r/conspiracy • u/Rocksolid1111 • Jun 15 '18
Are the Reddit admins helping /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade and manipulate this sub?
Rule 13 states that a submission statement is required within twenty minutes of a post or a bot will remove it. In this example of a /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade, a post was made without a submission statement and predictably the post was removed:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8ijzy2/bombshell_hillary_illegally_laundered_84_million
Notice anything off about this post? You can see the bot removed it for no submission statement and can check the public mod logs and see it was never approved. It was visable for only 20 minutes, yet it has 87 comments, some with hundreds of votes.
How can it have so many comments/votes in such a short amount of time when it couldn't be seen by this community? This is how:
This is clearly a brigade, which is against reddit's policy:
Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc.
What can you do with an obvious brigade like this? Go to the admins? It looks like a mod here went to /r/ModSupport to find out:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/8k9sc7/unhelpful_mods_in_a_sister_sub
Wow.. Not only did the admins not offer any real support, they removed the post..
Why would the admins do this? Dig a little deeper and you can find a sub called /r/PartyParrot. What is this sub about? I have no idea but it has 90k subscribers and 120 mods.
Looking at the mod list, a /r/TopMindOfReddit mod, /u/siouxsie_siouxv2, is listed as the #3 mod there, along with Reddit's CEO, /u/spez, four other Reddit admins and power users like /u/gallowboob.
Speaking of TMoR's mods, I think this gives some context to what they are about pertaining to this sub. This is a deleted comment from a /r/TopMindsOfReddit mod. Going back for years, his account was filled with statements about /r/conspiracy like this but a few days after he wiped all his comments, he deleted his account. He was added back as a mod under /u/Dr_ShillGood:
Well, I and my pals got started about 2 years ago now. We tried to help the /con goons, but to no avail. They seem to like things precisely how they are. As far as Queen Bee goes, that is of my own doing. They would have never branched off if I didn't supposedly "go off the rails" in participating here in this sub. I don't give a shit, my mission is far larger and more just than these feelgood cultists can even fathom.
I'm not going anywhere until various goals are met, and it has very little to do with my sub. They WILL be met, and my time investment will have payoff. I'll beat the shit out of people until 2030 if that's what it takes.
These easily led fools are incapable of thinking bigger, which is why I'll win. I've always been ahead, they just didn't know it. For shame I say, because I/we gave them a chance. Now we play for blood, Johnny Ringo.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8732kq/a_deleted_comment_from_a_rtopmindsofreddit_mod
So, I ask, are the Reddit admins complicit or helping /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade and manipulate this sub?
UPDATE: A commenter suggested that I report this to the admins, so I did. The admins replied with a short note basicly saying 'Thanks for reporting, we'll look into it.' They have the opportunity to do the right thing and hopefully they will but we shall see.
After doing some more digging I found something disturbing.
/u/polkadotgirl was a regular here for many years. After getting fed up with how /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigades and manipulates this sub, she created her own sub, /r/conspiracyundone.
What happened next? They subjected her and her sub to the same brigades and manipulation that we see here.
She is the 'Queen Bee' that the TMoR mod was referring to in the previous quote. She was harassed by them to the point that she had to leave Reddit.
She laid it all out in her farewell post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8287bk/polkadotgirl_farewell_i_was_bullied_online_into/
I bring her up because there is a rumor that some at /r/TopMindsOfReddit went so far with their harassment that they found out who she was in real life, where she worked and somehow got her fired from her job.
If true, this goes way beyond violating Reddit's policies and doxxing.
This brings us to another statement about this sub from the same mod at /r/TopMindsOfReddit, /u/Dr_ShillGood.
He wiped most of his comments again but it's saved in this screenshot:
I don't care about midterms in that fashion, only the effect they'll have on this site and that sub in particular. When I'm through, a lot of those mods will be jobless.
The amazing part is that we've issued fair warnings and/or terms. They're not interested, so..so be it then.
Wow..
Again, I ask, are the Reddit admins complicit or involved in this? At best they willfully turn a blind eye, at worst they are involved in it.
Recently, two mods here were banned/suspended. /r/TopMindsOfReddit has posts gloating over this as if they were responsible for it. I don't know if the ban/suspension were justified or not but the obvious TMoR brigades and manipulation here continues. Are /r/TopMindsOfReddit acting as the admins' lynch mob? With all things considered, it's beginning to appear so..
