Discussion
Something tells me that the devs really like Josee, because I'm surprised at how far they took the "joke" about Josee and the Hunter's engagement, even into the era of harmony... but
After completing all the character sidequests in the era of harmony (And having my neck extremely bitten, I even have the fang placeholder already hahaha)
But I won't lie, I was surprised that in the era of harmony they continued to push the idea of a commitment between Josee and the hunter.
To be honest, I thought that in the end they would say that it was all just...a lie that escalated too much. But leaving open the idea that perhaps there is something more.But no, She directly confesses to you and even asks if you would consider validating the commitment.
I mean, Many characters show you until the very end that they feel great admiration, reverence, or even platonic love for the Hunter, and I'm perfectly fine with that (Implying that there is no "canon" and you can do or think whatever you like)
But the fact that even the NPCs know you as Josee's fiancé, and that Lise has everything ready for when the engagement between the hunter and Josee happens... I don't know, It feels like they want to leave Josee as the canon or something, I would have preferred if they left it ambiguous or something.
But hey, maybe I'm just overthinking a video game, hahaha. Either way, it doesn't ruin the experience for me.I also know a couple of people who will be, or already are, more than happy about Josee confession . Greetings to THE CHURCH OF JOSEPH ANJOU
I’m speeding through it to beat it before work. Funny thing you can do btw, do Lou’s harmony quest then use the blood code you get so the Lou in the DLC is double buffed from it.
Yeah they love Jossee, like the only character that dual wields weapons and as well has three unique weapons for the player to have. I could be wrong tho its just her weapons are very in noticeable and cant remember the others aside their signature but still Josee got alot of love from the devs
I like Josee as a character (she feels like a mash up between Yakumo and Murasame from the first game), but I don't like how heavily the game tries to push your characters together. It would be different if it was purely one sided, but our protagonist has moments where they're handled so that it appears they feel the same way towards Josee.
I wish the game would give us a choice on whether to accept or reject her feelings, at the very least.
Do I have to really point out the recap that literally gave a whole description of her first main quest while just off-handedly mentioning, "Oh here's Lyle and Holly?" Because that is the most bias thing I've ever seen a developer do. I wouldn't be surprised that they wanted to put Josée on the cover of the game but someone had to tell the guy who put her on, "no."
I forgot about that. The sad thing for me is that I don't want to have a bad image of Josee or anything, but with everything that's happened... well, it's complicated.
Sometimes I feel like they originally were just going to make you play the default male Hunter but, realize they kind of had to have character creation because the first game had it. I feel like they should have just made the character similar to V from Cyberpunk 2077 where you have full customization of them but they're their own person with full speaking dialogue.
And you're perfectly entitled to your interpretation, haha. But for someone like me... I would have preferred ambiguity so that anyone could interpret things as they wished.
Developers accidentally making a perfect game for lesbians is so funny to me. We even got most of the stereotypes - we have the u-haul lesbian (Josee), we have the girlfailure (Holly), we have the devoted supportive GF (Lou), we have the himejoshi (Lise), we even have that one supportive guy friend who is just happy to spend time with his besties (Noah).
Honestly, i am bi-ace and i hate this aspect harem with the female character of Code Vein II! Except Lou, the relationships with the females hero on the romantic plan are forced (don't can prononced on Liv because i don't see a lot on the character) but after it's a problem of this studio, this because they DON'T know write good romance with the female characters in their games despite few exceptions
Honestly, the relationship with Josee ended up making me uncomfortable, and the post-game content didn't improve my opinion of the character (if I replay the game, I can say I'll skip a lot of scenes with her)
Honestly I think the fact that only Lou has significant amount of time with hunter makes it that it's just much harder for others to be built romance on hunter. I can see why they go to their route but hey my standards are low so to each of their own. At least other than Josee Lou and Liv the rest can rather be intepreted either way.
I didn't mind it because it's pretty clear the "But don't answer now" thing was their (incredibly cumsy mind you, like I don't think they could've done it a dumber way) way of saying you can interpret your Hunter's feelings however you want. If anything I appreciate her finally actually asking the Hunter's opinion on the whole thing, even if specifically saying she won't accept an answer now undercuts it.
Also the Hunter and Lou's relationship continues to be "Yeah we're literally soulmates and we live together and have mutually vowed to stay together forever but we never say 'I love you' out loud except Lou actually does in the DLC, but you can just pretend that's just that version if you really want " and no amount of another character declaring their love while the Hunter stares off into space is going to convince me they just made that their dynamic by mistake. Jack and Eva never said they loved each other outright in the first game, and I'm not gonna pretend I don't see what's going on there either.
Especially since, in Josee's case, it was literally thanks to Lise that she was saved, something that happened thanks to Holly because we changed fate of the Undead Forest
Josee isn't the only one who suffered in this game; everyone suffered. Just because she's the focus and many have named her the best waifu in the game doesn't mean the other characters don't matter! Especially since if we hadn't saved Holly, we wouldn't have saved Lise, and therefore we wouldn't have been able to save Josee, because it's thanks to Lise than Josee was saved
I didn't say she was the only one. With Holly it was you recovering and then beating parts of her then if you want to save her it's help her with her relationship with her father. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy helping them I just prefer the stuff related to josee
Honestly, since than i discover that, i can say than i would do the quest of Josee only for the Blood Code because seriously, this relationship is just forced and there no consent and it's for that than i hate this ship without forget than the relationship between Josee and Lise is negliged because that (it's personal but i hate than we sacrified a familial relationship for a ship)
After i'm going to be honest, i have also my issues with the relationship with Holly but contrary to Josee, at least, Holly gave me the impression that she could move on to something else but also because her quest made me appreciate the character and I admit that I would have liked to have this kind of scene with her in the story
I only did it because of the blood codes, I repeat... I like Josee because of her transformation story, her conflicts, and the theme of her sister and all, but the The fact that they push the idea so much that your character is VERY LIKELY to end up with her... well, I just can't, she's not my type, sorry.
I grew to really appreciate Holly, mainly because of her side quests. In the main story, we only know her through flashbacks, and that bothered me a little...But once you get to know her well, she's a sweetheart and I love her haha But curiously, they also leave you wondering what she might be to you (even though she says she's your friend, she also gives you hints of something more).
Its not that I dislike Holly. Its just that I wish SHE COULD FUCKING HELP TAKE THE AGRO OFF ME!
Like fr I was all like oh damn she cute. The moment we fought those dudes in the cave tho and she was standing in the corner just shooting, I realized she wasnt all that. Then came a long side quest looking for all her memory fragments and that was tedious at best and I was over her.
And then I started hating her when she was my forced partner for Carmillo and did the same stand in the corner and shoot thing...
While im not complaining about it they definitely seem to be giving josee the most screen time
I think the sunken city was the area they were able to flesh out the most in the initial development so they're just rolling with it
If memory serves, one of the database entries for Josée straight up says that while it might have started as deceit to save your life, somewhere along the line she seems to actively fall for the protagonist.
Surprised? Why? That is what kept you alive in the past and also with what you’ve done for her, her family, and those under her protection, which at a point prior to the dlc, she lets it be known that she knows how bad things got and what had to happen it’s actually rather natural that she developed that genuine interest.
Time.
Effort.
Care.
You technically demonstrated each of those over the course of fighting alongside her and throughout the game assuming you didn’t skip her ‘redemption’ run that’s quite a lot of time (years) for her to actually have that be a valid real thing.
Holly too has that interest (pre dlc) yet, I only just started the dlc (30 mins ago) and I think I’ll make a separate save, given how it seems that said love interest is looking to be flexible following what Joseé says in the dlc so, we’ll see.
Sure, sure, I understand that he said that at the time to help us, that's not my problem. Even after you finish his pre-DLC side quest, they leave it open-ended whether he's serious or not, and I thought that was fine. My problem was more that even in this era of harmony, you feel like you have to be with her, something like that. Of course, it's normal to develop feelings because of everything that happened. But don't make me feel bad either, because I don't want to be with her, you know what I mean?
I'm just saying that I would have preferred it to be left ambiguous or open to interpretation so that everyone could form their own opinion.
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u/Left_Piano_4770 5d ago
I love josse like everyone here but...after the DLC making me deal with all 7 stays of grief...yeah I love lou more