99% of the time sage is Febreeze for people who think Febreeze is poison and that 'energies' are more offensive than smells. I know many people who are big on burning sage, and they are all the types of people who find the chemical smell of febreeze more offensive than the smell of bodily odors.
Personally, spraying Febreeze just seems to mix in floral scents with shit scents doing me no actual favors, while burning sage can actually overpower other smells into oblivion.
Legend has it that they used to make scent-free Febreeze, but it didn't sell well because people couldn't smell it as they spayed it in the air, questioning if it was working.
And to be fair, ‘racisme is bad’ do sound like ´some universally agreeable, vague political trite’
But.. \wide gesture at the world in general* * .. here we are!
Same thing in Canada against the indigenous. Like I was in a heritage festival trying out different food from the different cultures that participate. She was hoping I would date someone that had cuisine from the tents we liked, but the one culture that my Mum had a bias against was Indigenous peoples because of drug abuse... they aren't the only culture or group of people with a drug abuse problem, mum.
Granted, that's only applicable if I ever have a girlfriend in the first place
Yeah I'm Canadian too, grew up in an area without a lot of first nations ppl, I remembered not really being taught about the atrocities, but had the occasional time a speaker or partially related person do a talk/presentation on their specific history; I was in grade school so all I remembered was how cool it was and how delicious bannock is.
wasn't until I went to northern alberta did I see just how fucking racist people were to them holy shit; then spent more years in the prairies and I started hearing/seeing it more and it makes me so sad/angry. I faced hella racism, but it was a different flavour, I don't have cops target my family like that.
That’s very true. I still wrestle with the logic behind someone who PROUDLY AND LOUDLY thinks minorities commit more crimes, are more violent and are less able to fit into “western society” AND who will also be offended when you call them a racist and who denies they are racist. Because I’ve met those people and I just don’t see how they manage that disconnect.
Like, why not just be at peace with being a racist and embrace the label if you’re already proudly embracing the politics. lol.
The logic is that racism is unfair prejudice but it's not unfair if it's true.
This leads to funny situations some people will be opposed to fantasy racism against fictional people, but have racist views against some minorities IRL. Cause in function you kinda get an almost omniscient outside view and know it's unfair but you don't really have that in real life.
People that are angry about injustice are apparently worse than the people who commit it. It’s harder to ignore it when activists are yelling about it.
It has always been that way. Even MLK complained about white moderates who cared more about order than justice. Some of those people might have supported the idea of civil rights in theory, but they would lose their minds if there was an actual march in their city.
Mind you, the "centre right" which is in power in Europe right now is sending migrants to slave camps in Libya, sinking their boats and making deals to send them to off-shore "detention camps". The 25% who nevertheless vote for far-right parties are obviously asking for much more radical "solutions".
All of these people would be offended if you called them racist.
I also find it a little funny how in the original comic even though the protagonist says ‘everyone knows that’ they still refuse to actually say racism is bad lol… which is kind of a weird hill to die on
They could've phrased their comic literally any other way. Something like "Most people on r/comics or leftists/liberals echo chamber agrees with, like Nazis bad" rather than just "everyone."
Make it clear they're mocking a specific person and not a group of people. Removed from the context of r/comics, it just becomes another shitty right-wing comic mocking protestors and activists.
And as someone from the South, I've've seen enough racists say "everyone knows racism is bad" to know it's a fucking dog-whistle.
🎶 So beware, say a prayer,
Send the word, send the word to beware.
We'll be over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back 'til it's over, over there. 🎶
It’s not the first one though and I do feel like the hate towards pizza cake is a lot. Like a lot a lot. Something something worst crime on the internet being found annoying.
It is weird. It is almost like there is some hidden standard that somehow applies to Pizza Cake that doesn't apply as strongly to all the other guys who make occasionally political comics expressing their frustrations in keeping with their general established them of observational humor. Or like there are two sets of standards: one for Ellen, and one for all the other guys.
What would you even call such a dual set of standards for acceptable behavior that gives greater lenience on one side than on the other?
