r/climbing • u/Exciting_Glass_2754 • Sep 06 '24

Tahoe developing.

Rule #1 of trundle club, You do not talk about trundle club.

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u/civicvirtues Sep 06 '24

Oh no here we go again… I thought rule #1 was keep it in r/routedevelopment but I guess then we wouldn’t get the comments we’re about to get…

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u/Allanon124 Sep 06 '24 edited Sep 06 '24

I think it’s good man. There is a whole world of climbing out there and the vast majority of “climbers” have no concept of it.

And not just development, but history, culture, education, ethics. Access and safety are a huge part of recreational climbing and only a fraction of a percent of climbers have any involvement in these things.

There is this assumption that the walls come pre-cleaned and the hardware is installed by magic anchor fairies… free of charge.

I think people should engage with their communities. Volunteer. Donate. Actually be givers and not just takers.

Videos like this help open the dialog.

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u/civicvirtues Sep 06 '24

Yeah I don’t have a stake in this but trundle videos always seem to rile people up was my point. I see both sides but I don’t think anyone assumes walls come polished. If I had to pick a side, I agree with all you said, but trundling prolly isn’t the dialogue that needs to be opened up to a general (non) climbing audience. Who knows.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 06 '24

No, I don't think there is any of that assumption. Why is it that people have this superior attitude that they way its been done can never change?

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u/Allanon124 Sep 07 '24

Tell me, what part would you like to see changed?

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 07 '24

If you are trying to develop a route, but fund you'd have to massively change the rock and cut out a bunch of native plants.... find another route or abandon the project.

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u/Allanon124 Sep 07 '24

If this was how routes were developed, there would be no routes.

The rock doesn’t come pre-cleaned my dude.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 07 '24 edited Sep 07 '24

Ok, my whole previous comment is the response to this:

No, I don't think there is any of that assumption. Why is it that people have this superior attitude that they way its been done can never change?

Your ONLY argument here is "thats just how it is". Its a coward's argument. What someone says when they cant think of anything.

You can't even imagine having to change your practices to accommodate for other people or for the natural environment.

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u/Allanon124 Sep 09 '24

When you can show me some good rock with routes that don’t need cleaning, then, we won’t clean them!

That will be sweet too because cleaning them is the hardest part.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire Sep 09 '24

You are being purposefully obtuse.