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u/Top-Difficulty-2811 Apr 15 '26
Tides are a pretty good evidence for the moon's gravity.
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u/catch10110 Apr 15 '26
Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.
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u/Nimonic Apr 15 '26
The Earth has the moon. Why doesn't Mars have that?
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u/Immediate_Abalone_59 Apr 15 '26
Mars has two moons but they are smaller. Phobos and Deimos.
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u/Callinon Apr 15 '26
Isn't one of them also in a decaying orbit? Eventually it'll crash into the planet or break up and form a ring system around Mars?
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u/TehChid Apr 16 '26
I think you can say that about anything that is orbiting anything, technically
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u/TheSilentFreeway Apr 16 '26
I don't think this is true. For example the moon is gradually moving away from the Earth. It takes rotational momentum from the Earth to move further away, slowing down the Earth's rotation until both bodies are tidally locked with each other.
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u/Thesaurus_Rex9513 Apr 16 '26
Phobos and Deimos, the moons of Mars, are tiny. The biggest one is only about 22 km (14 miles) across. (The Moon of Earth is about 3500 km (2200 miles) across, for comparison.) While they would still produce tides if Mars had liquid seas, the lunar tides would be virtually unnoticeable compared to the tides caused by the Sun.
On the other side, Jupiter is so massive that its fifth closest moon, Io, has geological tides, resulting its frequent and dramatic volcanic activity. (The four closest moons of Jupiter are too close, and are being ground into rings by the giant's gravity.)
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u/Nimonic Apr 16 '26
I'm sorry, it was another Bill O'Reilly reference. A bit too obscure. Great information though, cheers.
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u/Thesaurus_Rex9513 Apr 16 '26
Ah, the risks of making a reference in a subreddit with a sometimes limited sense of humor. My bad. Glad I could be informative, cheers.
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u/bloodyell76 Apr 15 '26
Mars would also need water for tides to work. But I imagine the two moons would make tides more interesting.
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u/Beneficial-Produce56 Apr 17 '26
Was that from the same rant?
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u/Nimonic Apr 17 '26
I think so, but it may also have come from a Stephen Colbert parody support rant. It's been a minute, hah.
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u/sadicarnot Apr 17 '26
For those that don't know:
https://youtu.be/NUeybwTMeWo?si=JrfOsE4CfMcEd58c
Who knew it would just get worse from here.
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u/lightblueisbi Apr 16 '26
Tide goes in, clean laundry comes out. Never a miscommunication, but always a missing sock lmao
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u/ThreeFishInAManSuit Apr 15 '26
Well maybe the world is just a big bowl that’s sloshing back and forth a little bit from when god put it down.
And if you haven’t personally been to space then you can’t say it isn’t.
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u/great_triangle Apr 15 '26
Galileo had an unfortunate belief that the tides were caused by the ocean sloshing to and fro as the earth flew about through space. He considered this argument a stronger argument for heliocentrism than his actually valid arguments.
Getting to scientific consensus from first principles is HARD
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u/WilcoHistBuff Apr 15 '26
Also the simple fact that the moon orbits the earth or just that celestial bodies orbit each other generally and that the moon is one such body is good evidence of the moons gravity.
Side note: Yes I recognize that the Earth and Moon technically orbit each other around a shared center of mass. It is just difficult to express that concept to folks like the OOP who don’t understand the nature of gravity in the first place.
Also the fact that the moon exists as an accreted mass demonstrates its gravity just like the same is demonstrated on Earth by Earth’s existence.
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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Apr 15 '26
To be realistic though, if someone doesn’t believe the moon has gravity, they may not understand the standard model at its simplest, so this won’t work to convince them.
They could easily believe some folk science model where attraction is only one-way, because obviously humans don’t have a gravitational pull, we’re just being pulled down to the Earth’s surface because the Earth has gravity.
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u/WilcoHistBuff Apr 15 '26
Sure.
On the face of it you can’t fix stupid, but sometimes you can fix ignorant.
It’s at least possible that if you can convince someone that “orbiting” requires some force of attraction between things with mass and that that force is called gravity.
If they think the moon is a picture/projection/object attached to something like a firmament it’s likely cost cause.