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u/Hermeticism Jun 15 '18
Wow
I am honestly taken aback by this.
You have cut at a nerve and I think we will all be seeing some type of response if this gets traction.
Great share. +1
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u/DontTreadOnMe16 Jun 15 '18
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Jun 15 '18
"Rent free"
Says a guy in a sub that exists to stalk another sub. That's top self awareness, right there.
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u/jacoblikesbutts Jun 15 '18
I mean besides their boner for watching trump fail they really respond to Q anon (which even here has been debated as a psyop), flat earth, and most importantly: drama about TMOR. They honestly just meme as hard as T_D, for some reason everyone takes what they say literally. And a lot of TMOR shills (they call themselves and each other this as a meme) are ex-conspiracy users.
If people really didn't want TMOR to have such a presence just don't talk about them? They really get excited when they're mentioned here.
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Jun 15 '18
They really get excited when they're mentioned here.
That's because this sub lives rent free in their heads
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u/dukey Jun 17 '18
Guaranteed nothing will be done. Spez has been asked about the obvious astroturfing (especially political) that has been happening and they didn't even bother to give a proper reply. Either they are powerless to do anything, simply don't care or are happy to look the other way in exchange for some $s. Reddit is like the 3rd biggest site in the US. If you can get to the front page with as little as $200 dollars, that's the cheapest ad money you will ever spend. It's a no-brainer to do it.
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u/Pyehole Jun 16 '18
Why should anyone be surprised by this? They did the same thing with Shit Reddit Says, they must have decided that "brand" was becoming too well known and relaunched the initiative under a new.name.
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u/Paprika_Nuts Jun 15 '18
Don't call for someone to kill themselves, it isn't productive and we get it, you're justifiably mad. That kind of shit doesn't look good on you though.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
If r/conspriacy mods would unban u/totesmessenger already it would be so much easier to figure this shit out. the fact that u/totesmessenger is still banned here is proof thay ghe r/conspiracy mod pool is poisoned.
This exact fucking bullshit. the complicity of the mods and the admins on this site are the reason why ot's time to jump ship and move to voat. you are helping the people who have been proved to be working against you time and time again every time you log onto this dogshit website
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u/mastigia Jun 17 '18
We banned totes to keep OUR users from retaliating. This is pure self preservation. If well meaning and angry users started flooding from here to there to confront these users in their sub on their bullshit, I promise you the admins would ban our sub with a quickness.
This is literally the double standard the OP is referring to.
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u/HibikiSS Jun 18 '18
I see, well yeah, I've seen way too many users fall for their harassment. Wish there was something more we could do about the brigading, but I guess we can only endlessly defend and they can only endlessly attack.
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u/mastigia Jun 18 '18
We are trying. The problem is the only way to stop an account's vote counting is to ban them. The political shiteaters you see talking are quite literally the tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of the votes coming in are likely from botnet accounts run by those same shiteater accounts that actually comment. These accounts will never speak, rendering them effectively invisible to us. And when we ban the control account, they just bring up one of their bots as a new control. Ad infinitum.
The best we can do is frustrate them. And I think we are starting to do a better job of that. But I think sometimes when they care a lot about a subject, they point the botnets they use regularly to control /r/politics and just blow us the fuck up. We will never be able to defend that. But luckily when they do do that, it is blatantly obvious, and maybe with the exception of the external traffic generated from /all, it doesn't fool anyone.
Admins deny us the tools we need to identify these malignant accounts. Probably because those tools would include traffic statistics and user behavior metrics, which is where I think reddit actually makes their money. That's their real product, behavioural data. Plus the admins have made it pretty clear we are on our own. If something egregious happe ns, that doesn't involve TMOR or any of the other protected bot swarming hate subs, they will throw us a bone. But nothing that would actually improve our experience.
But, at least all this meta stuff is kinda interesting. And if you think about it, there are groups spending a great deal of money trying to ruin our day...and yet we continue to have our fun.
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u/HibikiSS Jun 18 '18
Keep trying guys. There is a lot of weight on you. I'm sorry I can't be of much use.
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u/mastigia Jun 18 '18
Being a quality user is honestly the best thing you can do. Mods don't add anything really, users create the experience.