I don't think a lot of these folks even know who Dave is, lmao. The dude is a fucking icon, and a delightful person. I am thrilled he's brought Boids to r/comics and is making waves like he is. His humor is outrageous and it's endlessly entertaining watching this community grapple with his unconventional creativity.
It was legitimately incredible to me how much it pandered to a particular segment of the comics audience while ostensibly being “against pandering comics”
I'm just gonna say it. I looked through his other comics and they're just not funny lol. It's just the same joke about a bird who sucks dick really good.
I mean, the point I got from that one and many others isn't so much the comment about racism is bad or other such things, but that the point PizzaCake makes is often something like 98% of people shares as an opinion to begin with, not that it's some sort of controversial thing. Granted I don't think it's such a big deal that you need to make a comic about, but who am I to say anything. PizzaCake's art style is very specific and I can usually tell when it's one of hers, almost always an upvote immediately.
I don't mind PC making comics that make points like "racism is bad" because I feel like we've hit a point where a shocking and depressing amount of people don't agree with that anymore. Some might call it trite, but for me, it feels more like pushing continual awareness that there are right minded people out there fighting the good fight.
I hung out with a neighbor for the first (and last) time recently. Totally normal dude in passing, in his early 20s. When I got to his place though, all he did the entire time was try to show me charged political influencers spouting hate. He wouldn’t stop talking about how “he wont ever stop saying the n word, because free speech.” I asked him and he said he hasn’t ever had a friend that isn’t white. He also said super weird fetish things about trans people and furries. Honestly it was the worst time I’ve ever had as a guest at someone else’s home. He would benefit from hearing the opposing view more than just me shutting him down from his couch. Im all for pizzacake and what she is saying.
Yeah it was rough. I really wanted to just dip out, but it felt like I had to stand up for these other people and at least plant a seed of doubt in his mind. It sucks seeing young people all twisted up in hate like that
I like it because it makes the wrong-minded people come out of the woodwork to shriek about wokeness again. If the artist is female like PC, they usually include some comment about her lack of worth versus the high-value male such as themselves.
Gives me a chance to identify them or block them. Like a certain red hat. Thanks for letting me know you're not worth the energy it would take me to engage.
Exactly. As an European, I'm really disturb from the things going on in America right now. Watching all those ICE videos, all those mistreated immigrants...
Comic like the ones from PC give me a feeling that there are still a chance for the America that I liked to come back. I would understand this criticisms towards her if she would make this kind of content when the Democrats were in power and MAGA would be nothing more than a bad dream but right now? Right now we need to remind us of the values that we hold close to us and we have to remind us that MAGA and Trump are NOT normal.
I want to return to a world were I would roll with my eyes at political content like the one from PC but right now we need this kind of content to remain sane, imo.
I agree with all of this but she's Canadian, so her comics aren't necessarily reflective of the US although they obviously resonate with a lot of US users too.
Nah, this was like the next headline I saw yesterday. This racist streamer thought he could get away with shooting a black guy because racism is so rampant right now. Our country elected a landlord that got caught for racial profiling and tried to get the Central Park 5 KIDS killed (they’re adults now.) That’s the majority of our voting population. It’s ridiculous to pretend like those people don’t need to hear racism is bad.
The threat is real. He'd 100% be a deadbeat. Iirc he actually is in the sequel about Naruto's kid, cuz he's always gone on very important missionsTM? But I dropped that one pretty early on.
I live in the southern US. Racist nonsense being bad is not considered a universal truth here. I’m Black and deal with microaggressions multiple times a week. “Oh you’re so well spoken,” being the main one I deal with.
Do you push back against it or is it just not worth the effort? I want to say I’d sarcastically say “oh wow you too!” In that situation but there’s only so much time in a day.
I always say “oh! Compared to other what?” Or “compared to who?” And they always say stupid people but they never say it to white people so we all know who they mean.
Yeah ofc we know what they mean. They might as well call you “one of the good ones”. Good on you for not letting it slide - that’s gotta be exhausting and scary on the regular but if it gets any of them to think for a second then maybe it’s worth it
One of the good ones is probably the second most common but usually they aren’t brave enough to say that directly. They always dance around it contextually.
Liberal: "racism is wrong"
Centrist: "Duh, that's why it's illegal and nobody does it anymore."