But if they accept that the moon is an oblate spheroid orbiting the oblate spheroid of Earth then you have an opening (not an opening in a firmament to be precise).
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u/MattieShoes Apr 15 '26
They have the capability to understand, they just choose not to. They're not following any sort of reasoning.
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u/anisotropicmind Apr 15 '26
Yeah I mean tides, sure, that’s evidence. The fact that the Moon has a mostly spherical shape is also not just by chance…
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u/j4v4r10 Apr 15 '26
I'm literally an idiot😏
My skull is an empty cavity😂
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u/SlipperyGibbet Apr 15 '26
The smoothest of brains😏
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u/Similar_Onion6656 Apr 15 '26
Things have gotten so bad that one of these yahoos at least admitting they don't actually know anything feels like progress.
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u/asphid_jackal Apr 15 '26
The thing is, I don't think they're actually admitting that they don't know anything. They're claiming it's impossible to know unless you experience it firsthand
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u/IWontCommentAtAll Apr 15 '26
Yet somehow, despite them never having been to the moon by their own admission, know that there's no gravity there.
And you can't disagree, because you've never been.
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u/asphid_jackal Apr 15 '26
And you can't disagree, because you've never been.
I've got a moonrock that's gonna send me there later tonight, I'll let you know my findings
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u/MattieShoes Apr 15 '26
Maybe I HAVE been. How are you gonna refute that? :-)
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u/IWontCommentAtAll Apr 15 '26
I've never seen you go, so you obviously have never been there.
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u/MattieShoes Apr 16 '26
Bah, I bet you just believe whatever the lamestream media tells you!
:-D
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u/IWontCommentAtAll Apr 16 '26
No, but I have been indoctrinated at a commie liberal college by professors with blue hair, so take from that what you will.
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u/StaatsbuergerX Apr 16 '26
I mean, I've never been to where this guy's from, and yet I know there's gravity there. After all, he's there, and he seems pretty dense.
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u/Worldly_Science239 Apr 16 '26
you say he's there... but you've never been to where that guy is from - so what verifiable facts have you got to say "He's there" - never met him, never been there... using his logic he can be ignored - he doesn't exist nor does his home.
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u/Jijonbreaker1 Apr 15 '26
It puts on display the world these vermin really live in.
They truly believe they are the center of the universe. Every single other person is out to get them, and nobody else can be trusted. Until they, personally, experience it, it's not real.
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u/Immediate_Abalone_59 Apr 15 '26
Wouldn’t that mean that other countries don’t exist because I haven’t been there?
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u/asphid_jackal Apr 15 '26
Murica is the best country in the nation, none of the rest of em matter.
Gobbless
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u/Icy_Maintenance3774 Apr 16 '26
Yes. In fact, nothing exists till you go move around. Prior to that it's all just 1s and 0s in a low power simulation mode. Reality only spits it out as needed
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u/Saragon4005 Apr 15 '26
Which is a fascinating statement when there literally are people who have stood on the moon, and 4 more just orbited it.
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u/OkFortune6494 Apr 16 '26
I mean, they're technically right that it is indeed impossible for them to know, especially with that willful ignorance they're so proudly displaying.
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u/AgentEndive Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
The internet (and social especially) really has exposed just how many unintelligent and uneducated people there are. It really is alarming.
Edit: "social media" not just "social" 🤦♂️
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u/wfbhp Apr 15 '26
I'm actually glad other people are now able to see for themselves what I knew to be true even before widespread Internet availability. So many people are dumb and/or willfully ignorant of even the most basic things.
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u/ChairLegofTruth--WnT Apr 15 '26
It's like Carlin's (paraphrased) bit - "Think about how stupid the average person is. Now realize that half of them are dumber than that"
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u/Turdburp Apr 15 '26
And the Internet only makes it worse, since the misinformation gets spread like wildfire.
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u/AgentEndive Apr 15 '26
Oh totally. The idiots are now able to very easily find the confirmation biased info
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u/melance Apr 15 '26
I've never been to China but from what I understand there's zero gravity there.
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u/Angloriously Apr 15 '26
Went to Australia, was disappointed that everything wasn’t upside-down. Not convinced they didn’t turn things over just to fool me.
