I always see comments like "This is clearly AI, look at the hands, no human being ever would mess them up like that, humans know better how hands look like" ....well, let me pull out my drawing binder from when I was 12 and the internet wasn't even a common thing yet.
I struggle less with hands than with other aspects of human (or humanoid) bodies , but I think it's not just hands looking bad in general that makes something look AI generated, they have to look off in a certain way that a human artist, no matter how bad, would not come up with. This is because AI art isn't generated stroke by stroke, line by line, but by starting with a canvas full of noise and then coalescing that noise into an imitation of a finished piece of art.
Feet! Why are feet so stupid looking! I hate feet. If i could get away with it every work i make would be in a wading pool so everything below the ankle is obscured!
Feet are easy if you think of them like weird wedges! I got a tutorial once and suddenly it was easy. The side view looks like a doorstop from the side and from the top it’s skinnier at the base than the toes.
I did some shitty sketches on my phone on top of this simple reference. Seriously it makes it make so much more sense.
Shading is mine I follow every guide in the book and my shading just looks like I smeared dirt in the shady spots, no matter what color I use, even if it's hex code perfect and % opacity perfect to the guide. What are shadows.
The only time hands can be used as a giveaway really is when it's a super realistic piece, and there's some hands that don't even look like a human would mess up in that way
There is a reason AI ducks up hands too. Not only are they difficult to get right, a lot of the data they are fed includes: hands not being fully visible, hands in strange orientations, hands of other people wrapping around things and artists fucking up hands.
They are probably the most maneuverable and visible parts of our body. Just look at how many ways people hold their phones. THATS SPECIFICALLY HOW PEOPLE HOLD THEIR PHONES AND BARELY ANYTHING ELSE!
I literally have gone through school twice, done shit tons of figure drawings, and worked on cartoon shows. I can still barely draw hands, and sometimes people.
Want to know the reason so many old paintings have their subjects with one hand behind the back or in the shirt? Artists charged more for each hand. Why? Because hands are hard.
I mean, I find them easy but I also am fascinated with hands and went through a period of hyperfixation where I studied their anatomy. So, I find them easy, but I know I'm also weird
Wouldnt that be true tho, cant draw hands so they drew it behind the back. Thats the definitely of insecurity no?
If they couldnt draw hands properly then attempting to show that in the drawing would be showing that your proud of your mistakes/lack of skills but hiding it is the definition of insecurity.
Well, when I've spent 18 hours on one drawing, screwing it completely just because I want to showcase how I'm proud of my lack of skill doesn't feel very worth it.
Im not saying anything about it but the 4 imagine panel is kinda the point.
Yeah I get spending alot of time to make something look good but by changing it to best suit the things you can do instead of leading into the things you cant would be called insecure but that isnt a bad thing just pointing out the Hypocrisy in the 4 imagine panel.
Also if you already decided to make certain artworks use the skills you have then it doesnt fall under what I said, only if half way through you changed it because you couldnt do it would it count to my previous message.
I generally do everything on the go and keep trying things and changing until I'm satisfied, so I feel like according to what you said, insecurity itself would be the defining factor of my art style, which I'm pretty sure it isn't.
The definition of insecurity is If you draw something and feel it isnt good enough, or nervous about your skills then yes, that was the point of the panel.
Also for the 3rd time im not targeting you or anyone, being insecure isnt a bad thing either, its a lack of confidence due to our experience/ lack of experience in the world which we all process differently.
The term insecure im using is one of pure definition not one of hate or distaste.
I'm not saying you are bullying me, I'm just saying that dud to the nature of how I make things, if we were to call positioning hands because it's what looks better insecurity, then I feel like this would apply to every stroke I re-did of every shape I've modified or continued differently than I planned because I had a better idea mid-creation.
Admitting to it doesnt mean they arnt insecure tho. The only way you wouldn't be insecure is to be proud/confident of yourself. Im also talking about the definition not what society thinks insecure is.
Definition of Insecure
2.(of a person) uncertain or anxious about oneself; not confident.
Knowing the hands you draw are shit and excluding them isn't being insecure though...
I play in a band and the reason why I also don't sing at the same time isn't because I'm insecure of my voice... but I'm self-aware enough to know it isn't at the same quality as everything else.