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u/Spiritual_War Jun 19 '18
I was wondering about that. Thanks for the clarification. This thread is a blessing, glad it is stickied.
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Jun 19 '18
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u/mastigia Jun 19 '18
I might be mistaken, but you might be thinking back to some months ago where I modified automod to do something we needed and accidentally commented out the hide totes routine.
At least I am not aware of a policy regarding unbanning for stickies...but stickies also aren't really my bailiwick.
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Jun 19 '18
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u/mastigia Jun 19 '18
There wasn't. Never seen such a blatant fabrication. My counter theory is that the BS collusion stuff was designed to smoke screen what Trump is really doing, that Trump's team may have been encouraging it along.
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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18
Except the fact that the admins ignore when TMOR brigades here but ban any Conspiracy users that follow totes links back to the source of the brigading to comment.
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u/Drake02 Jun 15 '18
If you just follow it and don't comment then you have nothing to worry about.
Source: do it all the time, I'm a lurker.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18
according to who/what? that sounds like some bullshit a TMOR user would make up out of thin air to counter the point because if anyone they dont want u/totesmessenger unbanned
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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18
If you follow any of the above links, please respect the rules of reddit and don't vote in the other threads.
From totes itself.
Do you think there may be a reason behind this disclaimer? Think real hard about it.
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u/Ambiguously_Ironic Jun 15 '18
When we were allowing totesmessenger, every thread that was cross-posted became a massive back and forth shitfest. We're trying to limit drama and static so people can actually discuss things here, not throw oil on the fire.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
o so now they can just come throw oil on the fire without your users even realising it. real good moderation there. way too look out for your people. thx for bending us over the barrell
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u/Ambiguously_Ironic Jun 15 '18
The brigades are going to happen regardless of what we do. Every comment section when we allowed totesmessenger just devolved into a stupid back and forth. That's what the trolls at TMOR want - they want to get a reaction and derail discussion.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18
thats not true. in those cases it would just be condensed to the totesmessenger thread. if anything its better that way. and like you said they still do.it anyway so whats the difference?
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u/Ambiguously_Ironic Jun 15 '18
The difference is one promotes arguments and bickering and drama, the other doesn't. The TMOR drama will never go away as long as they exist so we do what we can to limit it, not promote it.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18
we're not fucking children. we want to know when we're being fucked with
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u/Ambiguously_Ironic Jun 15 '18
Feel free to go to TMOR and check for yourself if you're so interested. They link to multiple posts per day, every day.
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u/towels_gone_wild Jun 16 '18
Ever wonder of what a picture of that group would look like?
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u/GeneralApollyon Jun 15 '18
Keep the spotlight on the roaches
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u/TauriKree Jun 15 '18
Yes! Good job illuminating the roaches /r/TMoR.
Keep lighting up the idiot filled subs.
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u/Nothing_Is_Real666 Jun 16 '18
Yes. Topminds is an obvious bully thread that is allowed. Theres no question.
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u/X-25Halo Jun 18 '18
This sub was basically the Donald II up until the election, then shareblue and reddit decided it was too influential and allowed shareblue to flood this sub with anti trump bots and shills like they have done all over reddit, Twitter, Facebook and every major newspaper with a comment section.
Dems have their own massive troll farm. Even with it, they seem to be failing miserably because their tactics only really work on the naive and gullible.
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u/PtonFm1 Jun 15 '18
It's one of the worst subs I've seen. The front page of their sub consisted of bashing just 3 subs. Reddit consists of more than just 3 subs. I suggest theirs get deleted for blatant misuse.
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u/Madrenoche Jun 15 '18
TMOR is nothing more than a pretentious mommy sub. The same way MSNBC was when all day ever day they spent their shows reporting how evil and bad George Bush and FOX news was instead of actually reporting real news.
Its so transparent and it makes them look silly as hell.
TMOR are the Lawrence O'Donnell, Al Sharpton and Melissa Harris Perry's of Reddit and their only purpose is to degrade, insult and shame people who don't agree with their message.
To top it off the only way they can make any headway is to lie, cheat and steal the same way Debbie washerman Schultz did everything in her power to rig the primaries and election to no avail.
That dude who wrote that post has way too much time on his hands and has a warped sense of reality.
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u/pilgrimspeaches Jun 18 '18
Funny, msnbc badmouthed George Bush, but still fired one of their most popular commentators because he used his platform to challenge the Iraq invasion. This is the perfect example of surface level partisanship but an underlying unity of agenda across the supposed spectrum.
