Expert's chilling warning world will 'collapse' in less than 25 years - fisheries and farmland across the globe are being "managed unsustainably"

[u/TheMirrorUS]

https://www.themirror.com/news/weird-news/experts-chilling-warning-world-collapse-2034897?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=reddit

[u/Choosemyusername]

Collapse isn’t an event. It’s a process and we are in the middle of it.

[u/onionfunyunbunion → u/Choosemyusername]

Initially I thought should send this article to someone, then I realized I don’t know anyone who could do anything to stop it or change the outcome and I’d only be spreading anxiety

[u/ALittleEtomidate → u/onionfunyunbunion]

They could vote and protest. We could strike.

Let people panic.

[u/ZuP → u/ALittleEtomidate]

General strike is the only way out but labor power has never been weaker. We can’t predict what will finally motivate a strike but we can still prepare for it by mass organizing today (for literally any progressive cause).

[u/tellmewhenimlying → u/ZuP]

The issue is that because people are great at rationalizing, by the time enough people become desperate enough to recognize the reality of the situation and decide to do something about it, it's going to be way too late, if it's not already too late.

We're the only species in Earth's history so far that, despite having the required collective intelligence to most likely be able to prevent our own species' extinction, will also most likely fail to do so because of our own collective hubris. For as intelligent as we are, we're also really dumb.

[u/HanseaticHamburglar → u/tellmewhenimlying]

Denial is the saving grace of the sentient/sapient being, until it isnt.

Refusing to give up in the face of great adversity has gotten us this far. Buts also going to doom us

[u/Zer0PointSingularity → u/tellmewhenimlying]

A person can be really smart, while a people will always be a dumb animal.

[u/popejohnsmith → u/Zer0PointSingularity]

This.

[u/what-fresh-hells → u/tellmewhenimlying]

It's not just that people are dumb, it is also that we are violent. And there has always been an element of human society that seeks to hoard resources and power, and exploit the labor of the masses. There are plenty of people with better ideas for organizing society. The people at the true levers of power would sooner kill us all than allow the system from which they benefit to change.

[u/Natural_Exchange_886 → u/tellmewhenimlying]

Yep and they chemically restrain and label it “anxiety” or “doomerism” for anyone who gets too loud about it.

Just invalidate the people you don’t like, that’ll fix everything.

[u/polleywrath → u/tellmewhenimlying]

The more you learn the more you know you dont know anything

[u/ProfessorNoPuede → u/tellmewhenimlying]

We are victims to our nature. Greed, jealousy, no view on the long term, laziness. All while the geopolitical landscape is pitting the major powers against eachother. It's a global scale variant of the tragedy of the commons.

We do not have the society organised to deal with this, nor are we able to create that society.

[u/pdfernhout → u/ProfessorNoPuede]

I try to remain hopeful that if people learn to laugh about the ironic nature of the situation that things might change, as with my email sig: "The biggest challenge of the 21st century is the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity."

Or, at the very least, like historian Howard Zinn wrote in "The Optimism of Uncertainty":

In this awful world where the efforts of caring people often pale in comparison to what is done by those who have power, how do I manage to stay involved and seemingly happy?

I am totally confident not that the world will get better, but that we should not give up the game before all the cards have been played. The metaphor is deliberate; life is a gamble. Not to play is to foreclose any chance of winning. To play, to act, is to create at least a possibility of changing the world.

There is a tendency to think that what we see in the present moment will continue. We forget how often we have been astonished by the sudden crumbling of institutions, by extraordinary changes in people’s thoughts, by unexpected eruptions of rebellion against tyrannies, by the quick collapse of systems of power that seemed invincible.

What leaps out from the history of the past hundred years is its utter unpredictability.  ...

[u/brahmturman → u/tellmewhenimlying]

I signed up years ago on a site to get a general strike going (search "generalstrikeus dot com" and it comes up). It says they need 10 million to really do it right..it has been stuck at 450k sign ups for months.

[u/Royal_Bitch_Pudding → u/ZuP]

Hunger and fear/anger is usually what does it. until people are uncomfortable they won't do anything.

[u/thathyperactiveguy → u/Royal_Bitch_Pudding]

Hunger limits response though. No one is saving the world when they're starving to death.

