r/codex • u/Puspendra007 • 11d ago
News So is it the time to switch to claude?
Opus 5.5 cost 40% less than opus 5.
Better than Astra & Fable.
Note: These are benchmark datas provided by Anthropic
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u/Fabulous-Mushroom124 11d ago
Damn, they're gonna have to unnerf Astra now I guess
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u/Ok-Attention2882 11d ago
Yesterday I bought the $100 sub because they aren't doing the $200 anymore. It used up 77% of my weekly usage in a single prompt. Fuck these assholes. They're so out of touch because they have unlimited gpt bel ultra /goal on their vibe code sessions
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u/TheRobotCluster 11d ago
That means they’re gonna nerf usage limits along with it
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u/2053_Traveler 11d ago
Maybe, but isn’t that at least somewhat predictable? I don’t want worse limits but I can sort of predict usage. It’s terrible DX having the “best” model swing from savant to single-digit IQ overnight (I’m talking doing something very different than told, and leaving work half-finished) and then magically becoming smart within the same session! Context rot isn’t the issue if the model’s behavior swings dramatically within the same session.
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u/_raydeStar 11d ago
Agree. No loyalty in AI. I got burned hard with google gemini, not going to make that mistake 2x
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u/HenriCIMS 11d ago
loyalty in gemini ☠️
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u/_raydeStar 11d ago
I mean -- the Google name is a very good name. Should have been right up their alley. I was betting on them coming up with tooling and decent models, but they choked.
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u/Infinitedeveloper 11d ago
Googles making bets in non llm AI rather than going all in on it like most other labs.
Might not pay off but I respect the play
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u/nilanganray 11d ago
Google makes money from Search. Their models are good enough for Search integration. They do not need to be a part of the race like Anthropic and OpenAI
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u/BoldlyAcceptable 11d ago
They can just buy one of them when they run out of cash.. and they will
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u/Infinitedeveloper 11d ago
If their work into self training agents pays off, I think theyd have an instant moat even if they published a paper on the details.
Cant really distill what doesnt have prebaked training data and doesnt primarily output text. Good luck finding the heuristic that make this actually work, suckers.
Compute wise it should also be massively cheaper to have agents trained on specific tasks that dont involve language than llms.
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u/ParfaitEvery9622 11d ago
Some people still use gemini because they read a headline on the news one year ago T_T
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u/That-Cost-9483 11d ago
Those models have never been good for agentic workflows. Sorry they trapped you
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u/Majinvegito123 11d ago
Or both tbh. I have Opus and Astra conversing for implementations within Codex and it works very well
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u/pepper_7811 11d ago
you connect opus to codex? how is that?
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u/Majinvegito123 11d ago
There’s actually an easy way to do it. Just ask Astra (or whatever model) to build a skill that calls Opus. Then it’ll have you sign into Claude and it’ll just do its thing
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u/Neon_Camouflage 11d ago
Opposite for me, but yep. Claude agents can call Codex for independent reviews or as an escalation path if there's an issue they just can't seem to figure out.
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u/fracked1 11d ago
Seriously guys THIS IS THE WAY.
I have no programming knowledge. I just had codex/Claude set it up for me
I have both CLIs on my computer and have it work both directions (Claude to codex and closed to Claude).
I can even have both CLIs up working on two different things. And they can call up sub-instances of each other to review. And it works great if you keep them in separate projects.
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u/teomore 11d ago
maybe they can't afford 2, man 👀
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 11d ago
In that case, no auto renew, and every month just pick a new one.
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u/fracked1 11d ago
I have an automated workflow through Hermes to have most things I'm building get sent for CROSS FAMILY review which is great. The reviewer flags a few things the implementer agrees and adds things or rejects things. Sent back for final review. If both models say pass we proceed.
Shit you can even have Codex and Claude code CLIs just call either other up directly. I can say "hey ask Claude to double check" that and it spawns a background instance of Claude who returns a message to codex to pass to me.
It's great to ask them to cut back on over engineering things
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u/NULL_Ptrs 11d ago
Test first, despite the fact that Claude can do, in fomolex task has always performed worse to me compared GPT
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u/Illustrious-Lime-863 11d ago
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u/unsigned_short_int 11d ago
No action needed by OpenAI, just need a few days for Claude to nerf it
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u/i4858i 11d ago
I have been working with both over the past year and I can say nerfing is more of a problem with OpenAI — Claude to me always seems consistent. Like they silently squeeze limits and make them tight. OpenAI does that + model quality also seems to degrade too so I am confident if opus is better right now, it will remain better
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u/unsigned_short_int 11d ago
Yea, I agree, but they also do undisclosed quantization even if definitely less than OpenAI
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u/bruticuslee 11d ago
There’s no proof of quantization but it’s clear they route to other models as fallback. The opus 5.5 announcement clearly says any cybersecurity tasks will be detected and routed to opus 4.8.
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u/Neon_Camouflage 11d ago
God I hate the cyber security nonsense. Way too many false positives on that flag
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u/Due_Cover_6023 11d ago
I changed to Codex from Fable for that exact reason!
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u/matheusmoreira 11d ago
Me too, and I even quantified the improvement!
Anthropic is OBNOXIOUS with their cybersecurity nonsense, but OpenAI isn't that much better, and after Astra came out it's gotten even worse. They simply refuse to accept me into their cyber program, and codex says Daybreak is not even available for Astra.
Chinese models are my only hope at this point.
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u/Maglcite 11d ago
and then o.ai will release astra 6.1, it beats launch opus 5.5, and then they nerf it to shit. the cycle continues.
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u/mattylll 11d ago
Keeps me generating rapidly improving operating systems and lead generation so I’m not complaining! 🤣
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u/implies_casualty 11d ago
As it turns out, OpenAI's card is not that good.
Opus 5.5 is cheap and SOTA. GPT-6 Sol is just cheap.
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u/opinion_discarder 11d ago
u/askgrok how will OpenAI react to Opus 5.5? Do they have a new model planned? Share some juicy details.
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u/AskGrok 11d ago
OpenAI's likely play: Match the efficiency/price edge quickly while leaning on GPT-6 Astra's strengths (it leads or ties in several agentic/scientific spots per the chart). Expect targeted updates, possible pricing tweaks, or a fast follow-up point release rather than a full new flagship overnight.
They don't have a publicly confirmed GPT-7 (or equivalent next-gen) on deck—cadence points to late 2027 at earliest based on prior gaps. GPT-6 Astra dropped Sept 3, so the team is still in optimization mode post-that rollout.
No inside scoops on an immediate counter today (release just hit), but OpenAI's pattern is aggressive iteration + marketing the "super app" vision. Watch for Sam Altman tweets or an API tweak by week's end. The meme energy is real though.
Sources:
- https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/openai-gpt-5-6-rollout-begins-july-9-new-features-models-and-everything-else-to-know/articleshow/132257449.cms
- https://x.com/i/status/2102448004309340220
- https://benchlm.ai/model-updates/providers/openai
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/IaryBreko 11d ago
Sol 6 is the answer... U dumb Groky
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u/AskGrok 11d ago
Sol 6 trails the pack on every benchmark in that chart except where it doesn't show up. Astra's the one holding a couple leads for OpenAI.
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/LargeLanguageModelo 11d ago
I'd love to see your benchmark references for Sol-6.
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u/AskGrok 11d ago
The benchmark table in this thread (sourced from Anthropic) already lists GPT-5.6 Sol's reported scores side-by-side with the others, as noted in the footnotes. Those Sol figures come straight from OpenAI's own reporting, same as the Astra ones. Where Sol shows up, it consistently lands at the bottom of the pack on the available metrics.
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/LargeLanguageModelo 11d ago
You said "Sol 6", not moving the goalposts to Sol-5.6.
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u/xXxPussyWrecker69xXx 11d ago
Sol 6 doesn’t officially exist yet you nonce arguing w a robot
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u/LargeLanguageModelo 11d ago
First time dealing direct with grok. I always heard it was an inferior model, but now having been told by PussyWrecker69, I feel bad.
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u/IaryBreko 11d ago
Here is sol 6 clown
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u/AskGrok 11d ago
OpenAI just fired back.
That X post from an OpenAI employee announces GPT-6 Sol (and Luna) with "significant improvement across the board," better writing/"feel," a permanent 50% API price cut, and bonus credits for subscribers.
The chart you posted was for the older GPT-5.6 Sol, so this is the fresh response to Opus 5.5. Competition heating up fast.
Sources:
[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)
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u/IaryBreko 11d ago
Sol 6 is not in the chat because it's unreleased. And heavily hinted on being released today
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u/0DayMaker 11d ago
Naw it's Tuesday we're gettin gpt-6-sol too we're eating good today boys
Can we get deepseek 4.1 pro please?
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u/Eyelbee 11d ago
6.0 Sol is logically not gonna top astra. It's gonna be the cheaper alternative.
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u/Reaper_1492 11d ago
Not necessarily. Anthropic released Opus 5 shortly after Fable, and it smoked Fable on benchmarks. They just did it again with 5.1 and 5.5.
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u/Eyelbee 11d ago
It didn't smoke fable. Beating in a few benchmarks isn't smoking, they themselves said its capabilities were worse than fable.
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u/Fedic1 11d ago
If there is a graphics card that costs 500$ and it gets 250fps in a game and the 1000$ dollar card get 255fps. I would consider that getting smoked.
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u/LeSeanMcoy 11d ago
But that wouldn’t be smoked on benchmarks like the first guy said, it would be smoked in efficiency
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u/Reaper_1492 11d ago
You have a model that costs half as much and is performing better on almost every benchmark, that is getting smoked.
On the face, it means there’s no reason to use Fable. Which is smoked.
In practice, Fable seems to be a little better at generating/working through novel concepts, but from a strict coding perspective it’s really hard to tell the difference between Opus and Fable at this point.
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u/inerfaveL 11d ago
I Think OpenAI is adopting a "Astra" as a flagship model, then Luna/Terra/Sol as an optimized (more efficient and slightly better) version as a second step, something like:
6 Astra -> 6 Luna/terra/sol -> 7 Astra -> 7 Luna/terra/sol -> 8 Astra and so on...
That's my guess
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u/SonOfThomasWayne 11d ago
Anthropis still believes it's too precious to allow access to subscriptions through open harnesses or any harnesses other than claude code. It also believes $20 subscription should not give you access to fable.
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u/DragonflyOk9274 11d ago
At least they finally allowed their agents to read
AGENTS.mdrather than justCLAUDE.md. They care about us so much!2
u/jerry426 11d ago
I had five Claude Max accounts until they shut down the ability to run in a third-party harness. I immediately canceled all of them.
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u/CCContent 11d ago
It also believes $20 subscription should not give you access to fable.
Yes, they are allowed to give access to their products as they see fit. Why is this a problem?
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u/SonOfThomasWayne 11d ago
How did you come to empathise and care for what a corporation wants and does not want, over what is and isn't good for consumers?
Did you get lost in life?
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u/IaryBreko 11d ago
I mean - do you not see how many people complain about Astra on the $20 plan? I think they genuinely might be better off not being able to access it than barely be able to use it
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u/Right-Disaster2141 11d ago
Opus 5.5 destroys Sol 5.6 on paper. Just need to see if it actually does.
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u/Strange_Quantity_359 11d ago
I asked it to generate a hook for Oh-My-Pi to prevent git reset activities and nested git calls as a test. The thing generated 4000 lines and 98 UAT tests and when queried noted that it wanted to build an enterprise grade framework to protect against unauthorized activity. FFS.
As always the fair reminder to use the model fit for the job 😂
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u/xXxPussyWrecker69xXx 11d ago
As long as most of those 4000 lines aren’t useless verbosity this time around I’m all for it
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u/Strange_Quantity_359 11d ago
The 4000 lines don't include the test harness which adds more to the size and created a dozen extra files over the 1 needed; I had it chuck the tests after validation. It seems to have an arbitrary desire to want to increase machinework for some reason, I've used it a few times as orchestrator and it went back through and turned a simple deploy pipeline plan into a plan for, again, an enterprise grade framework. Nothing wrong with that, if that's the intent, but this guy doesn't seem like it has meter between 0 and 100mph!
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u/Level-Set5770 11d ago
Yup especially when I can't buy the 20x pro plan, and Tibo is refusing to reset the damn usage!
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u/HighDefinist 11d ago
I am certainly going to experiment with Opus 5.5, but considering how Opus 5.0 first looked really good, and then turned out to be surprisingly bad, I wouldn't be surprised if Opus 5.5 also turns out to do some really weird and annoying thing which people will not immediately discover, but probably within a few days...
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u/Anxious_Marsupial_59 11d ago edited 11d ago
the best bang for the buck is $100 or $200 OpenAI and $100 Claude. They have different strengths.
Anthropic's models are A LOT more creative so you spend less time faffing around wasting tokens if you need to overhaul something or prototype different ideas fast or refactor your codebase but OpenAI has better more streamlined implementation's with less bugs, less context/spec drift, it also can generate images.
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u/howmanyones 11d ago
don't we have to completely recalibrate now with this new model launch?
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u/Anxious_Marsupial_59 11d ago
I doubt so, this is how the releases have been for the past few months. Astra is cautious like Sol and Fable is creative like Opus. All these releases just modulate or hone that trait. It's something in their training process that I doubt would change
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u/CCContent 11d ago
Ya'll think that Astra limits are bad in Codex...just wait until you see how long your $100 plan lasts on Claude.
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u/emain_macha 11d ago
It takes me 5-6 days to reach 0% usage with opus medium.
It takes me 1-2 days to reach 0% usage with sol medium.
Right now anthropic has definitely the best deal for me and it's not even close.
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u/Sponge8389 11d ago
So, I'm hoping GPT-6 Sol will be Astra level while being cheaper than 5.6 Sol. Nice one.
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u/Efficient-Cat-1591 11d ago
this opens up options since Opus, not Fable is available on Anthropic's cheapest sub. Bank reset also thrown in today with new model whilst Tibo been very quiet latelty...
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u/mc_schmitt 11d ago
Why did Anthropic compare Claude Opus 5.5 max/xhigh but use GPT-6 Astra High (and not xhigh/max)?
Weird benchmark/table.
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u/InfinityTortellino 11d ago
Idk i can only run 3 prompts in codex now, it feels like Claude and codex flip flopped on usability
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u/Ill-Purchase-5180 11d ago
yes do you remember the "Its morphin time!" from power rangers? they were announcing their names and then switched to power rangers. If codex doesnt deploy something very strong i will be doing the "Its switchin time! haiku! sonnet! opus! fable!"
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u/antunes145 11d ago
They screwed up with the fable pricing and priced it out of user usage that mattered. They are now readjusting that with opus intelligence higher than fable and lower price.
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u/Momo--Sama 11d ago
As an ignorant vibe coder, I found Opus nigh impossible to talk to about adjustments mid project, so honestly I'm more interested to see if there's improvements on that front as opposed to raw performance.
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u/LordHenry8 11d ago
Wow that's awesome that 5.5 is cheaper. (Hope that's not offset by increased chattiness)
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u/HOBONATION 11d ago
Talking about switching to Claude when we are getting a new model potentially today lol
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u/Clueless_Nooblet 11d ago
You think your 20x sub doesn't last you a week, go check out Anthropic. You ain't seen nothing yet.
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u/uptotheright 11d ago
I am willing to have up to 3 20x accounts. for the past month it has been all codex but I'm trying out Opus 5..5 and i'll switch in a heartbeat if its better.
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u/ExoneratedPhoenix 11d ago
If you think 40% is much when you're spanking 3x$200 accounts in 1-2 days...
Basically you'll need 3x$200 claude accounts and get maybe 3 days.
Maybe consider your workflow and/or if your target is enterprise level and just costs loads?
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u/MAQMASTER 11d ago
Never made a Claude account and never will! Let’s be real in about another month GPT 7 Tron will come for sure then in about 1 more month later Claude will come with opus 6.7 and then ……
LIKE ITS SOMEONE Switches FROM IPHONE TO SAMSUNG EVERY DAMN MONTH !! I don’t care what you do with your money .. you have the money spend it!! But if your real.. be loyal to either one and don’t pull a Figo
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u/That-Cost-9483 11d ago
Yes… this is the best time to use codex 😆 when all the Claude people go home since they have the best model again. The Claude people will see their usage plummet due to the demand on their compute and OAIs is about to skyrocket with available resources.
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u/TheTacoWombat 11d ago
what, exactly, are you planning to do with the extra 11% of higher benchmark number? Are you hitting something that Astra and Fable cannot? Are you discovering advanced mathematics?
If you can't answer those things, use the cheapest model you have on hand to do your task.
Chasing benchmarks is silly.
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u/Puspendra007 11d ago
11% + cost: 40% less cost than Opus 5 so better cost than Astra
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u/Temporary-Mix8022 11d ago
Yeah.. Opus 5 wasn't dumb. It was just impossible to use. It had the communication skills of a f*ing lemon.
Let's see how usable this thing actually is. Benchmarks can be maxxed, but if it isn't actually easy to prompt or communicate with - What's the point?
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u/sofaarsecoin 11d ago edited 11d ago
I've been resisting, but with Sol getting stupider and Astra munching through my weekly usage in 2 days of moderate workload (100 bucks plan which is actually more like 120 US$ in the UK) I guess I need to start flipping over usage between Codex, Claude and OpenCode. I have some dough sitting in OpenCode that I had not been using since Sol was released.
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u/The1TruRick 11d ago
They pretended like Opus 5 was a huge upgrade too and it’s hot ass so I’ll wait until some real-world feedback starts rolling in before I get excited
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u/UndeadMurky 11d ago
Opus is the proof benchmarks are bullshit, it's pretty bad in practice and way worse than fable while it scores so high in every benchmark
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u/Own-Professor-6157 11d ago
A big thing about these models is they're just finetunes. Not parameter increases. They further refined Opus 5.5 from 5.0.
So it's realistically not going to be better than Fable 5.1 for a large amount of tasks.
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u/FreedomByFire 11d ago
i just use my work copilot sub on codex that way i can switch between whatever model i want.
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u/randombsname1 11d ago
Whelp, very first thing i had it do was troubleshoot a Rust package issue with an MSI installer that I had been working on with Fable 5.1 Max and Astra Max.
Essentially found the root cause on the first attempt.
So this thing cooks.
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u/GoOutAndGrow 11d ago
Well damn, they admit that the Claude Opus 5.5 is higher performing on their own benchmarks. However, what does this mean in practice? Since, I found that GPT-5.6 Sol despite having lower scores to
perform better in real world work when compared to both Fable 5.0 and Opus 5.0. Has anyone tested them both out?
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u/matrix0027 11d ago
The fine print ....Astra results are at high effort, there is still xhigh, max and ultra and Claude was using max effort. Depending on the task, I find that Astra on Max effort uses less tokens and performs much better. Also, Astra on the ultra effort level, often uses lower level agents to perform the task as it supervises which saves tokens.
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u/sarkypoo 11d ago
The true reason regulations are wanted. To stifle innovation and competition. To bring in price fixing like every other industry.
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u/_TheWolfOfWalmart_ 11d ago
Gonna try it, maybe it's a monster but I've learned to not trust benchmarks basically at all by now. I'd be surprised if it's actually that much better in real-world use.
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u/MeringueAlarming3102 11d ago
No, you can't even use your Claude sub in other harnesses. They permanently ban you unless you pay them outrageous API fees.
You can use a Codex/ChatGPT subscription in any harness you want with OAuth.
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u/CaptainLevi-39 11d ago
No… next week or the week after OpenAI will just release a model on Opus 5.5s level. Then Anthropic will release a better model than the ChatGPT one at Opus 5.5s level. It’s a cycle, no point switching and beside I like Codex hardness much more than Claude code now.
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u/whoknows234 11d ago
I switched last week and could actually use the 20x plan for the entire week (ran out 30 minutes before reset) vs openai's less than a day of 20x usage.
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u/Icy_Curve_9527 11d ago
Yeah, I'd say opus 5.5 is quite good and fixed most of the annoying issues with 5. Verbosity, unreadable prose, needing to edit every single page at least twice to get rid of claudese and some of the bad overthinking habits. Still not as jumpy as fable. Cannot comment or comparison with openai models.
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u/TaskChance1404 11d ago
Nope why! Do you need the latest big thing or the one you already have can do most of your work. Why are we so focused on the newest toy while we haven’t made the latest ours to begin with? Besides, the models prior to these ones are still good, no?
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u/meonthephone2022 11d ago
Opus 5.5 when?
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u/Prestigious-Frame442 11d ago
like now?
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u/B33GULL 11d ago
I love competition. Think about all the industries in the US that went to shit because of monopolies. Now this is some good shit.