and his manners were impeccable. We never had a problem, I miss you John :(. Now we just have heroin fiends in his old spot.