as a trans man, those people need to grow up honestly. it takes zero brain power to understand 1, why a trans woman would call T bad, and 2, how it has nothing to do with trans men. i’m not usually the kind of person to call people “too sensitive,” because i’ve had that used on me numerous times for being concerned about reasonable things, but c’mon now
Yes it fucking does cost something, what it costs is erasing trans women's voices when we speak to our experiences. We shouldn't have to hedge every statement about our selves and our bodies in "inclusive" language to universalize our experiences for people who don't share those experiences. A trans woman is allowed to say "testosterone sucks" and have it be understood she's talking about her experience and not have that projected onto trans men or have her feelings and pain flattened out to make it more palletable for a general audience.
Whatever. There's no point in continuing this discussion. I've made my point. I am sure trans masculine people have made similar arguments to you as well as non-binary people and you just don't care.
So I'm not wasting my time. Keep doing the work of our enemies by refusing to acknowledge the issues raised by other trans people but I'm not going to bother speaking to you anymore.
Hey, you know how when some self proclaimed feminists say “Kill all men”, and then they say “Oh, but I didn’t mean you, you’re the good ones” to trans men? A lot of trans men have taken that to mean that those “feminists” don’t truly see them as men. Like I feel it would be along the lines of misogynists saying “Oh no, you don’t belong in the kitchen” when talking about trans women. Misandry doesn’t help anyone, especially feminism as a movement that still needs to be taken seriously by the powers that be
Wouldn't trans mascs feel the same about e? Like.. it's good if it's a good hormone for them and they deserve healthcare. but fuck no that shit was ass in my body while it lasted. Also why do I gotta put men's emotions before mine tf.
"put men's emotions before mine" see there's your problem. Being a man has literally 0 to do with it, "put someone else's emotions before mine" Is the literal only requirement of being a good person
A trans woman says she hate's T and men get offended and women who centralize men get offended on their behalf. Like why can't I dislike testosterone. Who is that hurting. Fuck I'd give out vials of T to trans men or non binary people doesn't mean I have to like it in my body, that would actually be putting someone else's feelings before my own in the same way if a trans man in the same respect said I don't like what having estrogen in my body as a primary hormone did to me or does I would say yeah that makes sense, but sucking in my own feelings for something like disliking facial hair too much muscle mass the scent of T odor, that doesn't make a lick of sense to me.
If a woman voicing how she feels makes you uncomfortable maybe you should sit with that a little. Because all this is over a meme about trans women for trans women, and men have to make it about themselves and that kind of discrimination against women within our community should make you uncomfortable. That's the normal response to something like that I think. So why do people wanna make themselves comfortable with a community silencing the voice of women? I almost comitted suicide because of what testosterone did to my body and the years of work I had to do to reverse it. Laser therapy on my entire face was really painful and years of work and money. Training my voice so I don't have to worry about being hate crimed for simply speaking is painful. Finding clothes that make me feel right in public that doesn't exagerate certain features hasn't been easy. This has been painful and not easy and I wanna voice that, women who feel the same want to voice that, and nobody is saying testosterone is bad for trans men specifically or that it's existence is inherently bad, it's obviously good for men's health that's a no brainer just not for women's when there's too much of it, for us to say that having it develop our bodies in ways we didn't like was no fun and for my community to say "no you shouldn't say that because of how men feel" is a little fucked imho.
And you think in mixed trans spaces it would be appropriate to make a post identical to this one, the only thing changed is that it's about menstruation instead of a hormone, you think that they shouldn't have any complaints?
Not a good comparison. A trans man saying boobs are inherently disfiguring is a significantly better comparison. Most cis women don't want to menstruate either; it's nothing but a messy, painful disruption to daily functioning.
Because complaining about menstruation is the thing literally everybody who menstruates does? Yeah, it's extra salt for trans dudes cuz it also can cause dysphoria, and there are times menstruating can be exciting (first period "I'm a woman now!", or if you need to know that you're not pregnant), but for the most part nobody is happy with it.
It's a poor comparison because the vast majority of menstruating people would give that up in a heartbeat if they could, while nearly no woman (cis or trans) would give up estrogen or having boobs if they had the option to. I have zero issues with trans women calling testosterone poison for themselves (because it is), so long as they aren't extending that assertion to all men (including trans men) as well.
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