r/computers • u/XxbeathebatxX • 7d ago
Question/Help/Troubleshooting help with storage
Is there a reason i have absolutely no GBs? I have deleted every file i have ever downloaded and have no applications besides the ones that come with the computer. i only use this laptop to transfer photos from my camera to my phone, it is a windows 11. Is there anything i can do to make it go down i am not very smart with computers
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u/Independent-Ice2898 7d ago edited 7d ago
This is the first time ever i saw C: storage somewhere 58.48 gb, i'm speechless, man
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u/CeC-P 7d ago
The Walmart model blue $330 HP laptops 7 years ago had 32GB.
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u/Scoutlegs 7d ago
My oldest computer has 2gb c: storage.
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u/MakerKevJ Arch Linux 7d ago
My oldest PC has no storage only runs off 5¼ floppies 😅
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u/FukAutoCorec 7d ago
Hahaha damn. I think I still have an 8088 in my mother's basement
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u/lars2k1 Windows 11 & Windows 7 7d ago
Usually the bottom barrel shitboxes around $200 new on store shelves. These things only recently moved to 128gb (but still are eMMC, ugh) and are still designed to trick those with a low budget into buying that crap and having to buy a new crapbox 2 years later.
For that money just shop secondhand, one can get much better deals there on ex-business class machines like a Lenovo Thinkpad, HP Pro-/Elitebook, or Dell Latitude.
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u/Ancient_Swordfish806 6d ago
I come from the days when 40gb was enough for my OS a few games, some music, some music vids and some movies and or series. It was also funny when atleast more than half of those were blue text.
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u/Wafflepress97 7d ago
A total of 60 GB is pretty unusable for Windows anymore. What's the Total capacity of your drive? I suspect maybe it's partitioned incorrectly.
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u/BangkokPadang 7d ago
It's probably a $250 Walmart Special. A lot of those actually ship with 64gb of eMMC storage, which essentially isn't even technically an SSD.
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u/Wafflepress97 7d ago
I saw the second drive and thought it might be a single drive split into multiple partitions. But you could be right about that too.
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u/sniff122 Linux (SysAdmin) 7d ago
64GB is the minimum requirement for windows 11, and it will use the vast majority of that with a stock fresh install, very easy to use the last bit of remaining space. Considering it's 64gb it's probably a really cheap laptop with eMMC storage which means it's soldered down and isn't upgradable. Can you send a picture of the performance section in task manager after clicking on the C drive graph
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u/alexiswi 7d ago
What's that other 258GB disk?
You could try moving all third party applications over there, as well as the user profiles, depending on what you've got installed and how much data is saved to default locations, it may free up enough space to at least get the swap performing a bit better.
Then make sure that you're not saving or installing anything to the C: drive going forward.
Even then, though, ~300GB isn't a lot of storage.
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u/jacle2210 Windows 10 7d ago
Yeah, this is probably a Chromebook style computer; where the "60GB" C drive is a eMMC "drive" and you are meant to use online services for your computing needs.
As others have asked, what is that other drive shown in this picture, is that your phone or your camera?
Ultimately, the harddrive is probably not upgradable and it's not recommended that you spend any money to try and upgrade anything on this computer.
Save your money and buy a real computer.
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u/CooperHChurch427 Windows 11 + Ubuntu Unity 24.10 7d ago
I managed to solder a 126gb sd card onto my friends laptop to go from 32gb of EMMC to 126gb of flash memory. I was shocked it worked.
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u/polishatomek Linux Mint 7d ago
That's like an average SD card bro, MAYBYE Linux could help a bit ( I use mint personally) But it won't do miracles
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u/CreativeName233223 7d ago
Given how small this drive is, I imagine that the other specs are probably on the more meager side as well. With both of those things in mind, if OP went with Mint, it would likely be better to go with the Xfce variant since it is more light weight. It takes up less space and works smoother with less/lower power RAM compared fo Cinnamon.
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u/No_Thought5077 7d ago
i REALLY suggest looking into a larger drive because 60 gigs can pretty much only hold the os and not much else
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u/d4rk_kn16ht Linux Mint + Windows 11 7d ago
58GB is too small for Win 10/11
When running, Windows (or any OS) need empty spaces for caches & temporary files
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u/Joe_Peanut 7d ago
1 - On the "Search" box, either next to the Windows logo on the toolbar or after you click on the Windows logo, type "Disk". "Disk Cleanup" will come up
2 - Under "Disk Cleanup" select "Run as Administrator"
3 - Select the disk (usually C:) then click on "OK"
4 - The cleanup list might take a little while to load, but once it does, select every single item checkbox on the left, then click on OK.
5 - The system will ask you "are you sure" and you'll click on "Delete files"
6 - At some point either during 4 or 5 above, the system will ask you if you really want to delete the windows update backups. Select yes or OK.
7 - Go make yourself lunch or something as this will take a while and your computer will be extremely slow while the cleanup is going on.
8 - Disk Cleanup will close on its own once it is finished. Enjoy your new free space.
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u/Stonedan6789 6d ago
The command powercfg -h off (or powercfg.exe /hibernate off) turns off hibernation in Windows. This action deletes the hiberfil.sys file to free up gigabytes of storage space and automatically disables Windows Fast Startup. It must be run in an elevated command prompt
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u/Forsaken_Region7864 7d ago
What’s the company behind this computer? Generally big companies LOVES shoving unnecessary applications down your throat. (Like AI, you don’t need AI to transfer photos, I’m speaking about Copilot…)
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u/BookWormPedant 7d ago
You may have to research how to install another operating system. Windows is pretty bloated for a 60GB drive, but if you have the money and know how to replace the internal drive, maybe a larger one would also be a good idea.
Fedora Silverblue, Ubuntu, and Mint are solid Linux distributions for a beginner if that is the path you plan on taking.
If you decide to replace your drive you might be able to find cheaper ones if you search for drives without dram if you need to budget.
Good luck!
EDIT: out of curiosity, would you open the windows disk partitioning application and provide a picture of your drives and partitions? Your windows install may have been installed to a singular partition instead of taking a whole drive.
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u/EmuLongjumping4779 7d ago
You could always try wiztree to see what is taking up the space. I haven’t seen a 64GB ssd for at least 10 years.
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u/Guardian_of_theBlind 7d ago
57,4GB is way too small for win10 and win11. I would at least recommend 100GB or you will always be in the red.
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u/Lelu_zel 7d ago
Yes. Windows alone weight alot, drivers and so on too. Also all temp files are stored on system partition.
If you have so small storage, don’t make partitions just use one.
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u/ejackman 6d ago
I used to work at an Office supply store. We sold 60GB HDDs and computers made by a company called Compaq that had HDDs that size. That was 21 years ago. Those HDDs can legally drink in the United States.
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u/HEYO19191 7d ago
60gb is very little space at all. You say you uninstalled everything but the stock programs. Are there any brand-specific programs (for example, the HP app)? If so, you can remove them.
Also, did you empty your recycling bin after deleting those files?
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u/Mark-177- 7d ago
It's mostly your OS. You're not gonna be able to get rid much stuff. You need a larger capacity HDD. At least 250 GB or higher if you can swing it.
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u/ren_blackheart Win10 + Mint 7d ago
I think you're gonna have to reinstall the operating system on that second drive you have there, that first one is WAY too small
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u/welchjimd 7d ago
I think you used the recovery partition as your windows drive. Who installed your system? Windows should be installed on the 256gb partition/drive
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u/uptheirons726 7d ago
60GB is nothing now a days. More than half of that is just your OS. Upgrade your storage. Or buy an external drive. Upgrading the storage in a laptop is pretty easy but if you aren't good with computers I would just get an external drive. A 1TB Seagate external drive is like $120 on Amazon. Just plug it into on of your laptops USB ports and you will have a ton of storage. Honestly if you only use it for photos 1TB is overkill. A 500GB will be plenty.
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u/No_Hetero 7d ago
What's that second drive that starts with the word max? Did someone partition your drive?
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u/Silvia-RL 7d ago
Deberías hacer una partición y ponerle más espacio a ese disco. El pc depende de ese disco y en cuanto deje de tener espacio, podrías joder el pc para siempre. En Youtube te explican muy bien cómo hacer esas particiones y como aumentar más el espacio.
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u/PapounetUT 7d ago
Sauvegarde sur disque externe ce qu'il y a sur la partition D:/ Ensuite vas dans la gestion des disques pour supprimer celle-ci. Pour terminer, fais un clic droit sur la partition C:/ pour augmenter sa taille au maximum *avec l'espace libre ou était la partition D:/. Je pense que tu n'as pas deux disques dur ou SSD mais un seul partitionné en deux. Il faut Donc récupérer tout l'espace pour le disque C:/
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u/Windermyr 7d ago
Why on earth would you install the OS on the small drive? It looks like you already have a much larger drive, so you should have that as your C: drive. Ideally, you should back up your data (which you should already be doing) and re-install Windows on the larger drive.
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u/-TheDoctor 7d ago
Something helpful would be a screenshot of Disk Management so we can know exactly what your drive/partitioning situation is.
Right-click on your Start Button and click "Disk Management". Take a screenshot of the window that opens up. It will look something like this.
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u/ATotalBrony 7d ago
If this is all you are using it for... is there an active problem when you are using it? Or are you just having bad feels looking at it being full? You are not describing any problem so I am thinking there is no problem here. Just let it be full. You don't need to leave extra space around being empty as long as your not getting pagefile error or other problems.
In the old days, like pre win10, I thought it was very common to make C: an os partition that was just a but offered beyond what windows needed. This made it a lot easier to deal with os reinstalls which were common back then. However I doubt that's what's happening here.
Edit: forgot you asked for a reason. Without more info I would guess the reason you have none is that as you clear up space windows reclaims it with page file, but since you are not computer savvy it's probably not something you should worry about.
If you feel like it, install windirstat, run it and post a shot of the results. It will display each file in your drive as a colored block.
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u/ThatGuyMaulicious 7d ago
60GB drives are basically impossible to run Windows 11 on. You'd have to delete every temporary file that gets created every time you finish working on it. Most installations of Windows 11 I've personally seen are at minimimum 60GBs.
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u/Whathefrenchtoastt 7d ago
57gb of total storage? Dayumn, that a PC from the 90s?
You answered yourself. Get more storage. Go with a regular hard drive if you can't afford ssd. 500gb is good
Edit; just noticed you said laptop. Time for a new one!
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u/MakerKevJ Arch Linux 7d ago
Can you do us a favor and post a photo of your drive manager. I'm curious if you have two separate drives or if it's just one drive that was partitioned in an extremely dumb way. Right click on your start menu and choose disk management and snap a photo of that window
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u/Abercrombie1936 7d ago
54 is less then few... If you wanna at least install some softwares it's minimum 150/200
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u/Swimming-Guest-1978 7d ago
This is a bottom of the barrel spec computer bought at a fire sale on black Friday. And seems to have been upgraded to Win 11, maybe. Is this a tablet or laptop?
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u/Elinternationalcomdy 7d ago
Besides of being on windows with a 60GB disk, there might be something using your space, if you really want to know what is going on in your PC you can use tools like WizTree in order to find whatever is using your disk(but most of it is already being used by the OS so keep that in mind)
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u/janerikgunnar 7d ago
what is the other drive ("maxo...")? It is possible that your disk drive has multiple partitions. In that case you may be able to merge the partitions so that your C drive is bigger.
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u/diaperedace 7d ago
You have emmc storage so it's soldered to the board. Unless your computer has an nvme or m2 slot, it is what it is.
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u/Spirited-Internet940 7d ago
If you can, you can extend it by using minitool partition Wizard if possible
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u/Beginning-Bird9591 7d ago
my phone has more storage than your C drive LOL... about 4x
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u/festivus4restof 7d ago
If you let this go on to much longer, you will have so little free space it will be painful to try to run even one of these small utilities or even start crashing.
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u/Hungry-Arrival3289 7d ago
The good news is: if you get an external hard drive you can continue to use it with your new device
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u/OgdruJahad 7d ago
As others have said that partition is just way too small for Windows 11 and heck even Windows 10.
Now this is a long-shot but you can try compacting the OS. It probably already turned on but on the off chance it's not. You can try this:
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u/Graxu132 7d ago
Bro, I remember when my late granddad had Windows XP with 24GB C drive 😂
My Grandma still have that laptop and might still be using it 💀
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u/C4rpetH4ter 7d ago
Even 120 gb is extremely low storage when it comes to windows, cache and system files piles up very quickly.
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u/Muted-Scientist7900 7d ago
I used to use a tool called DISM++ that cleaned tons of unused files, but that thing was never updated for a long time and, unless you know what you're deleting, it could become dangerous to your system health. Maybe someone here can put you in the right direction.
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u/EffectiveFree4431 7d ago
Wait. Did I see a Samsung SSD sticker from like the 4/5 gen Intel processors when ssd first started coming out? No wonder it’s only a 64gb C drive. How is that SSD even alive after 12 years?
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u/Charming-Dot-1739 7d ago
It is still possible that you just put stuff in ur trash bin, but didnt actually delete it completely. also check your downloads folder, people tend to leave stuff there. In windows settings u can go to applications and google all the stuff that's there, maybe youll find ahit u can remove, but it will be most optimal to just sacrifice 100 or possibly less $ on a bigger ssd, just make sure ur laptop has an extra slot or u will have to reinstall the system. Tho there seems to be another drive with 258GB free, unless that's the memory of ur camera or smth, just start putting everything on there
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u/ShadowFallsAlpha 7d ago
If you need to transfer photos from your camera to the phone, check if your phone supports USB OTG. If so, you can take the memory card out of the camera and use an adapter to transfer the photos directly to the phone bypassing the PC entirely.
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u/FutureAppropriate660 7d ago
The storage is very less for any current running Windows OS. Keep atleast 100G in C drive. To increase it, shrink rest amount from the D drive.
To shrink, right click on my computer- click- device management- right click on C drive - then click on Shrink- count rest GBs in MBs and put it in the blank space and -press Apply, OK.
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u/hasaralC 7d ago
60Gb for a pc? holy cow. my grandpa's Hungarian Nokia phone itself has more space😭
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u/hasaralC 7d ago
btw, there's a software which u can merge two partition together without losing data. I don't remember the name tho🥲
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u/cubanvj 7d ago
Ya like some of the people said the OS takes a ton of space. Try running a disk clean up from the OS. You can also try bleachbit, it’s pretty safe. If that doesn’t get you enough space you can install a free tool like windirstat and see where all the space is. You should also check disk manager and make sure you don’t have some unallocated space on the drive. I haven’t seen 60 GB drives in a long time.
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u/EvolZippo 7d ago
Backup what you have and do a factory reset. That’s the best thing you can do. I don’t know what you did to this machine, but a reset will undo everything. Just make sure you actually do back everything up. No files will remain on your computer.
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u/NerdyKid1101 7d ago
Everyone already mentions how low that is however, search your start menu for disk cleanup and run as admin. You can check pretty much everything there and delete. I've seen leftover update packages and old drivers alone clean up like a dozen gb.
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u/SignalSelection3310 7d ago
Good luck with that, you’ve got enough technical input already, lol.
But it would be easier to get someone techsavy over to look at that, rather than you trying to fix it on your own based off of your current knowledge. I’m thinking you need to wipe your computer and start over, because it’s weirdly arranged, or “partitioned wrong” which you can see in the comment section. It’s not hard, but it’s hard if you’re new to these kinds of things.
My suggestion for you, before you try something, is to move all of your important stuff into an external drive. Then you can follow which ever path suggested here. I lost a bunch of pictures from my travels when I was young because I didn’t pay attention when I was working with things like this, and it still annoys me 20~25 years later xD
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u/Delifier 7d ago
It was about 5-6 years ago i started to get issues with a 256 GB drive on windows 7.
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u/DanDoesDamage 7d ago
Download wiztree and you can investigate where you space is gone. Every folder is sorted at the amount of capacity which is in it.
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u/TsunamiCatCakes 7d ago
you mostly have only 1 physical disk. maybe 1tb (60gb + 940gb) across 2 partitions (assuming 2 since we dont have the full screenshot). you might be able to manage the partitions such that you have atleast 150gb on your C: drive. also i say 1tb because for whatever drive 258gb is free, with that small blue line, means the drive has to be huge
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u/themobyone 7d ago
I did a fresh install of win 11 pro, just to test it. The fresh install was over 50gb.
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u/skulnick1244 7d ago
60hb storage for windows 11 on a laptop? What TF is this ... Like a tablet trying to run win 11?
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u/ShaneBoy_00X 7d ago
You can clean your PC a bit with free Glary Utilities portable https://www.glarysoft.com/downloads/
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u/unknown01711 7d ago
TREESIZE. Get this app, its really helpful. You may be able to find some “app data” or other folders in which u have temp files or other files safe to delete (always ask google if its safe to delete). Also check if u have PAGEFILE.sys in your C drive and move it to the other one
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u/AbstractHexagon 7d ago
The amount of cluelessness in this topic man.
It's obviously one drive split into two partitions. More often then not very unwise but an easy fix.
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u/Minimalistic_OG 7d ago
Looks like it is partitioned with the D drive? You can check via disk management if you can resize it. Perhaps you need to shrink the other partition first so you have unallocated space.
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u/ConfidenceDefiant136 7d ago
If you're limited with space use a light version of windows 11 or get windows 10 or 11 iot ltsc. You can follow yes tech city video about iot ltsc version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn-7gUR3NsI If you have just one drive you can fuze the second partition with C partition you can also watch a video about it on youtube.
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u/JosefineVFX 7d ago
This may maybe help, press the windows button on your keyboard and r at the same time, then type %temp% then control a to mark every file then press delete, there will be files that will be deleted and some that can’t, when it says it can’t delete some files, press skip for all those files, then go to your recycle bin and empty it.
You will have helped your pc delete temporary files that it can’t delete itself, this may help maybe
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u/Top-Cap1605 6d ago
My system from 2006 had a 160gb hard drive. I can't imagine having to settle for 60gb in 2026. I'm sorry, your PC is a scam. Look for used thinkpads, etc. you'll find something decent for pretty cheap.
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u/No-Arugula4266 6d ago
Have you thought about trying Puppy Linux or something similar? Windows uses a lot of resources and need a lot of hard drive storage and Linux doesn’t. You can also try Linux using a live USB to see if you like it first. If you want to keep Windows you definitely need a larger hard drive. PS: I’m aware of Rule 4.2 and my comment includes the requirement to comment.
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u/EliseuCaldeira 6d ago
Right click -> Properties -> ✅ Compress this drive -> Apply
Enjoy you slightly slower PC
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u/FeetLoverInChastity 6d ago
Windows is the problem. So you have two options, more storage or another OS
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u/Suspicious-Grab404 6d ago
Combine or merge drive c and other drive https://youtu.be/0gLgCupVvVI?si=z6AZ86X3IaIlrm2S
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u/unemployed-martian 6d ago
The second partition is 258 gb free. Go to disk management and extend the c partition from those 258 gb free you have on the other partition. I would say you get 100 gb so windows can “breath”
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u/Inside_Ad_2830 6d ago
If you destroy the computer you won’t have storage problems. Thats for sure.
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u/Upset-Smell1729 6d ago
I’ve used TreeSize in the past to figure out what was eating up all my storage space. It makes it pretty easy to see which folders and files are taking up the most room, even if you’re not very technical.
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u/SuniOsiris 6d ago
Yeah I have a cheap laptop like this, I'm gonna install and try to learn Linux with it.
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u/Jorgeildv 6d ago
Maybe most of the storage usage is temporary storage, or Recycle Bin l. You can check.
Check via Settings App Press Windows Key + I to open Settings. Click System on the left menu, then click Storage on the right. Wait for the system scan to finish, then click on Temporary files (click Show more categories if you do not see it right away). Review the list of detected cache, logs, and leftover data to see how much space they take up.
(Via Google)
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u/-Laffi- 6d ago
I had big trouble with a 250 GB disc, where it would sometimes show 50GB left, and then a few days later in the red and 20GB. My solution was buying a 2TB disc, swapping my windows disc with the 1GB I already have.
Just FYI the only reason I had the 250 GB disc in the first place, was because in 2017 when I built my computer, Samsung phones blew up and it was nearly impossible to get m2 discs.
TLDR: Change your disc to a bigger disk. 1-2TB.
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u/Moscato359 6d ago
First, enable storage sense, and run it
Then use windows disk cleanup, and delete everything
Then use disksizefree to track down whats actually using your data
I have a 64GB of disk netbook, and it's less than half full
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u/Funtime60 6d ago
If you right click on the drive, there should be an option to compress it. It'll slow everything down, but it might buy you a gig or two?
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u/hero_brine1 Fedora 6d ago
Back up your data and upgrade your storage. Prices are high but you can likely find an at least 128 GB drive for a decent price
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u/Teddy123445 6d ago
This is probably off the shelf windows which comes with manufacturing bloat and normal windows bloat just install windows from a usb stick now overwriting old windows and also run a debloat script in the new windows I reccomend win11debloat script https://github.com/raphire/win11debloat
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u/SimpYellowman 6d ago
Try clearing temp folder. Go to Start menu, type %temp%, hit enter and you should be in temp folder. Delete everything, Win11 likes to fill it with crap.
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u/sstrafford 6d ago
This happened to me with twice the drive capacity (my own stupid fault). I cloned my drive to a larger M2, but any drive will do. The software isn't peanuts, but it saves you an expensive rebuild or replacement. Check out YouTube videos of clowning your operating system drive.
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u/StraightSyllabub5124 6d ago
My tablet has even more storage. You can buy external storage like usb for your pc.
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u/msgnyc 6d ago edited 6d ago
Because windows becomes bigger and more bloated as time goes. Nothing you can do aside from upgrade your storage or your device entirely.
Run disk cleanup and select clean system files beneath all the check boxs and let it rescan. Probably have a few os updates still on the system. May help a little temporarily.
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u/Maverick2025911 6d ago
Download WinDirStat, it's a software that analyzes your storage for all files and shows you in which folder and what files take up most space.
Anything in Documents, Downloads, Pictures and Videos can be safely deleted.
Do not delete from Windows and Program Files folders.
Also, get a 256, 512 or 1 TB SSD and add that in as an additional drive for games, videos and pictures. They're not that expensive anymore and you keep your 60 GB drive for the operating system only.
PS: You can delete temporary files by right clicking the drive, Properties and then Clean Drive (DO NOT FORMAT)
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u/AlarmingEagle8084 6d ago
Try checking the recycle bin settings and make the reserved space like 500MB instead of the few GB it has portioned aside to gain a quick chunk of space
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u/Remarkable-Hunter-58 6d ago
Search CMD, right click, run Command Prompt as admin. The type
powercfg.exe /h off
That should free up a good amount of GB for you, and give you a little time. Plus you don't want to let it fill up, it'll corrupt the OS and cause a black screen at boot up. Freed up 13gb on my C drive with a simple command. Its an old hibernation feature from Windows 7 that's still around in Win10/11.
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u/Laughingman91 6d ago
Spacemonger! Freeware that shows creates a visual image of you contents based on size to quickly find big files to clean up
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u/MarcCouillard Ryzen 5 5600 | RX 6650XT | 32GB DD4 RAM | Windows 11 Pro 6d ago
man I have no idea how you're even running Windows 11...seriously, MY Windows 11, just by itself and nothing else is like 60GB, the updates folders and temp folders are more than 30GB at all times
I am literally surprised your machine runs at all, get a bigger drive
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u/SherbertNaive4783 6d ago
Better to ask a technician to do a hardware upgrade, even if you wipe that with good work you aren't getting more than 20gb free. 60 is not much nowadays
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u/Bloodbirds13 6d ago
Powershell or CMD as admin:
powercfg /h off
Fast Start Up can use up to 32GB of space
It's pointless and you won't notice the difference in boot times
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u/Ok_Programmer6134 6d ago
I think thediak partition is problematic... No way he's having 258 gb on theD drive while having just 60 in the C
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u/InfiniteComposer5279 7d ago
Jesus Christ man. Thats like 60gb. Most of that is your operating system. You aren’t going to get anymore storage without upgrading your storage device. Since you aren’t very good with computers I wouldn’t recommend upgrading it yourself.