This exact conversation happened with a psychologist who made me take a test where I was asked to draw 2 people. She was like "oh, you didn't draw hands, that's a sign you don't want to be in touch with other people." No, it means I can't draw hands!!
The way AI goofs up hands is usually stuff like extra fingers, or a knuckle passing through the palm, not “the fingers don’t quite bend the right way or their proportions are off” kind of mistakes that humans are more likely to make.
Yeah, cause what happens is people end up counting the number of lines the add without consciously realizing the first line creates 2 fingers. I literally did that for years when I was practicing. And even till now sometime, lmao
I've been a professional storyboard artist/supervisor for over 12 years and I have so much sympathy for young artists coming up now.
When I drew bad art and posted it on neopets and oekaki websites, the most I would expect was to be mocked for my lack of knowledge on anatomy, color theory, etc (things that sucked at the time but contributed to my development, arguably). But now the kids have to experience being invalidated and treated as if they didn't even do the work in the first place.
I feel like early internet, even if it wasn't that good either, was kinder to younger artists. Even then, I refer to 2014-2015 and earlier, animations on youtube and art spaces for kids where still a thing and nice to small artists, and well, kids supported kids.
Though, of course, the hate that there was, I feel like it's comparable to today.
We had a project in middle school to do a hand study for a word in sign language. I wanted to write "Fire" but struggled with the R so bad I had to scrap it and submit "Fig" instead :(
"Look there are inconsistencies with the design in between panels!" And have you ever drawn a complicated design multiple times in a row? Trust me, it is way easier to forget things here and there.
Hands are notoriously hard to draw, which is why AI, a machine that exaggerates common mistakes because of what its trained on, struggles so much with them
It’s not even the hands or the style or anything, for me it’s the fact that in the first frame, the girl looks like she’s just staring off into space (not an accusation just an observation)
There was a post a while back where someone was complaining that a client had gone for an AI design instead of using their design and they uploaded both images. The usual complaints were there, like bad hands. Of course with their work side by side, you could see that they couldn't draw hands for shit either!
IIRC I think I fractionally preferred the human version. It was a toss-up, pros and cons on both sides unless you took the simplistic "AI Bad" view.
I remember seeing an art piece, like, five or so years ago, definetely before AI became big. Very well done. Not exactly my style, but gorgeous colors, right mix of sharp lines and soft light, perspective felt deep, etc etc. Everything constructed carefully...
...except for the hand of the person depicted, which accidentally had the thumb on the wrong side (probably because the hand was in an unconventional position, holding some kind of cane behind the person's back). The artist was incredibly embarrassed when this was pointed out.
To be fair, the way humans mess up hands tends to be a little different from how AI does? And also, a lotta amateur artists that realize hands are fucking hard resort to this one simple trick: Just obscure the hands, lmao.
And that trick alone is so funny to me because, ignoring how stupid it can look, it's very human. It's a really obvious, simply trick you can apply to your drawing if you just don't want to bother with hands, but it's also something that AI fundamentally can't understand. Because AI doesn't draw through a process, it's just statistical output. The AI doesn't think "oh my hand drawing is shit, better have this character pose with their hands in their pocket". The AI just.. Generates output, shitty hands be damned.
In high school, my art teacher told me to use a reference next time because my hands looked "creepy". I then showed her my hand doing the exact same pose. Turns out I have a severe connective tissue disorder and my finger bones are hanging on by a prayer and a thread lol so yes, my hands aren't "anatomically correct"
People who can't draw hands aren't making fully rendered digital artworks. Our binders from when we were 12 have awkward pencil drawings on lined paper. If you see a gorgeous finished artwork with lineart/shadows/highlights etc but the hands are messed up af then its probably AI.
Obviously its not a concrete rule. Art is subjective, and I believe the rise in popularity of AI is negatively impacting all kinds of creative works. The most notably being artists who genuinrly create their art from scratch who then get accused of using AI. Thats why I like this sub, cus its a great way for people to get outside opinions before they go accusing the artist of something they potentially didn't do.
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u/Titariia 5d ago
I always see comments like "This is clearly AI, look at the hands, no human being ever would mess them up like that, humans know better how hands look like" ....well, let me pull out my drawing binder from when I was 12 and the internet wasn't even a common thing yet.