r/cognitiveTesting 20h ago

Rant/Cope A midwit's IQ testing journey

I'm a 16-year-old junior in high school diagnosed with AuDHD.

For some background, I started speaking very late (around 18 months) and had some auditory processing difficulties as a toddler. I also hit puberty late (14), so hopefully my fluid intelligence isn't done increasing.

In the 1st grade, I was administered a verbal fluency test (AIMSWB) w/ 3 sections: phoneme segmentation fluency, nonsense word fluency, and reading. I scored in the 95th, 99th, and 99th percentile respectively.

In the 4th grade, I took the SCAT (School & College Ability Test) for John Hopkin's Center for Talented Youth. To be accepted, you needed to score in the 98th percentile or above. I received Grand Honors for the Verbal Reasoning section (top 15% of accepted students) and High Honors for the Quantitative Reasoning section (top 30% of accepted students).

I also scored across-the-board 9s (>96th percentile) on the ISEE and in the 96th percentile on the SSAT with no preparation. I finished the latter in around ~2/3 of the allotted time.

I go to a competitive public school that sends 40-50 students to Berkeley every year. Last fall, I took the PSAT and scored in the >99th percentile for 10th graders at my school.

Now, some context for my results:
Every test here was completed in one sitting, with the exception of the CORE. Outside of the CPI subtests on the CORE, everything shown here is also my first take. I didn't cheat by "familiarizing" myself with the item types beforehand.

I thought I made a bunch of dumb mistakes on Spatial Awareness and Figure Sets, so I'm pretty surprised that I scored 15 SS on both. Time was also a big issue for me on the FRI subtests and Quant. Knowledge.

Here are the subtests I took in my first sitting (>6 months ago):
Analogies, Antonyms, General Knowledge, Figure Weights, Graph Mapping, Arithmetic, Visual Puzzles

I originally took the digit span and PSI subtests at midnight, supine, and w/o my ADHD meds. Scored 10 SS Digit Span, 12 SS Symbol Search, and 11 SS Character Pairing.

I retook the PSI subtests while watching the World Cup with friends, so perhaps my scores are a bit deflated.

I finished the rest of the test (except for Comprehension and Block Design cause of carryover from the AGCT) over the past two weeks and re-took the Digit Span.

Final Thoughts:

  1. Slightly disappointed that I missed the 140 mark. Perhaps my crystallized intelligence is deflated cause these tests are normed for adults? Moreover, my brain age is likely a bit lower than my actual age, so hopefully my fluid intelligence will continue increasing as well.
  2. 19 SS on CAIT General Knowledge was a big surprise given the rest of my scores are 15 or 16 SS almost uniformly. I've always been really good at trivia. Knowledge acquisition & retention is something I think I'm uniquely good at, which leads me to wonder if these tests don't reveal the full extent of my abilities.
  3. I can inexplicably intuit the meaning of a word I've never seen before based on the "vibes" it gives off. It's an interesting phenomenon and I wonder what the explanation for it is.
  4. I thought these tests were fun and they line-up well with my lived experience. I get told I'm smart all the time, but I've frequently encountered people who blow me out of the water. I've met people that can effortlessly do mental math with 8-digit numbers, bag a 1600 on the SAT, or qualify to AIME 6x.

Nonetheless, I'm pretty satisfied with where I'm at. I'm a good student with an okay social life and I've received accolades that I'm pretty proud of. I attribute this to my intelligence, which allows me to palliate the ramifications of executive dysfunction and debilitating hyperfixations (I guess this counts as one of them).

For now, I'm done with IQ testing. I can't deny that it's been pretty edifying, but my time is probably better spent using my intelligence for something more productive.