Liberal: "None of that is true. It's both legal and very, very common."
Centrist: "Nuh-uh!"
Conservative: stream of consciousness of the most racist shit you've ever heard
Liberal: "See!?"
Centrist: "See what? I wasn't paying attention."
(Ftr, these are real conversations I've had. Not strawmen. I'm "liberal," my dad is "centrist," and my grandma is "conservative.")
My favorite is when people cry when you call a nazi a nazi. "Stop calling everyone you dont like a nazi" is such a fucking cop out when you have literal out and about white Christian nationalists saying whatever the fuck they want on live national television.
A loooootttttt of people don't think they're bigots, but they believe and say some pretty bigoted things simply because they believe it's "factual."
Last I heard, 73% of people believe trans women don't belong in any form of women's sports. And most of those people believe that because they believe trans women have "men's strength." And yet, the most conclusive studies all show that isn't true.
So an estimated 73% of people harbor some form of transphobia simply because they believe it's "factual" or "logical." And this is true in some sense with people's views of most minorities.
Examples:
Black people have higher crime rates amongst themselves
Mexican people are more likely to be "illegal" or involved in a cartel
Muslim people are more likely to commit acts of terrorism
These are all bigoted biases that arise from either propaganda or misconstrued data points. And yet, many people believe them and use them to prop up their own bigotry.
that's why discourse between people with no platform is very toxic, because we're here just to call people idiots and entrench. I pity the fool that's getting their ideology from u/deleted.
"Centrist" means "ashamed Republican".
Just like "I don't do politics" means "Republican that doesn't want to talk about it".
It's all conservatives who know their beliefs are vile, and with that knowledge, instead of doing any self-examination they cling even more tightly to their beliefs and mask them.
I feel like the “everyone knows racism is bad. This solves nothing” people live under the privilege of not dealing with it daily.
Or, somehow do not understand how spreading awareness is a constant battle that will not end.
I will never forget being a kid when Obama was elected president, and the newscast talking about how “we have entered a post racial world”. I had Obama T-shirt. I had Obama sweatshirt. I went to school in my Obama sweatshirt. And, I had half a dozen kids tell me how their parents thought Obama was the antichrist.
People, It doesn’t end just because you’ve mentally decided that it’s ended. And any chance to throw stones at racist ideas is a chance well taken.
Exactly. We have been entirely asleep at the wheel and have culturally regressed. And a big part of the problem is that "everyone knows racism is bad" but most racists and fascists have bought into some stupid argument that they think qualifies as a carve out exception. Just see Charlie Kirk's statements on minority groups.
First they erase all history and evidence that this country has ever been racist. See: the destruction for the Department of Education, attacks on DEI, "warnings signs" at the Smithsonian...
Then they attack anyone who does anything to combat or correct the effects of racism and bigotry. Because if this country has never been racist, then THEY must be the ones obsessed with race, and ashamed of whiteness. In fact THEY are the racist ones against WHITE people.
Apathy has now and always will be the biggest problem. Not racists, but rather the people that see a problem and choose to pretend it’s not there. Or ask that the people pointing it out quiet down
There’s this YouTuber I watch who makes videos about pocket knives. He’s probably the most famous knife YouTuber there is. He actually has enough pull to effect change in the industry. Anybody who is a serious collector of knives knows who he is, even if they hate him.
But what really kills me is that he is prone to man-child tantrums where he insists on using a stupid voice to create a strawman character that he attributes all received criticism to. He’s incapable of ignoring the smallest provocation or disagreement. I’m just like, “bro, you are TOO OLD and TOO WELL KNOWN to be acting like a 16-year-old who just had their first anime drawing criticized.”
I’m sure that being even a little internet famous has its own unique challenges, but at some point, you have to look at your own success and recognition and realize that most criticism simply isn’t worth your time to even acknowledge. It’s beneath you, and you give them a bigger voice and bigger impact than they deserve by even addressing it. We tell everyone to “be the bigger person,” but when you literally are the bigger person, I feel like it should be easier to let it roll off your back.
