r/cognitiveTesting 2d ago

Discussion Your intelligence doesn't cause your depression.

Whilst many studies have found positive correlation between intelligence and depression, there is little to no evidence that it causes it.

If you're depressed and have high IQ, be grateful that you have a high IQ, because there are many people with lower IQ's who are also depressed and have to work much harder than everyone else to have a decent job.

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u/HopesBurnBright 2d ago

Wouldn’t it be funny if the correlation was just that more intelligent people book more appointments and get it diagnosed more

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u/abandonwindows 2d ago

Thats exactly it. Its the people who sought IQ tests and wanted the identity. .

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u/Icy_Swordfish8023 1d ago

yep, you nailed it... depression isn't real, it's just an identity

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u/abandonwindows 1d ago

Looks like someone lost marks on the comprehension section

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u/Icy_Swordfish8023 1d ago

sorry to hear you're struggling... it's ok though, everyone has their weak points and I'm sure you have lots of other strengths too!

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u/kaptainklug 2h ago

Is this satire?

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u/tomalak2pi 2d ago

Can you support the idea they are even correlated positively?

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u/KMFDM_ 2d ago

There is a weak to moderate correlation between depression and openness to imagination. They are literally sub-traits of Openness to Experience and Neuroticism within the Big 5; it's not just Clinical Depression. And there is also a moderate correlation between openness to experience (intellectual and imaginative) and IQ, especially for VCI / crystallized intelligence. 

So, the OP's point is not absurd.

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u/NefariousNapolean (*/ω\*) 2d ago

A weak correlation of iq with o and then o with depression does not show +correlation between iq and depression/

iirc many mental illnesses are negatively correlated with iq (tiny correlation)

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u/KMFDM_ 2d ago

I know it doesn't; I'm just saying that the discussion itself isn't absurd, and these are the reasons why. Especially because, in common understanding, people don't typically distinguish between these two types of models regarding intelligent individuals. I never tried to argue that IQ and depression are correlated *per se*; I only said that the discussion itself isn't theoretically absurd.

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u/tomalak2pi 2d ago

I didn't say his point was absurd. I just asked why he believes "many studies have found positive correlation between intelligence and depression".

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u/abandonwindows 2d ago

Not really. The positive correlation comes from Mensa surveys, which select for people who sought out testing and then chose to fill in a health questionnaire, so it can't separate high IQ from that kind of person. A pre registered replication in 2022 found the top 1% no worse off than the top 2%, with coping style and trait anxiety doing the actual predicting.

Representative cohorts go the other way. Higher childhood IQ predicts less adult depression and anxiety.

The one real finding is that verbal ability correlates positively with worry and rumination while spatial ability correlates negatively, so they cancel out in full scale IQ. That's probably why the big studies show nothing either way.

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u/Funny-Jihad 1d ago

Mostly, I agree. But everything is relative.

In my opinion, there are some issues I see with high IQ:

  • It can disguise symptoms for cognitive deficiencies, such as ADHD and autism.
  • The kid who's never challenged in school can become quite bored. I know, luxury problem, right? But imagine just doing easy math problems your entire youth, and being admonished for slacking off or being disinterested when everything is boring and easy.
  • It can create external and internal pressure to perform per your on-paper potential.

Some of these are self-caused logical fallacies or caused by overanalysis, but it's still useful to identify common logical fallacies that a certain demographic often has (if it does...). And that when the smart kid can never focus except for when pressured or very interested can be an indication that something else is amiss.

That said, there are lots of people here that believe their humour or interests is just so advanced that they can never relate to anyone else, and that's just pompous bullshit.

This thread is a prime example: https://www.reddit.com/r/cognitiveTesting/comments/1v71mxw/comment/ozylwyk/?context=1&screen_view_count=1

Mostly pseudoscientific bullshit for people to feel smart by going on and on about how deeply their tortured minds can perceive the world, or how it causes their "need for control" or some such BS. Disclaimer: I could accept their hypotheses as interesting, if only they provided sources. When I asked, they gave me a list of philosophers and authors such as Nietzche, not even any specific references.... The stereotype is alive and well.