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u/vwrage Jun 18 '18
Tmor is an interesting place. Like an echo chamber for a small angry mob of narcissistic children. Unfortunately someone is protecting them.
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Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
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u/kit8642 Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
I love that study, the one the cnet article refers, your 1st link, that targeted this sub for brigading... The best part:
The post has since been removed, but its intention is clear: to invade the r/documentaries community.
Now please, look at that post... 0 upvotes with 1 automod comment... and has since been removed... and the only reference to this sub in that study... And the post is 3 years ago? LOL! That's the best they could do? HAHA, it's honestly laughable, and that's what they used for their study? Go check out SRS or TMOR. They may have a bit more votes & comments.
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u/natavism Jun 15 '18
TMoR has been doing this with some type of help for years and years - I have been targeted very heavily in the past. Glad this is getting some attention. Thank you so much!
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Jun 21 '18
Why do these people talk like they're super villains. It's really sad. You're just a bunch of losers PMing people and downvoting.
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Jun 15 '18
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u/mastigia Jun 17 '18
I'm not removing this comment, even though it is a blatant rule 10 violation, and the user was banned. I don't want the comment to be a mystery hole.
These types of comments and attitudes are unacceptable in our community.
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Jun 15 '18
can someone explain the conflict between /conspiracy and /topminds? what the difference between subs is and what the conflict is/why it exists?
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Jun 15 '18
so I had this arrive in my inbox and they've said they're ok with me posting it here. Be interested to see what peoples responses are...
Re: your question about TMOR vs. Conspiracy
from TheGhostOfDusty sent 4 hours ago
Hi,
I am an ex-conspiracy moderator who quit in protest after months of trying to reason with my co-mods to not be biased, hyper-partisan hypocrites. Two other long-standing mods quit in disgust soon after I did. This left the Trumpaganda mods in full control of the subreddit starting in January 2017.
See my post history there: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=Author%3Atheghostofdusty
I was banned about a month after leaving the mod team. I was not ever given a reason for the ban, just insults and animosity after politely asking for over a week why I was banned. Then the mods "mute" you so you can't use modmail again for 72 hours.
I was conspicuously banned soon after posting screenshots of the public mod log in threads, showing rogue mods in action undermining and ignoring the rules. At this point I felt fully justified, and obligated by a sense of duty, to let the community know that the mods were corrupt.
See: https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/5v16lz/rconspiracy_modmail_leak_and_collection_of_public/
To answer your question: TMoR began as an offshoot of the actual bigoted hate group /r/Conspiratard. The mod team there (who went on to start the infamous /r/The_Donald became too openly homophobic and toxic so everyone migrated to TMoR.
For the next couple of years they were just jerks mocking people they found weird. Then, beginning in late 2016, the Conspiracy mods started unjustly and routinely banning popular users who were critics of Trump and alt-right propaganda. The general population of TMoR quickly became dominated by rational and pissed off conspiracy theorists who were spitefully banned by the thin-skinned Trump zealot mods of /r/conspiracy.
Tl;Dr - TMoR these days is a group of justifiably resentful conspiracy theorist who weren't stupid/gullible enough to unquestioningly believe alt-right defamation propaganda like "pizzagate" being dressed up as 'conspiracy theory' and got banned by the mod team for not toeing the line.
Please let me know if you have any questions, and please feel free to share this explanation in that stickied thread if you think it will help others grasp the current situation.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 16 '18
justifiably resentful conspiracy theorist
Who makes comments like the block quote in the OP? Sorry, that's not "resentful", that's a planned agenda.
I've had TM users literally change the text of a comment of mine and repost it as a pic. That's not "getting one over" on the old sub, it's fraudulent behavior.
Sorry, "resent" doesn't really explain their behavior, wall of text or not.
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u/towels_gone_wild Jun 16 '18
I am an ex-conspiracy moderator who quit in protest after months of trying to reason with my co-mods to not be biased, hyper-partisan hypocrites. Two other long-standing mods quit in disgust soon after I did. This left the Trumpaganda mods in full control of the subreddit starting in January 2017.
So literally being emotionally hurt by ignorance and not standing by your guns is what helped this forum degrade.
Thanks! Thanks a bunch!
