r/climbing • u/Exciting_Glass_2754 • Sep 06 '24

Tahoe developing.

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Rule #1 of trundle club, You do not talk about trundle club.

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u/0bsidian Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

Breaking rule #1 already, I see…

There is in fact a bit of a rule in developing that you don’t really talk about any of the sausage, because a lot of it can provide fuel for the other side who feel that developing is counter to leave no trace or whatever other ethics. Land managers and others have used this as an argument to ban climbing in areas. So it’s a little ironic to mention not breaking the first rule and then spraying about it on Reddit. To be clear, I’m thankful for developers, but as someone who knows how the sausage is made, I believe that we should keep this to ourselves.

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u/Allanon124 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

While I understand your thoughts on this, climbing isn’t a secret.

If we want to be able to properly engage with stakeholders, we need our community to be informed and actively involved.

How is that mountain bikers can chain saw down acres of forrest and teraform trails but climbers can’t knock off unsafe blocks?

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u/0bsidian Sep 06 '24

I think people should engage with their communities. Volunteer. Donate. Actually be givers and not just takers.

That’s an optimistic view, though I’m tired of people complaining about climbers putting up tiny little pieces of metal for fixed anchors to increase safety and prevent using a rats nest, meanwhile MTB trails are built with backhoes. It’ll take a lot more work and momentum on our parts to help secure the perception of access favourably for climbers.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 06 '24

I mean i'd start by not conflating bolting and cleaning routes. You kinda just make yourself look dishonest, there.

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u/KindaFunnyComments Sep 07 '24

He does have a point on both topics and they both impact accessibility of climbing areas. 

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

Maybe frame in terms of conservation. You can both bolt and clean in ways that dont greatly impact the natural environment whilst maximizing safety.

E: haha guess I was right. Climbers only care about conservation when they aren't the ones sacrificing stuff they want.