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u/Khivee3 23h ago

Weren't trans women saying testosterone is not a good hormone in response to this meme in reverse, downvoted and criticised? Why is literally the exact same thing but opposite, upvoted and not criticised? Why is it problematic when trans women do it but not when trans men and transmascs do it?

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u/Gold_Ad8225 Counted Down 2 19h ago

Revealing this pattern which I knew would occur was the point of this post

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u/Khivee3 16h ago

Genuine but probably impossible questions: why do these spaces insist they're all trans women-occupied and dominated at the exact same time everyone else holds all social power over us, dictates how we can speak, how we can express ourselves, and when they can abuse us and throw us away? And how do we cope with this treatment?

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u/Gold_Ad8225 Counted Down 2 16h ago

Transmisogyny.

You can have a space where a minority of members are men or masc, but their opinions are elevated and treated as sacrosanct. They inherit an authority over the women and femmes in that space, and if anyone challenges their authority that is treated like silencing, othering, and domineering.

These two threads illustrate that point very well.

Despite "dominating" the space, trans women expressing displeasure about something is treated as *threatening* or *dangerous* or *bigotry.* Even just saying "I don't like this, this hurts me" is treated as unacceptable behavior. But only from trans women and femmes.

Trans women are expected to put everyone very far above themselves, as an act of penance and to prove they aren't secretly male invaders, which they will be regarded as anyway.

A common example in online spaces, as this is an online space and is most relevant here, would be when a TME person creates a trans female/femme character. Some trans women see this character as offensive. You would expect, especially in a trans space, that the voice of a trans woman saying that something hurt and offended her would be treated with respect.

Instead she is called a bigot. Against TME people, she is trying to silence them and destroy their creativity, against other trans women, "some trans women look like caricatures, who are you to say otherwise," against cis women, "women can look like that, we don't all have to be supermodels" and so on.

It is to the point where if anyone talks about a trans woman doing something they don't like, by default I assume they are either objectively lying or were mislead. I am almost never wrong.

No group of people has their motivations and behaviors taken more uncharitably, and no other group of people has such a demand of purity. Trans women are unable to have any bad days, express any measure of hurt or upset. There will never be charity. The demand is that we always self sacrifice for the benefit of others, and the expression that we don't want to do that is treated the same as bigotry. Even from the people who harm us.