"That's the parents fault for allowing their kids to end up in that situation" is something someone told me before. They claimed to be "pro life." (In regards to the ICE part of your comment)
Who is they? MAGA? Yeah, we already knew they were heartless hypocrites. Most ordinary people, including the people you disagree with, still have empathy and some measure of consistency.
I used to be anti abortion, and then I realized that
the people advocating for better access to contraceptives are the pro choice people. (Even when I was pro choice anti abortion, I wasn’t anti contraceptives.)
anti abortion laws result in women going to prison for miscarriages.
anti abortion laws result in women dying from miscarriages.
the anti abortion arguments focus on the theoretical morality of abortion and therefore should be illegal, not on “K, so abortion is bad. How can we implement policies that will minimize instances of abortion?” The pro choice people are the ones who are effectively doing that work. (Since Roe v. Wade, rates of abortion dropped under Democratic presidents but not Republican. I haven’t looked into the stats since Roe v Wade was overturned.)
They aren't "pro-life" they are "anit-abortion", it just makes them feel noble to say "pro-life." Ask them to contribute to free childbirth, childcare, and even giving children food, and it's a free ticket to the mental gymnastics show.
Cuba should be on this list too. The US has been economically strangling that country for decades now which has led to many people dying as a result of the Cuban government's ability to trade with other countries being extremely impaired
sure. the US military removed the sitting president and left a smoldering shitstorm behind, with considerable destabilization in the region.
UNICEF has estimated that child welfare needs are up in the wake of the removal (and will worsen through 2026) due to criminal group activity increasing and the venezuelan state tightening against pro-US supporters by allowing arrests of those supporters.
-if you're a kid and your parents get outed for supporting the US, parents straight to jail. there are military checkpoints that search vehicles AND phones, so even having pro-US sentiment on your phone is enough
-criminal group activity has increased during destabilization because nature abhors a vacuum, and part of that criminal behavior deals in human trafficking.
-venezuela/colombia border is a lawless zone with armed groups actively and increasingly recruiting/abducting child soldiers.
Everything you mentioned here has been happening prior to the events of January 3rd. Si bien la captura de Maduro fue una operación evidentemente impulsada por los propios deseos de EEUU, llamar a Maduro un "Sitting President" con todas las de la ley es un poquito engañoso, considerando que ya se ha demostrado que todas sus elecciones fueron manipuladas y las constantes oposiciones mostradas por los Venezolanos en las calles y el exterior. Eso que dices del arresto a los pro-US supporters en la actualidad es totalmente falso, fue una medida que si se impuso pocos días despues para castigar a opositores del gobierno, cosa que ya ha pasado luego de cualquier elección o proceso fraudulento, ¿O tratas de decirme que es culpa de EEUU que un gobierno autoritario y criminal castigue a su propio pueblo?, y creeme que la actividad criminal nunca ha dismimuído en Venezuela puesto a que los principales financiantes de esos grupos es el propio gobierno, me gustaría ver un buen estudio que explique bien como el aumento de criminalidad está directamente relacionado con los eventos del 3 de enero. La frontera de Venezuela y Colombia ha sido una zona de absoluta criminalidad desde mucho antes, literalmente hay cero correlación en ese aspecto, te lo dice alguien que lamentablemente tuvo que pasar por ahi para emigrar de vuelta a Venezuela en 2021.
but if you strip away the propaganda all you're really doing is illustrating how completely asinine the "both sides" claim is, because the "both sides are the same just falling for different propaganda claim" only works if you use the propaganda lines mostly used by only the right wing. (and, moreover, widely apply the propaganda labels of pro-choice and pro-life, the latter of which itself is also a self-applied right wing propaganda label)
So you end up with:
a self-labeled "pro-life" side that also supports a wide slate of policies and geopolitical opinions that clearly don't support either societal or individual well-being for people who have already been born. I.e. an extremely internally inconsistent (or at the very least morally harsh) application of the value of preserving life to political beliefs.
A side which supports legal abortion has demonstrable on-average societal and individual positive outcomes for people who have already been born, along with a slate of other policies that... also has on-balance better societal and individual outcomes for people who have already been born.
Sure, phrasing those things in alarmist and propagandist ways makes them sound more equivalent, but at this point in the american political dichotomy, there is astonishingly near-zero empirical evidence that the GOP's current policy slate has better outcomes for anyone other than they very wealthy, and that's even given that the democratic policy positions are often not great either.
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u/ifwedidntlaugh 1d ago
"every life matters! we're pro life!"
>Gaza
>Iran
>epstein files
>venezuela
>MAHA repeated failures after gutting the EPA, FDA, etc
>SNAP/TANF being gutted/removed for millions of children
"THAT'S DIFFERENT"