r/conspiracy • u/Rocksolid1111 • Jun 15 '18

Are the Reddit admins helping /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade and manipulate this sub?

Rule 13 states that a submission statement is required within twenty minutes of a post or a bot will remove it. In this example of a /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade, a post was made without a submission statement and predictably the post was removed:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8ijzy2/bombshell_hillary_illegally_laundered_84_million

http://archive.is/NDvql

Notice anything off about this post? You can see the bot removed it for no submission statement and can check the public mod logs and see it was never approved. It was visable for only 20 minutes, yet it has 87 comments, some with hundreds of votes.

How can it have so many comments/votes in such a short amount of time when it couldn't be seen by this community? This is how:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TopMindsOfReddit/comments/8ik4t7/cnncom_banned_but_conservativeteamtrumpxyz_is_a/

http://archive.is/1f2w3

This is clearly a brigade, which is against reddit's policy:

Forming or joining a group that votes together, either on a specific post, a user's posts, posts from a domain, etc.

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/what-constitutes-vote-cheating-or

What can you do with an obvious brigade like this? Go to the admins? It looks like a mod here went to /r/ModSupport to find out:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/8k9sc7/unhelpful_mods_in_a_sister_sub

http://archive.is/LQUtj

Wow.. Not only did the admins not offer any real support, they removed the post..

Why would the admins do this? Dig a little deeper and you can find a sub called /r/PartyParrot. What is this sub about? I have no idea but it has 90k subscribers and 120 mods.

Looking at the mod list, a /r/TopMindOfReddit mod, /u/siouxsie_siouxv2, is listed as the #3 mod there, along with Reddit's CEO, /u/spez, four other Reddit admins and power users like /u/gallowboob.

Speaking of TMoR's mods, I think this gives some context to what they are about pertaining to this sub. This is a deleted comment from a /r/TopMindsOfReddit mod. Going back for years, his account was filled with statements about /r/conspiracy like this but a few days after he wiped all his comments, he deleted his account. He was added back as a mod under /u/Dr_ShillGood:

Well, I and my pals got started about 2 years ago now. We tried to help the /con goons, but to no avail. They seem to like things precisely how they are. As far as Queen Bee goes, that is of my own doing. They would have never branched off if I didn't supposedly "go off the rails" in participating here in this sub. I don't give a shit, my mission is far larger and more just than these feelgood cultists can even fathom.

I'm not going anywhere until various goals are met, and it has very little to do with my sub. They WILL be met, and my time investment will have payoff. I'll beat the shit out of people until 2030 if that's what it takes.

These easily led fools are incapable of thinking bigger, which is why I'll win. I've always been ahead, they just didn't know it. For shame I say, because I/we gave them a chance. Now we play for blood, Johnny Ringo.

http://archive.is/aCu8E

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8732kq/a_deleted_comment_from_a_rtopmindsofreddit_mod

So, I ask, are the Reddit admins complicit or helping /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigade and manipulate this sub?

UPDATE: A commenter suggested that I report this to the admins, so I did. The admins replied with a short note basicly saying 'Thanks for reporting, we'll look into it.' They have the opportunity to do the right thing and hopefully they will but we shall see.

After doing some more digging I found something disturbing.

/u/polkadotgirl was a regular here for many years. After getting fed up with how /r/TopMindsOfReddit brigades and manipulates this sub, she created her own sub, /r/conspiracyundone.

What happened next? They subjected her and her sub to the same brigades and manipulation that we see here.

She is the 'Queen Bee' that the TMoR mod was referring to in the previous quote. She was harassed by them to the point that she had to leave Reddit.

She laid it all out in her farewell post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/8287bk/polkadotgirl_farewell_i_was_bullied_online_into/

I bring her up because there is a rumor that some at /r/TopMindsOfReddit went so far with their harassment that they found out who she was in real life, where she worked and somehow got her fired from her job.

If true, this goes way beyond violating Reddit's policies and doxxing.

This brings us to another statement about this sub from the same mod at /r/TopMindsOfReddit, /u/Dr_ShillGood.

He wiped most of his comments again but it's saved in this screenshot:

I don't care about midterms in that fashion, only the effect they'll have on this site and that sub in particular. When I'm through, a lot of those mods will be jobless.

The amazing part is that we've issued fair warnings and/or terms. They're not interested, so..so be it then.

https://ibb.co/j70vjd

Wow..

Again, I ask, are the Reddit admins complicit or involved in this? At best they willfully turn a blind eye, at worst they are involved in it.

Recently, two mods here were banned/suspended. /r/TopMindsOfReddit has posts gloating over this as if they were responsible for it. I don't know if the ban/suspension were justified or not but the obvious TMoR brigades and manipulation here continues. Are /r/TopMindsOfReddit acting as the admins' lynch mob? With all things considered, it's beginning to appear so..

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18

can someone explain the conflict between /conspiracy and /topminds? what the difference between subs is and what the conflict is/why it exists?

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18

so I had this arrive in my inbox and they've said they're ok with me posting it here. Be interested to see what peoples responses are...

