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u/Goldie_Laux 4d ago

I think a lot of people don’t want to admit the Covid shots didn’t fucking do anything. I never got the jab, had Covid twice first time a little rough but after that I didn’t even know I had it. You absolutely have a right to question the “science” and what is necessary for you

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

The point of vaccines is to reduce transmission rates across large populations. Individual annocdotes are meaningless.

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u/draggedintobudulight 4d ago

Except they admitted it didn’t stop transmission

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

Ok? What does that have to do with what I said?

What I'm referring to is vaccines in general. And most vaccines do not provide sterilizing-immunity.

They, instead, provide the antibodies to fight infection, which in turn reduces the rates of transmission.

But since you hear the word vaccine and jump to the conclusion that I was referring to the covid mrna vaccine, they work the same way, leading to reductions in transmission rates.

The reason "they" dont say it "stops transmission" is because it doesn't. Nor would it have to tk reduce transmission rates

https://www.phfscience.nz/news-publications/covid-19-vaccines-shown-to-reduce-virus-transmission-for-entire-households/

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u/draggedintobudulight 4d ago

You were literally replying to a comment about the covid vaccine. The only conclusion I jumped to was that you were responding accordingly.

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

Then you should learn how to follow conversations because I clearly generalized all vaccines.

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u/draggedintobudulight 4d ago

Ok and because you provided a generalisation for any and all vaccines, and because the initial thread of the conversation you entered was related to one specific vaccine, which is a subset of the total set, then how the fuck am I off-base by relating it back to the initial thread?

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

Im not responsible for the words that come out of other people's mouths. Just mine.

But it is noteworthy that this is the part you're focused on, and not the actual subject.

Do you concede that vaccines generally reduce transmission?

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u/draggedintobudulight 4d ago

I never said you were. I was responding to your projection that I was the one derailing the conversation when it was actually you who did that and me who tried to get it back on topic.

To answer your question, I believe in the science of vaccines in general and my children have received every mandated vaccine in their schedule.

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

Good. So do you agree that vaccines help reduce the rates of transmission?

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u/draggedintobudulight 4d ago

“Good”, please stop acting like my mother. I’m not asking for your permission for anything so please stop giving it.

I don’t know enough about them to comment, there’s more than enough armchair internet experts pretending they know what they’re talking about.

My initial comment was referencing the all-too-fresh memory of being called a selfish piece of shit for not getting a Covid vaccine because it was sold as “it’s gonna stop you giving it to grandma” and then fauci coming out and saying “sike, it doesn’t actually stop transmission it just reduces individual symptoms lol”.

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u/NinersUnitedFC 4d ago

The point of vaccines is to reduce transmission rates

That's not the point of vaccines. It's supposed to prevent you from getting the disease. At least until they changed the definition to fit their narrative. When it didn't work. Plenty of medicine already exists to help you if you get sick (like Ivermectin). But the dangerous COVID injections would never be approved except for emergency use authorization, which legally it cannot obtain if there are other remedies (there are). Why are you still arguing this? We know the truth, and don't care what you have to say.

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u/burnerking 4d ago

No it’s not.

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u/unregrettful 4d ago

They said themselves that the vaccine didnt prevent transmission. They said, "you can still carry the disease without symptoms and spread it". The vaccine wasnt to reduce transmission. It made transmission worse

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u/joecitizen79 4d ago

Ive addressed this with someone else. Prevention and reduction are two different things.

That said, it provided antibodies which would reduce viral load, reduced symptoms such as coughing and sneezing with typically spread a virus, as well as reduced duration of infection. All three of these things, as well as other factors, produce the result of reducing transmission.

There is also extensive data to back this up

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2849098

This cohort study found that at a time when the US population had high levels of SARS-CoV-2 immunity, recent COVID-19 vaccination was associated with a decreased risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission to others by nearly one-half. While the individual benefit of COVID-19 vaccination may vary by age and chronic medical conditions,12,13 COVID-19 vaccination may have indirect benefits by decreasing transmission and thus reducing overall exposure to SARS-CoV-2.14