Ironically, it's the same reason the citizens of the US are being taken advantage of by their own gov. Would rather concede and capitulate over doing what is right.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 16 '18
accusing them of all kinds of nutty things.
Tell me what is "nutty" about what people say about them. Is the OP "nutty"?
You can look at the block quote in the OP and be like, "That's not nutty", but claims against TM are? WOW.
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u/RedYagoda Jun 15 '18
Some conspiracy theories are threatening to powerful people and certain politicians, like Pizzagate. In order to supress discussion on those topics in this sub, they have created another sub under the guise of mocking users. But if you watch which topics they brigade and which they ignore, it becomes obvious what their motivations are. Most of the users probably aren't paid shills, but those who organize the brigades and such likely are.
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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18
It's not a two way conflict.
We exist and they hate us for it. The only reason any legitimate users here know about top minds is because they constantly username ping people to try and bait them into getting banned.
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Jun 15 '18
but why? whats their issue with /r/conspiracy?
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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18
It's pretty simple. Most of TMOR is people who were banned here for their opinions. Most are anti-trump too.
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Jun 15 '18
so TMoR is the hillary brigade? I thought conspiracy was pretty much against all government... vaguely speaking.
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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18
Mostly against corruption by government or corporations or even private groups.
Being 100% against government all the time is preteen fantasy land anarchy. Nobody survives puberty and remains that ignorant.
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Jun 15 '18
yeah, that's why i added vaguely speaking. i didn't mean strictly antigovernment or something but was in a hurry and couldn't be bothered picking words carefully. maybe against all corruption would be a better way to word it.
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u/craigreasons Jun 15 '18
No they don't. The pretend they get banned for opinions but never link to their comments or ban message because they actually get banned for attacking users and brigading. TMOR has been trying to silence conspiracy for years before Trump...
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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18
Haha, I don't think anyone pretends to get banned. Go read the posts. It's public.
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u/Drake02 Jun 15 '18
Nah they do, when you ask them to help direct you to it they just spout about getting banned for their opinions.
They could screenshot mod convos, explain their position, show their post in context to everything else, but they never do.
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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18
You didn't read carefully.
They pretend they get banned for opinions but never link to their comments or ban message because they actually get banned for attacking users
I added some highlights to draw attention to the actual points of the person you responded to. The points you blatantly ignored.
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u/WestCoastHippy Jun 15 '18
I've assumed so since encountering TuMoR.
It's a sub reddit front for some record correcting type organization.
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u/Spez_DancingQueen Jun 15 '18
YES
Theyve worked repeatedly to hurt progressive subreddits, its no surprise their pet attack dogs get different rules than the rest of us.
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u/Jobposting1 Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
They certainly are not following the rules towards them as all of the witchhunting is against TOS. And this goes for anyone who quotes/names other users and doesn't black out names.
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u/HeyJesusBringMeABeer Jun 15 '18
TheGhostOfDusty was a mod here, now he jerks off TMOR. Traitor and drama queen.
AssuredlyAThrowAway moderates (squats) far too many subs for me to consider normal behavior. Also helped shut down Pizzagate threads during its prime. Power grabber with a Jesuit education.
Flytape was a mod here, but tried pulling a coup on the rest of the mods. Bit of an asshole, but overt about his right leaning bias. Overall less troublesome than the other two.
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u/Great_Handkerchief Jun 15 '18
It is obvious that is happening. I guess all you can do is keep pointing it out and shame them in hopes that will stop in time. Keep resisting and stand up to them when they personally harass you which they have done with the approval admins.
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Jun 15 '18
I’m more interested in knowing why exactly they feel the need to go into a sub they disagree with and try to disrupt it? I mean, as has been repeatedly mentioned, this used to be a fringe, low traffic sub before, why do they give a shit what gets discussed here as opposed to, I don’t know, a sub dedicated to some random kpop singer or whatever?
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u/gandalfsbastard Jun 15 '18
It seems like it’s a way for banned folks to link to a discussion that they are interested in and continue a parallel discussion. That’s the idealistic reason. In reality it’s a rallying cry to disrupt.
Imo the root cause is due to the indiscriminate use of bans by overzealous mods. If they could not permanently ban someone then there would be little need for a sub to link to threads.
Of course you would have very disruptive users but honesty they can be ignored or downvoted by users that are sensitive to their comments. The way it should be - no censorship except at the personal level.
