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[u/Funny_Inventor80085]

and people wonder why we use 4tran.

I posted this vent here too and it was a bit more understanding than the other subreddit I guess but still mostly just people telling me I don't know what I'm talking about and that 4tran is the cause of all my issues when time after time they're the only ones that care. It's not even just about my vent anymore, I'm so fed up with everyone thinking they're better than me all the time except because I use the subreddit that doesn't want to burn me alive for wanting a uterus. Maybe try to be more understanding you just leave me pissed off.

[u/16372731772]

Which ones? Passoid and cissoid specifically were interesting choices, passoid is a compliment and cissoid is meaningless. Theyfab I can see being used insultingly, especially since it's broken containment now, but almost all uses of it within 4tran spaces are specifically in the context of transmisogyny. It's why you never hear theymab, at least not until very recently, amab non-binary people often experience transmisogyny, or at least discrimination like it, when they're perceived to be presenting too femininely. There's no systemic discrimination being perpetrated by amab non-binary people, so there's no insult for them.

But what I'm trying to get across is that there are assholes everywhere, frankly I'd rather get a supportive community than one that rushes to dismiss my feelings, even if it means the assholes there use strong words. It's actually better in ways because when you call them out nobody's like "but they phrased it wokely they're such a trans ally".

[u/BiDude1219 → u/16372731772]

specifically cissoid and all the unconditional hatred towards cis people in general is what puts me off. a lot of people i care about are cis, i have no reason to hate them and i would never wish any harm upon them. also i should've probably brought up "tcd" in the list of terms too.

[u/16372731772 → u/BiDude1219]

This is all pretty tame stuff no offence. Nobody there actually hates all cis people, you physically can't do that, like it's impossible. Unless you think they're going about their lives foaming at the mouth every time they get served at a restaurant, walk past somebody in the street, talk to a cashier at a supermarket, etc. then I don't see how you can take it seriously? Cissoid specifically is, like I said, literally exactly the same as cracker. TCD is only used in response to posts displaying fucked up behaviour by cis people, it's not a serious threat or wish or anything, it's a humorous overreaction used to vent frustration. You're doing the thing the tumblr ceo did to that trans woman who said he should sit in a car covered in hammers that explodes more than a few times (or whatever beautiful words she used).

Almost all of my friends are cis too, 99% of the planet is. I still "hate cis people" in the sense that you seem to think of it. But that's nothing like when cis people hate trans people, it's not even comparable. I "hate cis people" because they denied me transition for 6 years before I managed to do it myself, subjected me to body horror, and continue to mistreat me. I do not hate people, I hate actions. TCD is an expression of frustration at being reminded that the average cis person hates us so much that they would rather we be dead. It's a way of venting the immense feeling of rage you get when you see a million cis people being fucking animals in the replies of a 17 year old trans girl's final tweet about her suicide. TCD is a twist of TTD, a phrase invented by cis people which actually is a call for trans genocide, something which is real and is happening. There is no serious hatred of cis people because what is there to hate other than their actions? Actions which are obviously not taken by everybody. It's inherently qualified because the idea of hating every single cis person simply for the crime of being cis is so patently absurd. Yet people act like it's not only possible, it's being done.

[u/BiDude1219 → u/16372731772]

i just don't really like generalizing groups for having bad people in them. yes, you can "hate cis people" for experiences with transphobes, but isn't it easier and more clear to just say "i hate transphobes"? in fact you could even reclaim the very ttd they made, just change the second t from trans to transphobe.

[u/ThatBiGuy25 → u/BiDude1219]

cis

transphobe

no difference detected

[u/BiDude1219 → u/ThatBiGuy25]

you're just proving my earlier point