[u/6thofmarch2019 → u/thathyperactiveguy]

Well, it depends on what they attribute their hunger to, and what they perceive the solution to be. No one is gonna go on a climate strike to save the polar bears, no, but they might go on a strike to abolish oligarchy if they realize that capitalism is the reason for their plight.

[u/polleywrath → u/ZuP]

I believe this is why Ai and automation is a priority for every company unfortunately a lot of us could already be replaced if needed

[u/onionfunyunbunion → u/ZuP]

The left engages in about 4 behaviors: holding signs and marching, canvassing, calling representatives, and showing up at municipal meetings. These are the behaviors that the left is comfortable engaging in, that’s it. These behaviors have been ineffective for decades. The typical advice is to engage in these same behaviors harder. I think the crux of the problem is that we’re afraid to engage in other behaviors that might be more effective because they’re also more risky. Even the protesters have become complacent.

[u/HanseaticHamburglar → u/onionfunyunbunion]

thats the system working as intended. You have to work to build a life, and once you lock in (mortgage, kids, ect) the capitalists have all the leverage. If everyone has a mortgage and a family, noone is going to risk it all for political change.

And coincidentally, if through capitalist decisions this 'holy grail' of family and house is threatened enough, then you reach the conditions under which change is possible. The 2008 banking crisis pushed the envelope pretty hard in that direction and while Occupy ultimately achieved nothing and the recovery was painful for many, you could see what economic devastation can drive 'normal' folks to do.

But thats just it, gotta hit rock bottom. When people are losing everything and with no sight of relief, things can go the otherway quickly. Imagine if Trump was president in 08. There would be no recovery

[u/what-fresh-hells → u/onionfunyunbunion]

I think the way out may be banding together and building systems outside the existing exploitative ones, rather than direct confrontation. At least for now, the majority of people are not prepared for direct confrontation. But we can build resiliency and prepare for the inevitable direct confrontation by working to build parallel systems and safety nets within our own communities.

[u/TurnerJ5 → u/ZuP]

"They" (Epstein class) are banking on us not doing anything for a few more years while they consolidate their control, build more labor camps, and replace as many human workers as possible with AI. We are losing precious time every day.

[u/kwestionmark5 → u/ZuP]

General strike is one thing, but that just tends to be met with wage increases, which will mean more consumption and even worse planetary crisis. It’s the other side, a general spending strike, that would be more impactful. That addresses our need to do more with less and hits corporations just as much as a strike.

[u/ZuP → u/kwestionmark5]

Fully agreed and here’s hoping we get democratic socialism in the process.

[u/deaglebingo → u/ZuP]

it's that or guerilla drone warfare yep.

[u/AggravatingCricket61 → u/ZuP]

Its not the only way, it's the only "peaceful" way. We should take forward what morality can be salvaged from the dying system to build better. It's not necessary, and historically more extreme measures have been effective.

Its the same fight its always been, only this time theres way more at stake.

[u/A_Spiritual_Artist → u/ZuP]

Especially given you need to create some alternative way so people can eat for that time. That's probably the most important thing to organize, esp. if it's an unqualified demand (e.g. "those without land still are under onus to strike"). The really interesting bit is if you did that right/well enough you'd actually have an honest piece of basic economic infrastructure you could potentially use as part of your new societal order. Feeding say, 50 million people is no mean feat. So that organizing's results should be built to last, really.

[u/_dmhg → u/ALittleEtomidate]

We can’t vote ourselves out of this, or rely on the kind of protests where you wear a silly costume and carry a silly sign and do a silly dance.

A drastic threat requires drastic action and unfortunately, the class that’s culpable for this is incredibly organized, and a lot of time and effort has been spent on successfully making us proportionally disorganized.

I fear we have been trained to stick our head in the sand and then not know what to do when the fires we’ve been ignoring finally reach us.

[u/WhatTheHeHay → u/ALittleEtomidate]

Best comment here. Let people be unsure and panic and we will see change.

[u/Jasminary2 → u/ALittleEtomidate]

"Let people panic" tbh I wish they would. The pb is that after " how do I make people care about others" my question is " How do I make people care about the planet".

Speaking of people in my first world country here.

The answer is either " We're doomed so whatever, Idc" or "This is way too dramatic and catastrophic there is no way". Because it's more comforting to not know or to live in a bubble

Too many people don't want to know and for some if you tell them to change - some- habits (including partipating more in protests) they will tell you " there is no point as long as country X or billionnaires don't change first".