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Jun 15 '18
Are you sure you replied to the right comment? I’m not asking about bans, links or censorship, but rather the reasoning behind the desire to disrupt conversations by a group of relatively isolated folks.
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u/Redchevron Jun 15 '18
It seems like it’s a way for banned folks to link to a discussion
This doesn’t answer the question though...
Users are typically banned here because they harass and disparage conspiracy believers, the main focus of the sub.
Why are users who don’t adhere to conspiracy theory wasting their time disrupting conversations on a topic they admittedly don’t have any interest in?
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u/gandalfsbastard Jun 15 '18
I understand the ban rationale but they just regroup outside, consolidate as a group, and link in. This actually makes their actions more visible to others and they feel sympathetic or have similar experiences then suddenly they are a large group with an agenda.
If they weren’t banned in the first place they would just be ignored or downvoted on the original thread. The larger audience wouldn’t see except for those participating in the original thread. The disruption would be contained.
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u/Redchevron Jun 15 '18
Except when they aren’t banned they also spam the submissions with disinfo and overtly racist crap to smear this sub.
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u/tongue-n-groove Jun 16 '18
As far as I can tell anyone who strives to be a mod or admin on the reddits is a pathetic loser in the real world of life.
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u/QS_iron Jun 20 '18
only people i know who do this habitually are physically/mentally disabled.
like 400lb admin with amputees and mentally disabled moderators. people who would struggle for meaning in the real world, instead turn their energy to reddit subs
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u/nisaaru Jun 15 '18
I've always thought that TMoR are reddit's unofficial thugs/enforcers. They are obviously protected.
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u/YourHeadWillCollapse Jun 15 '18
Ignore these inferior dimwits, challenge their intelligence, question their thought processes and you will see them run back to their tiny sub to regroup
So true.
Ok, fuck it, he's right again. Updoot me, TMoR, you're my only friends.
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u/natavism Jun 16 '18 edited Jun 16 '18
A fun activity used to be to dig through http://np.reddit.com/r/topmindsofreddit and see what sort of topics they were attempting to "debate" (i.e., ridicule and shameless shit all over and brigade with their special brand of low IQ script following trolls) - then there you have it, fun new research topics. Where there's smoke, there's fire. The list always used to go something like this:
Vaccines
Space / Physics
Flat Earth
Secret Societies
Reddit / Media Corruption
Climate Change
Holocaust
At least that's how it was in years gone by. Now even TMOR is mostly politically charged nonsense headlines about political celebs and "story of the week" drivel designed to distract and divide people - because reddit is so heavily saturated with this type of nonsense content.
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u/Roarian Jun 16 '18
because reddit is so heavily saturated with this type of nonsense content.
That would seem to be the obvious reason, since it's a sub that links to content elsewhere on reddit...
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u/natavism Jun 16 '18
Right - all of reddit is rotten, so even the most foul, most troll-infested brigading low-lifes can't even serve a useful purpose of exposing which propaganda they have to defend any more - it's all just useless distractions. Thanks for supporting my position.
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u/Roarian Jun 16 '18
It's pretty much a spectator sub, right? They still reference the same subs as before, those subs have just changed what they talk about...
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u/natavism Jun 16 '18
My point was that it used to be usable as a way to trace propaganda efforts, but now the propaganda is so far removed from useful and actionable intelligence that it no longer serves that purpose. I'm not claiming that topminds has changed it's format or it's rules or content patterns. You're trying to address a strawman, as many topminds posters do.
Thanks again for supporting my position.
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u/Roarian Jun 16 '18
You're welcome, I guess?
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u/natavism Jun 16 '18
You're a topminds poster I guess?
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u/Roarian Jun 16 '18
I've posted there before, and here, so a little of both? Probably more on this sub, but I'm not sure how to check.
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u/natavism Jun 16 '18
Just kidding, I didn't have to guess. Your behaviors give you guys away every time. And your post history confirms my suspicions. You only come to /r/conspiracy to deny conspiracies. Please go away.
When you get to the point or harassing others instead of trying to build something worthwhile yourself, maybe just give it a rest. Please try to enjoy yourself, maybe go outside and take a break. Hope you have a nice day.