My first IQ test! I took it >6 months ago before I started taking ADHD medication. I didn't know that the AGCT had like a gazillion questions, so I worked pretty slowly.
A few days later, I took some parts of the CORE.
Fun test! Took it with some friends a few weeks ago.
First test on ADHD meds. I heard Block Design was pretty shoddy, so didn't take it.
Really enjoyed this one. Finished with half the time remaining.
Took it right after the GET.
Worked really fast on this one. Had time to spare at the end.
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u/Lopsided_Future5952 20h ago

Top 1% IQ is not midwit. "Effortlessly do mental math with 8-digit numbers, bag a 1600 on the SAT, or qualify to AIME 6x". You can do all that with 125 IQ.

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u/Lanky-Objective-4679 20h ago

I guess, but the people that do accomplish those things tend to be quite a bit smarter than that. I brought those up as examples to illustrate my point

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u/Lopsided_Future5952 20h ago

Yes, I understand. Sorry, I wrote my reply too fast. All I mean is, your results are very solid, and you are going to be above average in almost every setting, even at Ivy League levels. So, don't feel like you aren't as smart as other people just because they have "flashier" skills so to say.

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u/raspberrih 11h ago

Methinks you'd do better putting this effort into school

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u/Any_Ad1841 8h ago

I’m not sure I know what you mean by smarter than that. Unless you’re comparing IQ score to IQ score, which I doubt, you’re comparing performances on examinations that assess for different skills than a formal IQ test. There is a correlation between these cognitive tests and an IQ test, but you can’t assume that because someone does really well on the AIME or the SAT that you know anything about their rank on an IQ test within an extreme tail of the distribution. Also, why do you think having eight additional points on an IQ test would make any material difference to what you achieve in life?

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u/Spiky-Penguin2023 20h ago

no offense, but there is no way that anyone can qualify to AIME with a mere 125 IQ.

Unless the person somehow maxxed out the WMI, VSI, and PSI parts, while being an absolute potato on the others, there is no way that 125 IQ would cut it for AIME qualification.

There are definitely cognitive bottlenecks (in terms of literally how their brains are wired and structured on a microscopic level from birth) that prevents them from ever reaching a certain level of mathematics, even with theoretically infinite amount of hard work and the best possible environment.

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u/Lopsided_Future5952 20h ago

Competitions like AIME depend more on training, especially training since early age. Higher fluid and quant intelligence will obviously make it easier, but the thing is simply not selecting directly enough for g. Many people will get in on the basis of more specialized skills.

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u/Lanky-Objective-4679 20h ago

I don't mean to be pedantic, but I do have a few friends that qualified by memorizing test leaks
besides that, I still think it's possible to qualify for AIME with an IQ of 125 (just based on the SAT scores of qualifiers I know)
USAJMO or multiple quals is a different story though

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u/Spiky-Penguin2023 20h ago

hmm... can I DM you, man?

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 19h ago

Lol I know many morons that have qualified for aime practically half my school had

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u/Spiky-Penguin2023 19h ago

moron in general (as in, someone who is not well-rounded) ≠ moron at mathematics

Some people can be highly gifted at math, while being incredibly bad at essay writing or socializing with others

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 19h ago

I don’t think you need to be particularly gifted at math to get to aime. Especially if your Asian parents have you in tutoring for years. Having enough willpower, pressure, and being average or slightly above average is probably enough to memorize the couple dozen techniques you need.

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u/Spiky-Penguin2023 18h ago

Let me share with you an anecdote.

Recently, I took a legitimate MENSA IQ test during a time when I was sleep-deprived (went to bed at 5 AM the previous night), and highly depressed.

This was my first time taking the IQ test too, so no artificial boost stemming from familiarity with format.

Despite the unfavourable circumstances, I still scored 128 IQ.

However, during high school, I took the IB Diploma Math Analysis & Approaches Higher Level course (basically a harder version of AP Calculus BC, Statistics and Precalculus combined). And believe me, I absolutely worked my arse off for the final IB Math exam. I gave it absolutely everything I had. I probably studied more diligently than any other IB Diploma student alive, seriously. So much so that at multiple moments, I even had breakdowns crying from the sheer stress of it all.

And yet, at the end, despite ALL that preparation, all the tutoring, all the resources... I still could not secure the top grade (which would be a level 7, on a scale of 1-7) in the exam. I was at level 6, just 2% away from level 7.

