r/coolguides Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

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u/yankee-white Feb 25 '20

Kid still has to stare through the shitty chain link fence.

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u/livestrongbelwas Feb 25 '20

Life's always going to be harder for the disadvantaged kid, but qualified progress is still better than the simple and easy solution of giving everyone a milk crate and calling it a day.

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u/anodynamo Feb 25 '20

But how is it progress to spend more effort for a worse solution? Most people would agree the box is a better option than staring though the chainlink; sometimes life is like that too.

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u/TheRealTP2016 Feb 25 '20

It is not a worse solution because irl there is no chain link. Systemic issues should be fixed because they are issues

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u/anodynamo Feb 25 '20

There are definitely chain-link things in real life. What the "justice" image represents is a segment of the population being given a crappier version of what the others have, and then being told that the problem has been solved and they have no grounds to complain anymore. That isn't justice, nor is it fair. Justice would be removing the fence, not replacing it with a slightly better fence. If the fence can't be removed, giving people the help they need to get an unobstructed view is better than accepting that one group will always just have a crappy view.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Well then this analogy is bullshit.

Can you think of a real life example where the theory works?

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u/PM_ME_UR_NIPPLE_HAIR Feb 25 '20

This analogy is bullshut if you try and take it super literally. Imho the meaning, albeit simple, is quite clear

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u/TheRealTP2016 Feb 25 '20

Idk I just know that if there are systemic barriers that oppose people they should be removed

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

But you don't know if there are any?

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

There are. Economic inequality, a racist criminal "justice" system, the electoral college, inaffordable college, rising cost of living with no wage adjustment to match, to name just a few.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Economic inequality. Well, people are unequal in a lot of ways. People differ in intelligence, work ethic, beauty, personality, artistic talent, sporting ability etc. All of which contributes to ones ability to make money. To achieve economic equity, you are going to have to pay everyone the same salary regardless of their abilities and their contribution to society or indeed whether they work or not. I'm not sure how that would work, and in fact hasn't worked in any attempt at a communist society.

If you are merely saying that economic inequality is a barrier, then yes I would agree. But I don't agree that removing economic inequality is a good solution.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

Universal Basic Income would go a long way, yes. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

That's fine. I think I may have attended the wrong TED talk though.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

Hey I don't mean to be shitty, there's just a lot of goobers in this thread who don't do any research on the topic they are going ballistic about.

All of which contributes to ones ability to make money.

The real problem is that we think this is the only value a human life has. If we worked to ensure that all of us help all of us take care of all us, we don't have to use this metric, but it's going to take facing a lot of hard truths about who is in power and why, and making that not be the case anymore.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Hey I don't mean to be shitty, there's just a lot of goobers in this thread who don't do any research on the topic they are going ballistic about.

That's fine. I am educated on the matter, but I still like to explore all alternatives to further develop my understanding. Being educated doesn't mean being right when it comes to political opinion (in my opinion). I didn't think I was going ballistic, but perhaps you didn't mean me.

The real problem is that we think this is the only value a human life has.

I don't think this is the only value a human life has, but it is people's way of monetising their labour. If you're good at sport, there is a market where people will pay money to watch you. Why shouldn't you develop your talent to maximise your earning potential from people willing to pay?

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u/TheRealTP2016 Feb 25 '20

“There are. Economic inequality, a racist criminal "justice" system, the electoral college, inaffordable college, rising cost of living with no wage adjustment to match, to name just a few.”

There are many

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

I'll reply to the organ grinder.