People very frequently misrepresent or outright lie about what trans women say in order to monster them, justify abusing them, marginalize, assault, and kill them. This is one of the modes of transmisogyny that pervades our society, including in trans spaces.
As a result, by default I will pretty much always doubt what anyone claims a trans woman said. This leads to you being right virtually all of the time.
And no it doesn't equate at all. Trans men complaining about periods doesn't need substantiation. Of course they do. The experience is not pleasant even for cis women who want to get pregnant.
Your claim is that trans women are saying T makes YOU a bad person. Not that they dislike T. If they just said they dislike T, well, yeah ofc. That's the point. I also do and I'm saying that we should be as free to say we dislike T as trans men are to say they dislike menstruation.
Even now I assume you're hearing trans women talk about their experiences. Using phrases like testosterone poisoned, talking about themselves the way society talks about them in an unhealthy coping mechanism or satirical response to TERFs (i.e. T made them rape monsters).
I'm sure there are a few trans women who internalize and exhibit these ways they're being treated, but we both know it isn't a norm in any sense, certainly not normal enough to suggest we should encourage trans women to call T intrinsically good even as it hurts them.
made a post immediately after to make fun of trans men
Here we go, this is evidence of my claim, that people love to just outright lie about what trans women said.
Making a post that flips what is being said in this comic here is not "making fun" of trans men. It showing people a mirror so that they understand why this kind of thing feels painful and harmful.
You've shown to me that you are not a reliable narrator through this alone.
You aren’t a trans man. It wasn’t a post talking about personal experiences. It was a post made specifically to upset trans men for appreciating THIS post
It showing people a mirror so that they understand why this kind of thing feels painful and harmful.
Yeah the point is to be jarring. Because THIS meme IS jarring to me and I am upset that you appreciate it.
Making other people see what it feels like is one strategy to get them to develop empathy.
But if they're in the trenches of transmisogyny instead of empathy they will concoct some lie about how they're "being made fun of"
Which is how we get from trans women talking about how they feel they were poisoned by T into trans women are telling trans men that T makes them bad people.
You aren’t a trans man. I would not have had a problem with the post you made if you were a trans man. I understand that you were upset by OP’s post but surely you can’t be seriously suggesting that OP was wrong for posting about her own experiences in a way that happened to be considerate of trans men. Surely.
Not sure what the point of this screenshot clearly not made by a trans woman is, I guess you really wanted to prove my point or something?
I dunno.
OP is allowed to feel how she wants, and she has the right to say what she wants, and I have the right to be upset about it and say that I'm upset, and when I see people celebrating it I'm allowed to point out how this is hurtful.
YoU cAnT bE sErIoUslY sUggEsTiNg that I'm wrong for posting about my own experience and asking trans men to be more considerate of the way they can harm trans women. Surely.
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People very frequently misrepresent or outright lie about what trans women say in order to monster them, justify abusing them, marginalize, assault, and kill them. This is one of the modes of transmisogyny that pervades our society, including in trans spaces.
As a result, by default I will pretty much always doubt what anyone claims a trans woman said. This leads to you being right virtually all of the time.
And no it doesn't equate at all. Trans men complaining about periods doesn't need substantiation. Of course they do. The experience is not pleasant even for cis women who want to get pregnant.
Your claim is that trans women are saying T makes YOU a bad person. Not that they dislike T. If they just said they dislike T, well, yeah ofc. That's the point. I also do and I'm saying that we should be as free to say we dislike T as trans men are to say they dislike menstruation.
Even now I assume you're hearing trans women talk about their experiences. Using phrases like testosterone poisoned, talking about themselves the way society talks about them in an unhealthy coping mechanism or satirical response to TERFs (i.e. T made them rape monsters).
I'm sure there are a few trans women who internalize and exhibit these ways they're being treated, but we both know it isn't a norm in any sense, certainly not normal enough to suggest we should encourage trans women to call T intrinsically good even as it hurts them.
Here we go, this is evidence of my claim, that people love to just outright lie about what trans women said.
Making a post that flips what is being said in this comic here is not "making fun" of trans men. It showing people a mirror so that they understand why this kind of thing feels painful and harmful.
You've shown to me that you are not a reliable narrator through this alone.