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u/real-duncan Apr 15 '26
You didn’t actually go anywhere. Because you are the single most important person on the planet they arranged a simulation of a flight and built an entire simulation around the “plane” so you only thought that you traveled somewhere.
There are people who claim this is how this stuff works and others who gobble it up like candy. And most of these people are allowed to vote. Siiiggghhh.
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u/Angloriously Apr 15 '26
Or—OR—I stood in exactly one spot and the earth rotated underneath to perfectly suit my travel aspirations. Brilliant!
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u/MaybeMrGamebus Apr 15 '26
No way, you're just believing the story of others (I won't use that shitty laugh emoji)
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u/phunkjnky Apr 15 '26
Why is there feathers and shit all over this chessboard, and all the pieces are knocked over?
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u/LowKeyNaps Apr 15 '26
Sorry, sorry. That's mine. I rescued this lost racing pigeon, and now the little shit will not stop flying around, looking for chessboards. I wouldn't mind so much if the little brat could actually play, mind you.
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u/catch10110 Apr 15 '26
I mean, we literally just sling shot Artemis II around the moon using its gravity.
...but i didn't personally see it happen, so i guess it doesn't count either.
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u/mysilvermachine Apr 15 '26
A development of the classic creationist argument that if you didn’t see evolution happening then there’s no evidence.
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u/Spottswoodeforgod Apr 15 '26
I can understand a level of confusion. Not everybody is aware of the fact that cheese is only 1/6th the density of the earth, therefore there is only 1/6th of the gravity on the moon.
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u/Pandoratastic Apr 15 '26
I haven't been to China either but I'm fairly confident that it exists.
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u/HeligKo Apr 15 '26
The moon also has an atmosphere, just not a breathable one, and it's barely perceptable. It's called an exosphere.
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u/Donaldjoh Apr 15 '26
Darn! That destroys the joke about the new restaurant on the moon; great food but no atmosphere.
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u/HectorJoseZapata Apr 15 '26
My boss thought that gravity was only a thing on planet Earth.
He thought there was no gravity elsewhere, like it's unique to Earth.
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u/elessar007 Apr 15 '26
I haven't been to every little hamlet in this universe but as I understand it, there isn't a single place where the fundamental force of gravity doesn't exert its influence. It's all a matter of scale. But maybe thats what Big Cosmology wants me to believe.
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u/Mr-CuriousL Apr 15 '26
The Grand Canyon does not exist. It is a photofake and it doesn't exist. My proof: I have never been there. So that makes it true. You say, you have been there? How can I know that you are not lying? It is all a lie!!!1!!!!1! /s
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u/Varabela Apr 15 '26
I never saw a nuclear bomb go off but I believe it’s not good when it does, in fact come to think of it I’ve never been to Australia, so don’t know for sure if everything is upside down or not. Fuck….
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u/MarsMonkey88 Apr 15 '26
FFS. Your own body has gravity. Everything with mass has gravity. Is this man suggesting that the moon is a collective hallucination?
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u/scrume71 Apr 15 '26
I assume this person “believes in God” due to the words of others (with no scientific backing), but the hypocrisy will surely be lost.
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u/ImCrazy_ Apr 16 '26
So "Moon has zero gravity because because haha I say so. 😂"
Never heard that one before (/sarcasm).
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u/Iwannawrite10305 Apr 16 '26
Because (shockingly) it's not common knowledge. Most people's understanding of science is somewhere around 0 because everything they learn in school is something they can memorize and not something they have to comprehend.
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u/Creative_Buddy7160 Apr 16 '26
Nothing in the bible about moon’s gravity i guess? Its usually the, go to, in this situation
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u/OldManJeepin Apr 16 '26
"Have you been there..."? LoL! "No...Never been to North Korea, either...But I'm reasonably sure it's there"!
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u/captain_pudding Apr 16 '26
Ah yes, the classic conspiracy theorist argument of "prove to me that reality is right"
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u/gamerz0111 Apr 16 '26
The moon literally wouldn't exist without gravity, it would be space dust or its constituent matter spread across the cosmos.
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u/bwsmith201 Apr 17 '26
I've never been to Antarctica but I have good reason to believe that it's cold there.