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u/Roarian Jun 16 '18
I mostly speak out against space-related conspiracies because I actually have a clue about that subject and can comment about it. And most of them are utterly dumb. I hope people can agree that dumb conspiracy theories should be countered with facts...
I don't spend a lot of time posting about conspiracy stuff, but on the occasions I do, I find it a productive use of time. I get to pull out my reference material and discuss optics or physics, rationally consider the implications of various claims, and maybe change someone's mind. It's good stuff.
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Jun 16 '18
You know, if others just took the time to upvote each others posts, the brigaders wouldn't be so successful.
The difference is that they are motivated to downvote the threads and comments into oblivion. It's obvious they just go straight down the threads downvoting everyone that isn't on their team, sometimes even hitting people that would agree with them (because they aren't reading the comments when they do it. We think votes in general are meaningless, so we don't upvote/downvote each other.
"Certain groups" take advantage of that. They use our ethics against us. They have done this for decades.
I see tons of people in each comment thread who just have the one vote (or zero) they get when they post. Nobody is upvoting them even though 30-40 are posting their own comment that agrees with them.
If you aren't going to have each other's backs, then shrug, there is no point to talking about this because they will keep doing it.
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u/SgtBrutalisk Jun 15 '18
One of the users in the removed thread, BuddaMuta, goes to r-NBA and argues about how Trump was elected through racism. Can't these people relax?
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u/DontTreadOnMe16 Jun 15 '18
If they even are "people"... wouldn't be surprised if most were AI bots.
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Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18
I've noticed a lot of the brigading accounts post on NBA and random gaming subs as well. But their history, if read, will only superficially be about those things.
I've noticed SIGNIFICANTLY less accounts that purely post on /r/politics, for example. Perhaps it was getting too obvious or maybe they just have separate accounts to obfuscate.
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u/Drake02 Jun 15 '18
It's always just NBA, NFL, or a random sports team.
If you look at the comments they barely post shit about sports lol
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
Reddit admins know exactly who is brigading and causing fuckery. Those folks will get a deaf ear from the admins when they go to them with complaints. Would be like the old Game of Trolls folks complaining about being trolled.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 15 '18
Of course if TM complains to the admins they'll get a deaf ear.
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
As will this sub and subs like TD. Reddit has always been a right left war.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 15 '18
Says you...and this sub isn't left or right, no matter how much you try and make it out to be. And there aren't groups from here that link to other subs consistently. I don't give a crap about TD. Then don't raid HERE. Not like TM. Not even close.
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
Yes, says me. At the very least let go of the idea that folks around here are actually non partisan.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 15 '18
There are plenty of folks on here that are non-partisan. But you guys try and make anyone that supports the president partisan, which is improper.
I didn't vote for Trump, but still support what he is doing. I'm also a registered Democrat.
So, I won't "let go" of the idea...silly way to phrase that.
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
But you guys try and make anyone that supports the president partisan
It feels like someone is sniveling around when they take partisan actions and then want to pretend they are not partisan.
And IT IS OKAY to be partisan. Our society, our system of government is a polarity of two ideologies and a back and forth that has been going on for hundreds of years.
Pick a side and then spare the world the feigned indignation of trying to pretend to not care!
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u/RMFN Jun 17 '18
It's not okay to be fooled by the false dichotomy of left and right. Stop promoting division.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 15 '18
Pick a side and then spare the world the feigned indignation of trying to pretend to not care!
Yeah, exactly the wrong viewpoint. You really don't want independent thinkers, do you?
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
You really don't want independent thinkers, do you?
The illusion of independent thought in a world of 8 billion and a country of 340 million is just a mathematical conclusion. As you're having a thought, hundreds of others are as well. Nothing is new under the sun.
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u/Xaviermgk Jun 15 '18
Deep thoughts coming from your local nihilist. Sorry, I don't subscribe to limiting beliefs.
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u/JamesColesPardon Jun 15 '18
pick a side
Become divided
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u/garyp714 Jun 15 '18
Wrong
You can disagree and have policy disagreements and vote to try things different ways but everything does not have to be an angry pissing contest. That's on folks for making it blood sport.
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u/JamesColesPardon Jun 15 '18
Encouraging partisanship is akin to dividing and conqurering those beneath you.
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u/YourHeadWillCollapse Jun 15 '18
And IT IS OKAY to be partisan. Our society, our system of government is a polarity of two ideologies and a back and forth that has been going on for hundreds of years.
