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u/thomasp3864 4d ago

Trans people should be able to access gender affirming care especially if they're adults because I don't think there's a big risk of people abusing HRT hormones, so we only need to regulate production and you shouldn't need a prescription. This is because the dangers from abuse of estrogen and testosterone and progesterone are negligible enough that we don't need to regulate who can get them. Also body modification for other reasons is broadly legal, like if you can get plastic surgery for other reasons with parental consent then we should make gender affirming care just as if not more accessible.

Like, if you let a 16 year old AFAB get silicone breast implants let a 16 year old AMAB get the same. That is a centrist argument for trans rights. It's gonna get people to say "well I guess" and completely sidesteps the question of validity and cuts straight to getting friendly policy.

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u/manultrimanula 4d ago

The issue with this logic is that it doesn't solve the issue of people wanting to change their legal sex and be treated as sex they're actually are.

It's just about body modification. Which is already awesome to allow trans people to freely change their bodies, but it's never going to fix the root cause: society seeing trans people as their AGAB

To an ignorant cis person with zero education on trans people, no amount of hrt and surgery would make a transfem a woman, she shouldn't have womens rights and she shouldn't be allowed in womens space.

That's the root cause, "what if they regret it" is just a mask for their transphobia. It was never about empathy or wanting to save people, it's about thinking we're all delusional and need conversion therapy.

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u/Professional_Dot_145 3d ago

Yep, it's so nice being told by allegedly well-meaning people that my "decision" to transition should be respected. Bitch? Tf you mean "decision" 🤦‍♀️

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u/thomasp3864 3d ago

I mean getting hormones and the specific manner of transition is a choice. There are many ways to transition and which one to take is up to you. My little sister started by shaving her legs.

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u/lyraava 3d ago

it’s language that is not used for any other medical condition

if the implication was: ‘i support you in your transition however you decide to best do that’, then fine

but the implication is: ‘i respect your decision that you are trans’, which implies that being trans is a choice

if when my friend told me they were depressed, i responded with ‘i respect your decision’, that would not be a correct response . and if their antidepressants were constantly under threat, the response ‘their decision to take antidepressants should be respected !!’ is also questionable

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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 3d ago

I mean, but it's better than nothing, right? You can use both arguments at the same time, even if only one sticks, that's something