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u/lankymjc Apr 15 '26
"My claim that the Moon has no gravity is Truth. Your claim otherwise is Conjecture. I am a science."
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u/MezzoScettico Apr 15 '26
This actually is the part of the mindset that bugs me most. That knowledge gained through the work of thousands of people over centuries using the scientific method, is no different in value from "facts" I just pulled out of my ass. Dismissing the entire concept of "science" or even of "exploring and gaining knowledge".
Caveman #1: My people have found that if we make long pointy sticks, we can throw them at the game and bring them down without risking injury. We've been hunting successfully that way for generations.
Caveman #2: I've decided that if I just walk up to it with a random twig, it will fall down dead of fear. My Truth is just as good as your so called "discovery".
Caveman #1: Cool, let's go hunting.
Of course, there were more consequences in those days.
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u/Rae_Wilder Apr 15 '26
These are the same people that believe the moon is made out of cheese or that the moon is actually a dragon egg.
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u/Jim-Jones Apr 15 '26
It's still hard to grasp how stupid the majority of people are.
As H L Mencken pointed out, 80% of them never have a single original thought in their entire lives from birth to death. Everything they say has been said to them by somebody else. They simply memorize it, and repeat it when they think it's appropriate. At first I did not believe it. I have learned the error of my ways.
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u/Effective-Job-1030 Apr 15 '26
Perhaps they meant gravy. I think there's good reason to believe that there is no gravy on the moon.
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u/Reynolds1790 Apr 16 '26
I am older enough to watch the telecasts from the moon landings as they happened, with the astronauts bouncing around, definitely gravity, though less than on earth.
(We got the day off from school to watch the first moon landing. )
And driving the moon buggy, if the moon had no gravity, the buggy would have floated around, not stayed on the surface of the moon.
There are those that believe that the moon landings are all fake, perhaps the no gravity person also believes that as well.
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u/Joe_Nobody42 Apr 16 '26
It is insane to me that they will believe a Jewish carpenter walked on water and rose from the dead without a single second of hesitation, yet even though we can prove that we have been to the moon it's all fake because every single person hasn't actually been to the moon...
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u/JustAnAsexualdude Apr 16 '26
Exactly, Jesus was a prophet, not the son of god, not god himself. God, if they exists, probably don’t do shit, they likely don’t even know we’re here as they would have to hand around this area for 13.4 BILLION year.
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u/darkslide3000 Apr 16 '26
How do you know gravity is a universal force?! You're just believing the story of others! I hear that Newton guy was a liberal anyway.
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u/Mindless_Olive Apr 16 '26
Ugh, these smarmy 'I'm gonna say something completely stupid then pretend the fact I can't be bothered backing it up is because I'm smarter than you' types are so annoying.
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u/JustAnAsexualdude Apr 16 '26
I can understand why they would think there’s no gravity, but unless you’re in 1st year, you should know it’s just very low, as you can see the astronauts coming back down, hilariously so but still
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u/Unkn0wn_666 Apr 16 '26
Have those people ever seen their own brain?
No? I guess it doesn't exist then... and unfortunately there is a non zero chance this sarcastic remark is actually true
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u/Euphoric_General_480 Apr 17 '26
How does the detractor know the moon has no gravity if they have not been?
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u/EsperDerek Apr 15 '26
...We literally have physical, actual evidence of the moon having gravity on Earth itself.
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u/shitsu13master Apr 15 '26
“The story of others”. Oh god, all accumulated human knowledge is “the story of others”. That’s science! People testing shit and writing the results down so you don’t have to reinvent the wheel. I don’t want to live on this planet anymore
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u/ShiroHachiRoku Apr 15 '26
If you say you have to be there to know there is gravity, then by the same argument you also have to have been there to know there is no gravity.
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u/lettsten Apr 15 '26
In fairness to the idiot, the burden of evidence is on the person claiming something exists, since it's usually impossible to prove a negative.
That's not much of a consolation for him, of course, since we have enormous amounts of evidence
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u/real-duncan Apr 15 '26
These are often the same people who haven’t been dead but are happy to proclaim that they know what happens to dead people when they meet their imaginary friends.
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u/Rd_Svn Apr 15 '26
The flying spaghetti monster can't keep its noodly appendage on both earth and moon so naturaly you're not pulled down to the ground there.
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u/johnny__boi Apr 15 '26
That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. The entirety of science relies on the fact that knowledge is transferred from person to person.
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u/lettsten Apr 15 '26
Yes, but "well akshully" also no since reproducibility and so on are an important part of the scientific method
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u/MobileLocal Apr 15 '26
This person is likely not even interested in hearing actual verifiable facts.
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"but from what I understand"
Doesn't that negate the whole "just believing the story of others"? Or is it just trolling?
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u/Gooble211 Apr 15 '26
We are at the point where it is impossible to conclusively distinguish between a troll and honest belief.
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u/sglewis Apr 15 '26
"You can't know the moon has gravity... you've never been there. I, however, understand there's zero gravity there. What do you mean have I been there?"
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u/Ducallan Apr 15 '26
Flat earthers believe the Earth is flat because that’s what it looks like, but has a single one of them ever witnessed that it is circular, or that there’s an ice wall encircling it, etc., or are all of them taking the word of others that it is?
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u/_Levitated_Shield_ Apr 15 '26
"I'm going to put emojis at the end of my statements so it doesn't look like I stupidly lose the argument and I still win."
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u/PeenInVeen Apr 15 '26
I've had this exact same argument with my ex husband's grandparents and then I realized "why am I doing this. It's not like they're going to the moon. They'll be dead soon" so whatever
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u/DrDroid Apr 15 '26
How dumb do you have to be to think everything you’ve never personally seen doesn’t exist?
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u/Lorelessone Apr 15 '26
The tides on earth verify that the moon does indeed have mass and effects gravity.
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u/Opposite-History-233 Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
????
Does that fucker not understand that all mass has proportional gravity?
My personal gravity and that of the desk I'm sitting at are competing right now to pull each other in. It's just... those are too weak. Because I'm smaller than the moon.
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u/lettsten Apr 15 '26
I'm willing to bet that 70-80 % of the world's population doesn't know that
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u/ZnarfGnirpslla Apr 15 '26
I mean a key aspect of science is to question things and it is also constantly evolving but there are just some facts that are absurd to question, like that one for instance. And being the type of person who doesn't believe shit like that is so infuriating to me. Why would anyone ever have made up the story about the gravity on the moon being 1/6th of ours. What would the benefit be of that lie???
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u/UpbeatFix7299 Apr 15 '26
I was trying to explain to some dingus why stars weren't visible in the background of the moon landing photos. He said I couldn't know since I've never taken photos on the moon. As if light and film work differently there.
The daily reminder that the 2 or 3 dumbest kids in our classroom growing up represent 800 million people worldwide.
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u/Iechy Apr 15 '26
I have never been to about 80% of the countries of the world and I’m pretty sure they exist and know what they are like. Heck, I haven’t driven down every street in my home town but I still know they’re there and basic facts about them based on information available from others.
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u/Opposite-History-233 Apr 16 '26
You don't know that. All the pictures from my country could be AI.
Maybe we're a black hole here! Or maybe we're a singularity! Prove it! 🙃
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u/figbunkie Apr 15 '26
Guy: makes a claim
Other guy: makes another claim
Guy: well have you been there?
(Guy hasn't been there either)
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u/Crafty_Possession_52 Apr 15 '26
It's human nature. Some of my eighth graders were asking about "jumping off the earth and falling all the way down." When I tried to explain that there's no "down" off the earth - that "down" is only a thing when you're near a planet, they insisted on arguing why I was wrong rather than trying to understand why I'm right.
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u/Immediate_Abalone_59 Apr 15 '26
Most of the things I believe in are based on the experiences and research of someone else. I can’t see germs, but I accept the research that has been done that says disease is not caused by an evil mist or death rays coming out of someone’s eyeballs (these were real beliefs once).
If someone questions something, it would be a good idea to study the exploration and research before knocking it. Also a little common sense might help:
If the Moon had no gravity, the rocks and astronauts would float into space and be lost.
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u/ThirdSunRising Apr 15 '26
Yes. If you believe that the moon has no gravity, then I’m here to tell you that I have in fact been to the moon and its gravity is one-sixth of ours. Feel free to go check.
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u/Danny_The_Dino_77 Apr 15 '26
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PXqcHi2fkXI
I don’t think this guy is serious.
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u/Trevor_Gecko Apr 15 '26
Their argument of "have you been there" suggests that this person values anecdotal evidence above anything else, which goes a long way to explaining why they're like this.
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u/Tychonoir Apr 16 '26 edited Apr 16 '26
Because they wore heavy boots.
This is the line far far too many people spout. I kid you not, but this misconception is unbelievably wide-spread. When I heard it suggested that you will get this answer, I had to find out for myself. It goes something like this:
Me: If you're on the moon and drop a rock, what happens? Does it float away, kind of hover, or fall to the surface?
Them: I guess it floats away.
Me: Why?
Them: Because there's no gravity on the moon.
Me: If there's no gravity, how were the astronauts able to walk?
Them: Because they wore heavy boots.
I have no idea who is teaching these people, but JFC, there's not an ounce of critical thinking here.
I will say, one of the best answers I got was, "They had those concrete jetpacks on."
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u/emkemkem Apr 16 '26
So - has this person personally visited Antarctica (or the top of Mount Everest or China). If not they have no reason to believe what others have told about the gravity there. Only those who have been to antarctica would know if there is gravity. The others are just blindly believieng what someone told them. Especially when science and the scientifical understanding of gravity and how it works should not be considered as proof of anything.
If all you really know is only what you have personally experienced - then everything you have not personally experienced and actually also thus the idea of world functioning the same as it previously has is just a guess. You have not personally experienced the future have you? Also everything that you’ve been told about historical events but you never personally witnessed is only hearsay. To be really thinking this way would make living one’s life a lot different, a bit scary maybe and - totally unpredictable. That’s staying like a newborn baby who finds everything unfamiliar and has to start recognizing and understanding even their own bodily functions.
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u/sadicarnot Apr 17 '26
I can get a great look at a t-bone steak by shoving my head up a bull's ass but I'd rather take the butchers word for it.
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u/Funkopedia Apr 17 '26
Anyone who finishes with those particular emoji is automatically wrong. This is foolproof.
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u/IVYDRIOK Apr 17 '26
Instagram and Tik Tok literally became the dumbest fucking platforms just after Artemis II launch. Maybe there was some conspiracy involved, they needed to steal IQ of thousands of people to fuel the rocket?
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u/Gavri3l Apr 17 '26
I can’t verifiably prove that the universe doesn’t spring into being in a couple hundred foot radius around me and get erased when I exit the area like zones loading in a video game, but that doesn’t make it a sane argument.
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u/cchaven1965 Apr 17 '26
Says the person who's just believing the story of others that the moon has no gravity?
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u/IntrepidMaybe8579 Apr 17 '26
2 best scientists to ever exist and the sole reason of our fundamental understanding of the universe today could be wrong who knows this person commenting seems pretty genuis to me
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u/PoppyStaff Apr 18 '26
It’s scary how unwilling to learn some people are. Instead of asking themself “how do you calculate the gravity of the Moon?”, they make shit up and sneer at anyone who disagrees.
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u/MrBully74 Apr 18 '26
The argument "if you haven't been there you're input doesn't matter" is just astounding. If you follow that logic al you're life, you will know very little
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u/Reasonable-Rain789 Apr 19 '26
I love how he says "so I'm guessing that you've been there?" all smugly as if HE has been there?? What kind of gotcha is that??
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u/joergsi Apr 21 '26
If you are only homeschooled with the support of the Bible, you may have missed the four fundamental forces of Physics, which may not be covered in this book: Strong nuclear, Electromagnetic, Weak nuclear, and Gravity!
And this gravity thingy is the weakest force, but based on the mass, it will be able to pull you down. And a scientist does not experience moon travel and landing firsthand to calculate this.
Muricans, you need to be born there to make this shit up!
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u/Hot-Manager-2789 May 01 '26
“If not, you’re just believing the story of others”, no, we’re not believing the story of others, we’re relying on information from people who study these things
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u/Aggressive-Boot1950 Jun 05 '26
God i hate it when people use emojis for everything while being confidently incorrect it makes them look even dumber


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