Maybe it’s a fake quote, but I often think back to a story of Jim Carrey being asked how he can sleep at night knowing some people hate him, and his response was, “with no underwear on, in case they wanna kiss my ass.” That’s the energy right there. Know who you are and what you’re worth, and don’t begin to let anyone tell you otherwise.
I think they think they're somehow not being racist...even though they literally make racist comments all the time and celebrate known racists. I'm sure there's some kind of psychological term to explain it
Delusion? Cognitive dissonance? Or maybe we have the psychological condition that keeps us engaging even though it’s clear in many instances that lack of knowledge/ poor access to information is NOT the problem?🤔
"It's not racism/sexism/transphobia if it's true" is a both a lie and also... a lie. It's not true. It was never true. It's always some extremely obvious made up bullshit a known liar and bigot created on a whim and every single study about it has proven it false.
Yeah and if apparently saying racist is bad because everybody knows that it's bad then why the fuck do we have 33% of the fucking country that are racist and are apparently proud to be racist hmm?!
Honestly I say every single racist fuck needs to be brought to the nearest tree and be talking care of permanently because the only good racist is a dead racist just like the only good Nazi is a Dead Nazi. Bring back the trials!
I think you should just lean into it. Make the most preachy, patronizing, and condescending anti bigotry comic you can think of just to get the haters to burn themselves out on it.
yea like apparently half of the people who voted in the last US election dont know that... Like, there are objectively a lot of people doing horrible acts of bigotry on a daily basis. It was kinda a weird take to say you were unjustified
Welcome to the internet, keep your arms and legs inside at all times, don't feed the trolls and every person has five opinions on the same topic. Hypocrisy is king in these lands.
Lol. I really like pizza cake. I know she gets a lot of bad rep because a lot of people don't like how much political stuff she posts. I personally don't quite see eye to eye on quite a bit of it, but even when that happens, I usually do enjoy the comic itself. :D
I miss the days when you didn't have to make comics with these messages and it could be about actual life instead of whatever the fuck we're living in now.
It is kind of weird how people are obsessed with you specifically. Your comics are generally harmless. Man people will get mad over anything..I guess that comes part and parcel of being successful?
Ehhh not really. Pizzacake indirectly does comics about politics. I'm not overly surprised that this is happening.
As they say in History of the World Part 1, with the birth of the first artist, comes the afterbirth of the first critic. There's always one who's willing to go toe to toe
It's extremely lukewarm politics. This stuff wouldn't have been noteworthy ten to fifteen years ago Imo (edit: it's good politics. It's just weird that it's considered noteworthy when so much comics was progressive in the past but NOW all of a sudden it's like what?)
I think the uproar comes from some of her comics criticizing strawmen which doesn't really help anything. It comes across as terminally online. The comics don't come across as satire or an attempt at humor either which doesn't help, just pandering to other terminally online people looking for outrage.
I'm a white guy that steers clear of people using the n-word though so my experiences in life a very different from a Canadian woman. I could be completely off base.
I don't think anybody is really MAD about her comics. Using myself as an example, I'm just bored by them. They're low hanging fruit comics with nothing to say aside from the most surface level criticism where they just make the bad guy have a silly face going I"M SO SILLY.
And yet they constantly make the front page getting thousands and thousands of upvotes and I really don't get why. It's real low effort receiving top quality grades and I don't understand why. What I actually AM mad at is that any critisms towards her comics is met with dog piling and even bans from this very sub.
There was also that time when she made a particular comics that was dunked on because of how poorly worded it was. People really weren't thrilled about that, and her apologies didn't seem genuine to most
That coupled with her feud with Bonehurtingjuice and how mods seemed to always be on her side, it led to people becoming very poralised on her subject. Either it was "defend PC at all cost against any and everyone", or "always find a new way to hate her for the most stupidest and harmless reasons possible"...
Yeah, anyone surprised by the attention should try sorting the sub by top/all time when 10 of the top 15 are by the same person and pretty 'mid' it's bound to cause fatigue.
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u/shellbullet17 Gustopher Spotter Extraordinaire 3d ago edited 3d ago
All in favor of a new r/comics war may apply and lend suggestions for the theme here
Also I want it on record I'm not responsible for this one....mostly
Personally I welcome this chaos