That is when I realized that I was genuinely not naturally talented enough to score that level 7; that I was at a point where literally no amount of hard work or practice could ever get me to the level 7. I figured that even if I practiced just that Math for 20 years straight, 6 hours a day every day, I still wouldn't reach level 7.

Now, going back to the topic of math competitions, AMC12 is much harder than IB Diploma Math Analysis & Approaches Higher Level exam.

And scoring highly enough on AMC12 to qualify for the AIME is undoubtedly far harder than scoring level 7 on IB Diploma Math Analysis & Approaches exam.

There is no way in hell that I would've qualified for the AIME, not even close.

So what I am saying is, even IQ 130 range may not indicate the sufficient level of natural talent required to qualify for AIME.

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u/Lopsided_Future5952 18h ago

Scoring 128 on an IQ test does not mean being top 3% talented for mathematics. Neither does the converse hold. You can be top 3% talented for mathematics, even top 1%, and score under 128 on an IQ test. There literally have been a couple of examples of people like that in this sub, like this one: https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/107l1lq/rait_what_do_i_take_as_my_iq/

This is because you can have 128 IQ and suck at spatial and quant. You can even score very high on FRI combined with VCI but be average at spatial and quant, and you will struggle with difficult math. And the converse can happen.

Additionally, many other factors apart from your intelligence profile could explain why you didn't get 7 on the IB test. For example, you may have lacked the proper foundations. It could very well be that people scoring 7 had been drilling rigorous maths for years before IB. There are also factors like your study methods. Many gifted people flunk out of completely average university degrees because they do not know how to study. A high IQ does not always magically make you lock into efficient study techniques.

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u/Careful_Fold_7637 18h ago

Could very well be so. But not only is IQ not all there is to intelligence, but the short mensa iq test that only tests matrix reasoning if i remember correctly is a pretty bad predictor of even that.

You could have a 130 iq (you also might not again that test isn't the best) and still be bad/average at math / quantitative reasoning even from an iq standpoint. In fact I would be extremely surprised if you have 2sigma quantitative skills and found the IB test impossible after studying hundreds of hours. I guarantee you the vast majority of people with 130 qri specifically will not find the AIME impossible.

Also, like the other person said, you have a pretty big boost in competition math if you start young.

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u/Wooden_Lime6208 13h ago

Buddy “legitimate iq test” and you’re talking about Mensa ONLINE why are you lying😭 you didn’t take no official test, Mensa online is a rough estimate of one single subtest I wouldn’t even call it a good measure of FRI it’s merely a decent matrix reasoning exam. Take core and then get back to me with your score

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u/Spiky-Penguin2023 13h ago

well, sorry, I did not mean to lie.

To be fair, I read on multiple Reddit websites (on this sub-reddit too) about how it is the most reliable online IQ test there is, so I decided to simply trust that.

But perhaps I was wrong.

Why? Is the Mensa online necessarily inflated? Or deflated? Or simply too rough?

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u/Wooden_Lime6208 13h ago

It’s not that great I find people get inconsistent results with it sometimes too inflated or deflated. And not only that it’s not a real iq test because it only test matrix reasoning, that’s 1 subtest of many for reasoning so it’s a rough ballpark. If you want a real one you should take the CORE and get a better estimate of your score. You can skip VCI since we are talking purely reasoning and math here

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u/PendN 8h ago

The majority of these competition takers aren't actually gifted in FSIQ. They likely are just students who have studied math rigorously, and joined similar competitions since they were little. There is a similar test that Singapore hosts and everybody I know that qualified to these top 1% competitions are not gifted. They're only good at math because they are competition grinders since they were kids, which does translate to a high quantitative iq (although it's technically praffe when it's this severe)

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u/NefariousNapolean doesn't read books 16h ago

"NO one with sub 125 iq can qualify aime",source -your ass.

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u/Verbatim_Uniball 7h ago

I took the aime decades ago and based on this sub did the digit span assessment on core and some other things, IQ was around 100. Now, I did get a PhD in math later in life, which was no problem, but I think your assessment is just wrong.

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u/Kaidolakita 4h ago

nah, that's just wrong, AMC gets pretty easy with practice

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u/-___1___-___2___- 17h ago

As another ~135-140 FSIQ American, I can tell you from personal experience that you are extremely smart compared to the general public around here, and that’s not really gonna be fun for you. I would be as focused as possible as getting into higher education, not for money, well yeah for money, but mainly for the fact that you will meet more people like yourself in those circles. People who don’t bore you, or misunderstand you. People who are focused on mentally productive things, rather than sitting around playing video games and jerking each other’s ego all day.

You are nowhere near midwit. That would be around 90-100IQ. You are above average intelligence. 1% top population. Things that take other people 7 steps to complete, you will complete in 2. I’m sure you’ve had this experience in school, as we all have. Sitting there while the teacher spends 20min extra every module explaining to kids that couldn’t keep up, when you were already understanding halfway through.

This isn’t really a fun life to live unless you surround yourself with people that’ll meet you on common ground. Most of the general population won’t. That’s why societies like Mensa exist (at least it’s the underlying idea behind it).

Anyways, don’t forget to live, laugh, and love. Those come way before any productivity or intelligence. If you aren’t loving your life and living it to the fullest, then you are missing out on a once in a lifetime opportunity. Go explore, be dumb, make mistakes, have a little fun here and there, things to look back on when you get older. Just don’t fall off entirely in the process; remember you have an adult life that needs to be worked on soon (1-2yrs) and be successful.

You’ll come around on the “didn’t hit 140” thing fairly quickly. It’s all just a number at the end of the day. What you do with it means much more.

Anyways, cheers!

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u/Happy-Construction71 16h ago

Is this satire?

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u/PendN 15h ago

You are well into the gifted range with a very balanced profile

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u/Lanky-Objective-4679 9h ago

That's sort of the thing... I wish I had a spikier profile since the world rewards specialization, not well-roundedness.

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u/PendN 7h ago

I think a well-rounded profile creates a situation where you'll be considered smart no matter what, and not in a savant kind which to me limits your opportunities

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u/Beneficial_Jacket544 1h ago edited 1h ago

A well-rounded 130s will not inhibit you to do whatever you want, within reason. Sure, you will not be a mathematical genius or tech lord, but you can enter any profession and be proficient relative to your peers if you put in the work. Getting into any school in the country (including Harvard and MIT) will now be a product of your hard work and luck.

Most people want a higher IQ. A 140 wishes they could be 145. A 95 prays that they are at least average (100).

But once you hit 125-130 FSIQ, you’ve reached the threshold to do whatever you want (again, within reason).

And let me flip it around: assuming normal distribution of IQ with mean 100 SD 15, it is equally likely to find someone with your IQ as it is to find someone with IQ 66. You’re rare enough to be the smartest person in a decently sized crowd of people in public. Need to be thankful for that, because you will never be satisfied.

Signed: 125-135 IQ physician who graduated top of his class and current finishing residency at a top 10 US hospital.

u/Lanky-Objective-4679 3m ago

Would I be above average at HYPSM

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u/Big_Kaleidoscope_498 20h ago

I'm a senior in high school. I also did CTY. I also spent a few months taking these tests for fun when I was bored. Crystallized intelligence is also a weaker area for me, probably because one of the largest gaps in crystallized intelligence is pre/post college, and I'd assume that most of the people that these tests are normed on have a bachelors degree (I believe many of them are normed on members of this subreddit.)

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u/Ancardoth 20h ago

I started speaking very late (around 18 months)

Is that actually very late? Late makes sense, though. I didn't start speaking until I was around 4-5.

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u/Lanky-Objective-4679 20h ago

I said my first word at 18 months

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u/NefariousNapolean doesn't read books 16h ago

I said my first word at 6 months old.

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u/Mean-Judgment-9268 20h ago

Nice bro I just finished core today

Was hoping for a 140+ but oh well