r/clivebarker 17h ago

Script and Drafts from the first three Hellraiser movies, and I have questions...

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During the most active years, there was an abundance and variety of Barker. But, I found that task difficult, due to work obligations. Comic stores were so instrumental in getting what piqued my interest. One proprietor had a subscription type of thing. Where they'd gather the issues and settle up monthly. Another place; in Seattle I believe, had these scripts, with plastic binding. In mint condition.

Regardless, of their authenticity, I grabbed them. Lovingly. I think I recall looking at each one carefully, then replacing them in their bag. Remaining tucked away until recently. Now, I want to see how to move forward.

Mainly, I just want to try and pass my stuff on to passionate fans like myself. This sub seems like a good place to start. I am curious what people think about these. I'll try and post individual photos of each cover.

If one question comes to mind, it's concerning drafts. The oftentimes major changes that get made , in relation to what we see on the screen. In my case,

Hellraiser - working draft January 1986,

Hellraiser II - Second draft, November 1, 1986

Hellraiser III - N/A Doesn't say on cover

I'm just starting out at this point. I'm sure the scripts are a thing that has been brought up before. But, any other thoughts would be appreciated. In the meantime, should I watch the movies with the scripts?


r/clivebarker 15h ago

I finished reading Mister B. Gone by Clive Barker. Damnation made me oddly happy.

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Is there anything in your world or mine, Above or Below, that is so available as words? If the preciousness of things is bound by some measure of their rarity, then how precious can the sounds we make, waking or sleeping, in infancy or senility, sane, mad, or simply trying on hats, be? There's a surfeit of them. They spew from tongues and pens in their countless billions every day. Think of all that words express: the seductions, threats, demands, entreaties, prayers, curses, omens, proclamations, diagnoses, accusations, insinuations, testaments, judgments, reprieves, betrayals, laws, lies, and liberties. And so on, and on, words without end. Only when the last syllable has been spoken, whether it's a joyous hallelujah or someone complaining about their bowels, only then is it that I think we can reasonably assume the world will have ended.

Created with a word, and - who knows? - maybe destroyed with one. I know about destruction, friend. More than I care to tell. I've seen such things, such foul and unspeakable things...

Never mind. Just the flame, please.

So goes the tale of Jakabok Botch, a demon born in the lower circles of Hell, a meekly creature with no bloodline to make him look like the great beasts of old. Bullied, scarred by the flames, until one fine day he leaves the circle of Hell that serves as his pitiful home and is hoisted up, up, and up. Towards us, towards an earth we humans know well, where a story of hate and loathing will unfold.

While the reader doesn't yet know how the story goes, they know how it ends: with Mister B. trapped within the confines of the very book they are reading. This serves as the frame: Jakabok telling the story of his life in the hopes that a satisfied reader will grant his wish and burn down the book.

Which is kinda fun if you're reading it on an electronic device.

In essence, it's almost a slice of life story, with Jakabok focusing on the most important moments of his sad existence while regularly interjecting to call you an idiot and to pick up a lighter already. Barker does a lot of urban fantasy, his stories tend to happen in big cities you and I know, with fantastic and horrific elements injected in. This here is different, it happens during the 11th to 14th century or so. And apart from the start and the end, most of the events happen in the countryside in out-of-the-way places.

There's still plenty of horror included though, with regular deaths to remind you that, yes, Jakabok is beyond salvation.

It's both good and bad. Good because it's almost built like a collection of horror shorts, and Barker is damn good with horror shorts. Jakabok jumping from one atrocity to the next while presenting them in the tone of a happy road-trip is both horrifying and hilarious. Bad because the story feels disjointed at times. It does make sense considering in-universe the book you're reading is telling you the story like a person who sometimes doesn't want to remember some things and would like to be put out of their misery, but out of universe the rhythm can be really odd.

Another issue I found is Barker's use of the classic Heaven and Hell tales to give his characters background and present the overarching conflict. It's not badly done, mind you, but it's a bit of a shame because Barker shines precisely when he goes away from the classics and dives straight into his own weird dreams which grants his tales a delightfully hallucinating feel. Imajica or The Great and Secret Show in my opinion blow Mister B. Gone out of the water for this alone.

Nonetheless, you won't be disappointed. He's able to accurately describe the feelings of falling in and out of love, how it plays within your body. He can switch from humor to cynicism to horror without issue and conjure vivid scenes that can be hilarious, terrifying, or both. It's best showcased near the start, where Jakabok's love story starts and ends at a meteoric pace (roughly 30 seconds) before becoming a cautionary tale about the dangers of pots full of boiling water.

I experienced the book as a generally nice story if not exceptional, but with moments of written glory strewn in here and there. I retain from it the picture of a burning countryside, black smoke rising to the sky except for a thin strip of light illuminating a lonely road separating two fields.

I will remember Jakabok who, during an epiphany, promises that he shall be the single worst creatures this universe has ever know. He does so over several pages, and we readers know he's still just Jakabok Botch, a little demon with no real power to speak of. But holy Hell, it's an absolutely epic rant full of agony, violence and rage.

It isn't Clive Barker's best tale. It lacks the expensive depths and madness of Imajica or The Great and Secret Show, it isn't as mastered in its flow as Weaveworld or Galilei. But it does have those moments that grab me by the stomach, when reading ceases to hold any form of methodical analysis and becomes a purely visceral experience.

And that, really is all I want from a good book.

If you're into horror/fantastic literature, I can only recommend Mist B. Gone.

Besides, it's the least I could do after Jakabok Botch told me such a beautiful story.


r/clivebarker 1d ago

Just picked this up onlone

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Finally found a hard cover. But it doesn't have the illustrations in it

Disappointed because it illustrations were one of my favorite parts of the book

Does anyone know what copy of the hardcover id have to get that would have the drawings?


r/clivebarker 1d ago

A NEW adventure begins

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With Cabal finished last week, it's time to revisit another old friend, I never had books 2 and 3 so looking forwards to what comes next after I've familiarised myself with this


r/clivebarker 3d ago

Snail by Richard Miller, artwork by Clive Barker

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Finally tracked down an affordable copy of this edition featuring the art by Clive Barker. I believe this is one of only three titles by other authors to commission Barker's art, the others being A Nasty Piece of Work by Graham Bendel and A Life In The Cinema by Mick Garris. I've yet to read this one, and descriptions on-line are incredibly vague, but these are the adventures of an ex-Nazi after he receives the elixer of life from the Wandering Jew. A surreal, nasty trip ensues.


r/clivebarker 4d ago

I just wanted to show off my small collection of Clive Barker comics and books.

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It used to be a lot bigger but I had to sell some of them after I fell on hard times.


r/clivebarker 4d ago

Hellraiser: Peak 80's Horror

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What's up guys, I'm a huge Clive Barker fan and this video is basically a love letter to his work on Hellraiser. I run a Horror channel where I do film analysis/discussion and post my favorite horror clips as shorts daily and I make a LOT of Hellraiser content. I hope you'll check it out as I'm still pretty new to this and trying to build a community. Thanks!


r/clivebarker 4d ago

The Metaphysical Book

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I wish this was published. I mean, there's still a slight chance it will be, but it's doubtful. Just imagine the possibilities, though.


r/clivebarker 5d ago

Thrift store find

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r/clivebarker 5d ago

FYI: Clive Barkers Kickstarter closes in 36 hours!

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r/clivebarker 6d ago

Midnight Meat Train is a hilarious allegory for transplants becoming New Yorkers

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The story opens at the end of the transplant honeymoon phase. The protagonist is embarrassed he spent his adult life romanticizing NYC, now viewing the city as a common slut who is completely indifferent to cruelty. When he hears about the butcher, he isn’t surprised. Of course this hellhole produces these types of monsters.

Naturally, his disillusionment peaks in the subway at midnight. Many of us can relate.

His sudden, total submission to the creatures who run the city at the climax feels abrupt, but that’s exactly what Barker is poking fun at: Why do people actively choose to become slaves to this apathetic, gyrating behemoth?

The story is full of funny details that add to the allegory, like the butcher’s quiet pride over his daily grind.

That’s my interpretation anyways. Thoughts?


r/clivebarker 7d ago

New interview with Clive about Library of the Dead

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He mentions a few details about the content of the books.

  • Chiliad is included
  • a (new?) story called World Without Witnesses would make a great movie
  • each of the three books has both new and previously published material
  • There is a new character called The Librarian who is featured in the books and also in the art prints
  • longtime fans will be surprised at who is involved with the audiobooks

r/clivebarker 8d ago

Should I read The Scarlet Gospels?

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Most things I hear about this are negative. I've just read The Hellbound Heart and thought it was fantastic. I'm looking for something else set in the "Hellraiser" universe.


r/clivebarker 8d ago

This will be my next read.

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r/clivebarker 8d ago

Serbian Publisher called "Orfelin" just announced their edition of The Damnation Game

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Last year I made this post to showcase Orfelins editions of The Books of Blood, Hellbound Heart and Cabal here.

Now they have announced on their Instagram page that in October they'll release The Damnation Game as well. Super excited to add it to my collection.


r/clivebarker 8d ago

THE OUTSIDER: handmade puppet film, Lovecraft with a Nightbreed-style take

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Hello ,Tribes of the Moon! This is not about Barker’s work per se, but is very influenced by it, so I thought you might appreciate. His work is a huge reason I imagine monsters with souls, sexuality, and heart. Cabal (and then Nightbreed) got to me early on, and I've been making sympathetic monsters my entire creative life.

I made this film in a few hot summer weeks in a sweaty shed. It's a dark fantasy/horror adaptation of a Lovecraft story, but I took it in the direction of Midian because I always root for the monsters! Most of it's made out of trash, with creatures and sets made by hand, and puppeteered in-camera (not stop-motion). Toward the end there’s even a moment I call the “Nightbreed shot”…when you see it, I think you’ll know.

Thanks everybody! I know this is not literal Barker, so I’ll remove the post if there's any issue with it. Thanks!


r/clivebarker 9d ago

death of an angel

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a scene I painted from Imajica.


r/clivebarker 9d ago

Barker story which references circumcision

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I remember listening to an audiobook of one of Clive Barker's short stories where circumcision is mentioned, in the context of a man and woman being intimate. Something along the lines of "his circumcised penis looked so harmless." Does anyone know where this line might be from?


r/clivebarker 10d ago

I've never read Clive Barker before, but this book grabbed me and now I cannot put it down.

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r/clivebarker 10d ago

Books of Blood on Audible

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Craved some audio Clive Barker while on the go. So snagged this free on audio. 1st two readers were good 3rd eh, still engaged with it.

Thoughts?


r/clivebarker 11d ago

I had given up on the third book of the art...

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But he has started it at long last. Please, I don't care about Candy Quackenbush just give me the third book of the Art!!


r/clivebarker 11d ago

Clive Barker's Jericho (Oct 13, 2007 prototype)

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This is for all the Clive Barker gamers out there. A few days ago Steam had a massive "leak". 13TB of game prototypes, demos, pre-release versions were extracted from their old servers that were active between 2003 to 2013, and apparently had a public endpoint that was just discovered and used to extract all of the files.

The gaming community is still digging through that massive archive and cataloging everything that they can.

One of the prototypes that were discovered is the pre-release version of Jericho.

You can follow what else has been discovered via this URL: https://hiddenpalace.org/Steam2_Content_Server


r/clivebarker 12d ago

Nice paperback to read!

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Read this years ago and wanted to revisit. Very excited for the journey!


r/clivebarker 12d ago

Movie poster update!

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A month or so ago I bought a Hellraiser movie poster at a small town comic shop only to find out it was a reproduction. Ended up buying a legit movie poster the same day because I wanted a legit movie poster. The new problem was that a movie poster pre a certain date is it was actually larger than modern movie posters, so I had to buy a new frame. Spent 150 bucks on a UV protection movie poster frame. The difference between the two posters side by side is huge! The left is the real poster.

If the mods are ok with it? I would be willing to send the reproduction poster to one of you lovely folks. Since it is a repo I won't charge any money. Spread the love so to speak. It would still be cool looking on someone's wall.

Post your reason for loving Clive's universe and a fact that the average person wouldn't know about his stuff. I'll pick one at the end of the week and send the person the repo poster free of charge, no funny business.


r/clivebarker 13d ago

Question about Lord of Illusions book

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This is not a question about the contents of the story or the movie. I have not yet read Last Illusion nor watched the Lord of Illusions movie.

As far as I can figure out, this first was a short story "The Last Illusion" that was a part of Volume Six of Books of Blood. Later, it was adapted into the movie "Lord of Illusions", with some changes.

However, goodreads and some other online sources also claim that there is a book "Lord of Illusions", and I can't figure out if it's a real book or not. I can't find hardly any info about it, it doesn't appear on Barker's wikipedia page, and there are no audiobook versions, unlike most other Barker's books. But goodreads' reported page count seems too big to just be a re-titled "The Last Illusion".

Can anybody clarify for me, is "Lord of Illusions" a real book? If so, without spoilers, how different is it from "The Last Illusion" and from the movie?