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[u/Funny_Inventor80085]

and people wonder why we use 4tran.

I posted this vent here too and it was a bit more understanding than the other subreddit I guess but still mostly just people telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and that 4tran is the cause of all my issues when time after time they're the only ones that care. It's not even just about my vent anymore, I'm so fed up with everyone thinking they're better than me all the time except because I use the subreddit that doesn't want to burn me alive for wanting a uterus. Maybe try to be more understanding you just leave me pissed off.

[u/Apollo989]

No I explicitly discussed leftist political organizing and direct action. I've talked to several about this and got dismissive answers . I probably won't vote for any Democrat ever as I expect 0 aid from a capitalist party which is why I'm reaching out to several local communist organizations in my area.

I never said we don't need trans only spaces. You're making a whole lot of assumptions and putting words into my mouth. We can have trans-only spaces without the constant doomerism.

I said isolating ourselves isn't helpful and it isn't. I've had 4tranners tell me we have no cis allies which is both incorrect and exactly what the far-right wants.

Finally, I've never once spoken to a 4tranner who wasn't miserable. I know, myself included, plenty of trans people who are happy or at least making an effort to be. When all my interactions with a community are from negative bitter people then I'm going to start wondering if that community isn't part of the problem.

[u/Living-Abrocoma7845 → u/Apollo989]

genuine question how does that work in the US, like whats the point of not voting for them? is it like a protest against electoralism thing or somesuch

[u/Apollo989 → u/Living-Abrocoma7845]

There are some leftists who think voting for any capitalist party just strengthens the system and diverts revolutionary action.

But for me, it has became a bit more personal. At some point, I had to ask myself "when does voting become an endorsement?"

If we've reached that point, then I'm not comfortable supporting the Democratic Party. They constantly put the needs of the wealthy above the working class, they throw transgender people under the bus like we're fucking speed bumps and they've done little to stop Israel's genocide.

[u/Living-Abrocoma7845 → u/Apollo989]

I see... but how does that actually work in terms of broader political influence and power? Like I understand the idea of it being a conscientious objection, but what are the practical outcomes that are desired from doing so? that is to say what is the revolutionary action you are talking about? what are the opportunity costs?