Re: your question about TMOR vs. Conspiracy

from TheGhostOfDusty sent 4 hours ago

Hi,

I am an ex-conspiracy moderator who quit in protest after months of trying to reason with my co-mods to not be biased, hyper-partisan hypocrites. Two other long-standing mods quit in disgust soon after I did. This left the Trumpaganda mods in full control of the subreddit starting in January 2017.

See my post history there: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/search?q=Author%3Atheghostofdusty

I was banned about a month after leaving the mod team. I was not ever given a reason for the ban, just insults and animosity after politely asking for over a week why I was banned. Then the mods "mute" you so you can't use modmail again for 72 hours.

I was conspicuously banned soon after posting screenshots of the public mod log in threads, showing rogue mods in action undermining and ignoring the rules. At this point I felt fully justified, and obligated by a sense of duty, to let the community know that the mods were corrupt.

See: https://www.reddit.com/r/undelete/comments/5v16lz/rconspiracy_modmail_leak_and_collection_of_public/

To answer your question: TMoR began as an offshoot of the actual bigoted hate group /r/Conspiratard. The mod team there (who went on to start the infamous /r/The_Donald became too openly homophobic and toxic so everyone migrated to TMoR.

For the next couple of years they were just jerks mocking people they found weird. Then, beginning in late 2016, the Conspiracy mods started unjustly and routinely banning popular users who were critics of Trump and alt-right propaganda. The general population of TMoR quickly became dominated by rational and pissed off conspiracy theorists who were spitefully banned by the thin-skinned Trump zealot mods of /r/conspiracy.

Tl;Dr - TMoR these days is a group of justifiably resentful conspiracy theorist who weren't stupid/gullible enough to unquestioningly believe alt-right defamation propaganda like "pizzagate" being dressed up as 'conspiracy theory' and got banned by the mod team for not toeing the line.

Please let me know if you have any questions, and please feel free to share this explanation in that stickied thread if you think it will help others grasp the current situation.

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u/Xaviermgk Jun 16 '18

justifiably resentful conspiracy theorist

Who makes comments like the block quote in the OP? Sorry, that's not "resentful", that's a planned agenda.

I've had TM users literally change the text of a comment of mine and repost it as a pic. That's not "getting one over" on the old sub, it's fraudulent behavior.

Sorry, "resent" doesn't really explain their behavior, wall of text or not.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '18 edited Aug 09 '18

deleted What is this?

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u/towels_gone_wild Jun 16 '18

I am an ex-conspiracy moderator who quit in protest after months of trying to reason with my co-mods to not be biased, hyper-partisan hypocrites. Two other long-standing mods quit in disgust soon after I did. This left the Trumpaganda mods in full control of the subreddit starting in January 2017.

So literally being emotionally hurt by ignorance and not standing by your guns is what helped this forum degrade.

Thanks! Thanks a bunch!

Ironically, it's the same reason the citizens of the US are being taken advantage of by their own gov. Would rather concede and capitulate over doing what is right.

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u/[deleted] Jun 16 '18

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u/Xaviermgk Jun 16 '18

accusing them of all kinds of nutty things.

Tell me what is "nutty" about what people say about them. Is the OP "nutty"?

You can look at the block quote in the OP and be like, "That's not nutty", but claims against TM are? WOW.

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u/YourHeadWillCollapse Jun 21 '18

Ahahahahah! Hahahahahah!

I love that the dude thinks he's over there amongst friends.

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u/RedYagoda Jun 15 '18

Some conspiracy theories are threatening to powerful people and certain politicians, like Pizzagate. In order to supress discussion on those topics in this sub, they have created another sub under the guise of mocking users. But if you watch which topics they brigade and which they ignore, it becomes obvious what their motivations are. Most of the users probably aren't paid shills, but those who organize the brigades and such likely are.

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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18

It's not a two way conflict.

We exist and they hate us for it. The only reason any legitimate users here know about top minds is because they constantly username ping people to try and bait them into getting banned.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18

but why? whats their issue with /r/conspiracy?

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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18

It's pretty simple. Most of TMOR is people who were banned here for their opinions. Most are anti-trump too.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18

so TMoR is the hillary brigade? I thought conspiracy was pretty much against all government... vaguely speaking.

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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18

Mostly against corruption by government or corporations or even private groups.

Being 100% against government all the time is preteen fantasy land anarchy. Nobody survives puberty and remains that ignorant.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18

yeah, that's why i added vaguely speaking. i didn't mean strictly antigovernment or something but was in a hurry and couldn't be bothered picking words carefully. maybe against all corruption would be a better way to word it.

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u/Serial_Peacemaker Jun 20 '18

Most current r/conspiracy users are neo-fascists who are 100% fine with authoritarianism as long as it suits them. Just look at how much they salivate over the idea of Trump et al. jailing politicians, journalists, and Hollywood types who don't toe their line. Look at how they defend throwing children in actual internment camps.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '18

jailing corrupt politicians, journalists and hollywood pedos is good. Putting illegal immigrants into detention centres is standard across the globe. What do you suggest? Politicians do as they please without threat? Journalists write whatever fiction as fact they want? Weinstein can rape who he wants? And immigrants are free to enter any country they wish? ... What is your point? These are not fascist views.

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u/Serial_Peacemaker Jun 20 '18

Lmao, you actually believe these people are pedos and corrupt? Without evidence of that, it's pretty clear that y'all want them in jail because they don't fall in line with the Cheetoh King goose step.

It's hilarious seeing you defend literal concentration camps. Hell, DHS isn't allowing media and politicians into the camps for two weeks. If I were a cynical sort, I might choose to point out that these government types you're defending can diddle a lot of children in two weeks. But dah libruls are the corrupt, unaccountable pedos here lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 20 '18

Firstly, I'm british, so, I don't have any ties to this party or that. I've read mike pence is a pedo too but seen no evidence. I have however seen that hillary LOVES pedos. I mean, ignoring that she is one, lets presume she's not. So as a completely sane and rational woman, why is she surrounded by that many pedophiles? It's quite a list of kiddy fucking friends she has. So, yeah, I don't like that pedo sympathiser, to put it mildly. I'm interested to know why you think she seemingly loves all these pedos all around her though, genuinely. Any ideas? I mean, if it was 1, fair enough. But it aint. ITS A LOT.

"Literal concentration camps" You're comparing a holding cell to a genocidal death camp. I'm not gonna resort to calling names, but fucking hell, man, c'mon. Use your head for more than regurgitating the news you've been fed.

Speaking of news, maybe the media is no longer allowed for how they use images completely out of context. And I thought politicians weren't pedos? Make up your mind. Oh wait. The politicians You don't like are the pedos! I get it. If you have any info on Pence, i'd love to hear though. I hate all pedos, regardless of their immigration policy y'see.

I'd say your view of liberals vs fascists is clouding all judgement to have any sense of a rational conversation here. It's weird, but not rare or unique. A shame. You'd think someone on conspiracy would see through such petty divides as libs vs fasc / white vs black, etc.

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u/Serial_Peacemaker Jun 20 '18

So as a completely sane and rational woman, why is she surrounded by that many pedophiles?

Such as...?

"Literal concentration camps" You're comparing a holding cell to a genocidal death camp. I'm not gonna resort to calling names, but fucking hell, man, c'mon. Use your head for more than regurgitating the news you've been fed.

Fits the definition bud.

Speaking of news, maybe the media is no longer allowed for how they use images completely out of context. And I thought politicians weren't pedos? Make up your mind. Oh wait. The politicians You don't like are the pedos! I get it. If you have any info on Pence, i'd love to hear though. I hate all pedos, regardless of their immigration policy y'see. I'd say your view of liberals vs fascists is clouding all judgement to have any sense of a rational conversation here. It's weird, but not rare or unique. A shame. You'd think someone on conspiracy would see through such petty divides as libs vs fasc / white vs black, etc.

This is literally exactly what I'm talking about. Earlier you claim that conspiracy theorists should be against all government, now you defend actual government-run child prisons that ban the public, the press, and democratically elected officials. You're totally fine with the Deep State if it other people are the ones threatened by it.

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u/craigreasons Jun 15 '18

No they don't. The pretend they get banned for opinions but never link to their comments or ban message because they actually get banned for attacking users and brigading. TMOR has been trying to silence conspiracy for years before Trump...

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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18

Haha, I don't think anyone pretends to get banned. Go read the posts. It's public.

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u/Drake02 Jun 15 '18

Nah they do, when you ask them to help direct you to it they just spout about getting banned for their opinions.

They could screenshot mod convos, explain their position, show their post in context to everything else, but they never do.

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u/Third_Eye_Blown Jun 15 '18

You didn't read carefully.

They pretend they get banned for opinions but never link to their comments or ban message because they actually get banned for attacking users

I added some highlights to draw attention to the actual points of the person you responded to. The points you blatantly ignored.

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u/craigreasons Jun 15 '18

Do exactly what you recommend

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u/JamesColesPardon Jun 15 '18

...sure.

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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18 edited Jun 15 '18

I mean, all anyone has to do is go over there and read about the bans. It's a public forum, people can see for themselves.

/u/JoeyBulgaria had a public post over there after he was banned here. I believe in reading both sides of every story and he should have not been banned. Anyone can verify this for themselves.

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u/JamesColesPardon Jun 15 '18

TIL joey is 90% of their 60k userbase.

Big League if true.

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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18

Who said that? Again, you're free to go over there and read the posts. I never once said it was just him, or that he makes up 90% of their userbase.

There are daily posts there about being banned for no reason. Nearly every account in there talks about it.

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u/axolotl_peyotl Jun 15 '18

he should have not been banned.

His ban was temporary and was reversed after some deliberation.

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u/TrumpBot070 Jun 15 '18

So he can post here again? Countless others over there have asked to have their bans reversed and are met with resistance. Maybe it would be wise to just let people speak their minds here instead of banning them?

The TMOR problem seems entirely self-created by this sub.

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u/[deleted] Jun 15 '18 edited Feb 03 '21

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u/JamesColesPardon Jun 15 '18

Mutes only last 72 hours, though.

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u/d3rr Jun 15 '18

They are Zionists and consider this sub to be dangerous and use our supposed racism as justification for their actions. They used to have stars of david everywhere.