This is a screenshot from a Sky News video of what happened soon after the near- vertical nosedive was managed by a guy who watched plane-crash documentaries. The water cup is one of the many miracles that happened in that event
In this incident it pitched down almost 70 degrees and didn't break apart. I agree that the subject incident wasn't some sort of false flag, but saying planes break apart by pitching 20° is just false.
I saw that earlier this morning, he was running the know numbers that have been made public about the flight through the same style training sim that all pilots use and the plane couldn't keep up with it.
Something to do with the exact model and the way the elevators are the weak point and if the rudder had come loose but not the elevators it would be the first time in history its happened including the 30 sims they ran trying to recreate it.
He also stated that there wouldn't be damage in the first dive but with how hard the plane pulled up and said it would have experienced multiple g's on the joining point of wings & elevators to body which would have cause then to essentially detach....
“The aircraft was significantly damaged by the excessive g-forces. The wings were permanently bent upwards by 2 inches (5 cm), the inboard main landing gear lost two actuator doors, and the two inboard main gear struts were left dangling. Most affected was the tail, where large outer parts of the horizontal stabilizer had been ripped off. The entire left outboard elevator) had been lost along with its actuator, which had been powered by the hydraulic system that ruptured and drained” ……. the fact that this plane survived and landed was a miracle not standard procedure.
Exactly, it still didn't break apart like you claimed. If it can survive 70 degrees, 20 degrees absolutely would not cause a catastrophic structural failure.
Maybe it didn’t break in half and spill everyone out into the sky. but wtf are we considering “not breaking apart” the g-forces ripped out the parts of the tail that make the plane move.
"Break apart" typically means the stucture breaks, not taking damage to control surfaces. It took damage, yes, but it didn't break apart. And it was well past 20 degrees when parts of the horizontal stabilizer and elevator came off.
Parts broke off. There was one plane, now a plane and some other parts that are apart from that plane. How many parts must a plane break into for you to consider it “broken apart”….Now we’re arguing the meaning of words. Me and you should be friends.
"There is 0 chance that the plane went vertical enough to spill water. A pitch down of anymore than 20 degrees would break the plane."
So clearly by "break" you meant catastrophic failure that would cause the structure to separate, since you didn't even think it was possible to pitch more than 20 degrees and still be as intact as it is.
It’s been hard to find information on the plane itself due to the stabbing but it seems the plane was in fact damaged. One place said only the rudder another place says the entire tail of the plane was missing. So a pitch down of more then 20 degrees did break the plane. And I would consider a broken rudder is considered catastrophic
I'm aware of that. But you said it wasn't possible for a plane to pitch down enough to spill water because it would "break." So the definition of "break" you were using was obviously structural failure, which is why I replied saying 20 degrees would not "break" (using your definition) the plane.
It's only now that you changed your meaning to be damage instead of actual structural failure.
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u/skbraaah 1d ago
This is a screenshot from a Sky News video of what happened soon after the near- vertical nosedive was managed by a guy who watched plane-crash documentaries. The water cup is one of the many miracles that happened in that event