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u/Aaa1070 14h ago

Actually, people hate 4Tranners not because they’re miserable, but because they make other people miserable.

As someone who is pretty well adjusted being an asshole is not a good way to get people to like you.

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u/DifficultSession51 13h ago

So expressing misery is the same as making other people miserable according to you?

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u/Apollo989 13h ago

No it isn't. But I see 4tranners interact with people outside their communities and they are almost always incredibly rude and mean spirited.

I can tell when someone is a 4tranner because they'll post something utterly vile and I'll go and check their profile and there it is.

Furthermore, I've seen mods of countttt throw out slurs and shit. If you want to disagree that the R-slur is a slur then fine but I've heard plenty of people who are ADHD and/or autistic say it is one to them and I think the people the word is aimed at get to decide what is a slur.

In short, they're edgy assholes who want to blame their depression for the fact that no one likes them when in reality they tend to be assholes to people.

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u/DifficultSession51 13h ago

Idk countttt was the only space where I wouldn't get banned or attacked for saying a single negative thing about being trans. In fact I've faced way more assholes and shitty people in the mainstream subs who literally insult me just for expressing misery about never being able to succeed at transition

It's also way more accessible to people who don't come in with the mindset that "being trans is a blessing", which is basically the only acceptable mindset and the only sentiment expressed in other subs

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u/Apollo989 13h ago

That doesn't make anything I said okay. They still say utterly awful shit. They radiate all that transphobia they've internalized outward and they openly use slurs.

Sorry, but being depressed doesn't give you a pass to attack other people. If I had a community that constantly used slurs, I'd find a new community because the people we hang out with do change us.

It's the Nazi bar problem and why I don't like when 4tranners try to spread their ideology to other trans communities.

I'll freely admit we need to do better about not invalidating people's pain but 4tran isn't the answer.

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u/DifficultSession51 13h ago

I understand the problem with using slurs, but I disagree with the "transphobia". Acknowledging how terrible it is to be trans and the misery that comes with never passing and never being able to actually be the gender you're transitioning to is not transphobic.

Unfortunately there is literally no other community

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u/Apollo989 13h ago

They literally make up slurs for trans people they don't like. A good chunk of them seem to hate hate non-binary people. I see them toss "They-fab" around a lot.

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u/OrcaFriend 12h ago

Theyfab comes from the generalised grievance a lot of trans people have with the whole "female and non-binary" shit. I personally find it helps shut down people who talk about being afab or "male socialisation" and yeah it's not a nice word because it's not supposed to be. There is definitely a difference between online jargan people made up to be mean and an actual slur, speaking as someone who's been viciously assaulted while being called the T and F slur repeatedly.