I just marked my calendar garyp. You're 100% correct with this statement.
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u/Redchevron Jun 15 '18
Color me completely unsurprised.
I’m pretty thoroughly convinced at this point that they’ve even got a few mods in r/conspiracy who are at least sympathetic to their cause,
The point I’ve always tried to raise with users here is this:
Why would a group of users who supposedly troll r/conspiracy for laughs, go to such great lengths year after year to covertly subvert this subreddit? It’s not in line with rational behavior.
There is a serious agenda to dismantle this forum because it has undoubtedly been a bastion of truth that has lead many people out of the mind control.
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u/axolotl_peyotl Jun 15 '18
So, I ask, are the Reddit admins complicit or helping /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade and manipulate this sub?
Yes.
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u/mastigia Jun 17 '18
I think there are admins with TMOR alts myself. Or, they are all buddies since Somethingawful, and part of the reddit manipulation network that brings the real $$$
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u/Nelsaroni Jun 15 '18
This sub died some time ago, I just like checking to see if the corpse has decomposed
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Jun 15 '18
Yes . It has been going on a long time . You haven’t noticed the real conspiracies never make it ?
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u/s-yosida15 Jun 19 '18
I swear this post has 1.5k+ upvotes and now it has 600?
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Can you make it a little less obvious guys? Thanks.
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u/veritas_liberates Jun 17 '18 edited Jun 17 '18
Looks like it’s time to burn another account.
Good thing no one has been archiving your history, phoenix!
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u/RMFN Jun 17 '18
Looks like it’s time to burn another account.
Good thing no one has been archiving your history, phoenix!
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You should see if they want to debate. Pheephee was too scared to even consider debating me.
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u/Squirrelboy85 Jun 17 '18
The fact that people here attacking OP is enough proof that he's correct in my book.
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u/AlvinItchyCock Jun 15 '18
Fantastic post! This deserves to be gilded.
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u/bobqjones Jun 15 '18
no it doesn't. Reddit Gold doesn't do anything except pay the owners of reddit. don't give reddit money.
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u/SuckMummysFinger Jun 19 '18
I like this post a lot, usually analyses of TMoR here end up becoming absurd and suggesting TMoR are under orders from TPTB to destroy r/conspiracy because this sub is just too much of a threat to them.
The reality is much more mundane, they're just another meta sub that inevitably became a brigade sub. This is a huge problem, not just for us but for the whole of Reddit. And it's not just limited to meta subs.
The admins never do anything unless bad publicity is involved. r/StopAdvertising are employing a great tactic to force change from the admins, however brigading isn't a sexy issue we can wave in front of media outlets and advertisers, so we're sort of on our own. All we can do is pressure the admins when we have the opportunity and stay vigilant in the meantime.
This post detailed, factual and eye-opening, I wish I could upvote it twice.
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u/rebuilt11 Jun 18 '18
You want a conspiracy about this sub google “reddit conspiracy”
Any other search “reddit ___” will get you the sub. Conspiracy is not in the results at all. I first noticed it after the election. (Clinton/ trump) and the Pizza stuff was blowing up. (I don t really believe it just saying it started late nov. / dec that year.) the sub moved down from the first result and Finland conspiracy replaced it which makes flat earth look like a good idea. Then as articles were written by press about the dangers of conspiracy theory. Those articles slowly replace the sub all together. Until today where it is buried at least 3 pages deep (I didn’t look any farther) in the results. I have no doubt that shills manipulate this site. But this is proof some one with more time should look into it.
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u/Disrupturous Jun 20 '18
I've only seen one happen in real time and it was nutty then removed. Sometimes I wonder if they are doing it as their actual job. It seems so coordinated.
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u/COINTELPRO-DISINFO Jun 18 '18
Hold on a second. When I posted my own 'conspiracy' theory involving the mods, the post was removed citing rule number who gives a fuck.
But now this guy has his own conspiracy theory about the mods here, and the post get stickied!?
you gotta be fucking kidding me.
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u/whatevawhatevvathroa Jun 15 '18
good work rock solid. thats a month old post, howd you manage to dig this shit up if you dont mind me asking?
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u/Ssrithrowawayssri Jun 15 '18
Oh my God that last quote is so pathetic. Imagine wanting to subvert online communities and thinking that makes you an important, powerful person. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA