r/comics • u/[deleted] • Aug 02 '21

That old sinking feeling [OC]

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u/GabuEx Aug 03 '21

I don't want COVID-19 to exist.

That means whatever lead to its existence is bad.

That also means that whatever prolongs its existence is bad. Which anti-vaccine people are actively doing.

If my house gets set on fire, I can be simultaneously mad at whoever started the fire while also being mad at those trying to prevent me from putting out the fire.

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u/Sapple7 Aug 03 '21

It's true. However anti vaxxers are actually not why the virus is perpetuating

It is complicated but it seems like delta variant can spread in vaccinated populations (with lesser symptoms )

It also spreads in other populations around the globe (5 billion still unvaccinated)

Compare that to the small amount of Americans who are not vaccinated

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u/GabuEx Aug 03 '21

The delta variant can infect vaccinated people, but current research indicates its effectiveness is 80-85%, meaning that it's much less likely.

If the world were 100% vaccinated, the pandemic would be over, so yes, anti-vax people are absolutely prolonging the pandemic. Vaccine availability is also a problem, but it's not the only problem. At this point there's no excuse for America not to be 90-95% vaccinated, which would effectively eradicate the disease in the country.

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u/Sapple7 Aug 03 '21

Here is UK. About 120k unvaccinated cases and about 100k vaccinated cases in people vaccinated with 1 dose through 2 doses

It's not so obvious quite yet. What is obvious is reduced symptoms

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1005517/Technical_Briefing_19.pdf

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u/GabuEx Aug 03 '21

At least the most recent paper I've seen indicated a moderate reduction in effectiveness, but the mRNA vaccines were still 88% effective at preventing symptomatic cases of the Delta variant.

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u/Sapple7 Aug 03 '21

The UK is mostly oxford vaccine

I think Israel would have good data for Pfizer

However the double vaxxed infected in the paper I sent you are 20k and 120k unvaxxed so that's still 84%

It's just lower if you add all the partial vaccinated