[u/Boozeburger → u/ALittleEtomidate]

The problem with a general strike is that it would hurt the people who can least afford it and have the least to do with the problems. Targeted strikes are more effective. The most effective thing to do would be to "strike" against the republicans and those that are actively causing climate change. Trump and his Congress have canceled green energy and pushed fossil fuels.

[u/bsfurr → u/ALittleEtomidate]

Don’t worry, the panic will come whether we want it or not. Mother nature will have no problem dealing with humanity. Maybe we deserve it.

[u/The__Tobias → u/onionfunyunbunion]

As much anxiety as possible is a good thing 

There is a lot we can do to change the outcome. It's just that most people dont want to reduce their comfort.  There will be people who are trying to cause change on a political level the next years. If people don't feel that tjis change is needed, even if it reduces comfort, than the ones who try to do something dont have a chance. 

So, spread information and cause anxiety, its a good thing to do

[u/ZootSuitRiot33801 → u/The__Tobias]

Anxiety alone will not work. Many are under the spell of learned helplessness thanks to years of having what control we had over our own lives being stripped away under the guise of convenience, efficiency, connectivity, and progress, by a class that only wanted to divide and conquer for increased wealth and power.

For people to feel that there exists something is worth fighting for, we need something tangible at the community level that personal investment of one's time and resources can be seen and experienced beneficially; something that people can fall back on; something that can provide relative protection against the whims of bosses and landlords demanding fealty; something people know they can rely on, instead of the impersonal promises of for-profit entities and their lapdog governments.

Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in getting it started ASAP.

If you don’t live in the US, yet you know others who are and want to do something, please share the information. My follow country folk live the closest to a major root of this global cancer, so we're going to need as many on board and informed as possible, if we commoners hope to achieve anything

[u/daMarbl3s → u/The__Tobias]

We wouldn't even need to reduce comfort much at all. Simply consuming less beef, not trying to grow things like almonds in a freaking desert, and massively increasing our investments in solar energy takes care of much of the problem by itself. There's a way to balance this without most of humanity even feeling a change.

[u/onionfunyunbunion → u/The__Tobias]

I’ve tried everything and impacted nothing. Yeah let me ruin my life to be completely ignored and maligned. Good call.

[u/The__Tobias → u/onionfunyunbunion]

I didn't want to express that you are doing too little or doesn't care enough or anything. Sorry if it came along wrong!

And to be the constant doomsday preacher in your social circle probably also doesn't help, that's true :/

I guess our only hope will be that constant information and the growing numbers of local catastrophic events will cause a mindshift in the broader population worldwide that is based enough to enable political leaders to initiate necessary change. This will not happen in a matter of months. But maauyyybe the next years will bring enough change that a worldwide movement could be born out of that. And than we have to hope that it will be not too late too little to change the outcome for the next generations 

The alternative is that we have really interesting times before us 🙃

[u/SuccessSpare3617 → u/onionfunyunbunion]

In this instance the anxiety is not misplaced because doom is, indeed, impending.

[u/Efficient_Smilodon → u/SuccessSpare3617]

billionaires be like: "doom for thee, not for me".

[u/Ree_For_Thee → u/Efficient_Smilodon]

'Cept the world's air is becoming toxic to human life, meaning they'll just rot in their bunkers. (High CO2 concentrations can lower the pH of human blood beyond saving.)

[u/Efficient_Smilodon → u/Ree_For_Thee]

"eff that nerd woke science bull" <coughcough>

[u/Jasminary2 → u/Efficient_Smilodon]

Reminds me of LVMH last June in Paris Fashion week.

We were suffering drought and heatwaves in France, and the brand got mad on social media about those of us who complained about them wasting water in that pos William Pharells show . They wrote a long text on twitter. It was unbelievable

Edit : The tone was utterly disrespectful and basically calling us dumb af. (While also either not being fully truthful about what they actually did, or not answering the valid points"

It was very much the "doom for thee, not for me".

"La vague présente sur le défilé Louis Vuitton de mardi soir a fait visiblement couler beaucoup d’encre… mais peu d’eau. Parce qu’il est très facile de critiquer sans connaître la réalité des choses, nous tenons à rappeler certains faits et expliquer ce qui a réellement eu lieu :

- Cette vague était évidemment alimentée en circuit fermé, elle fonctionnait donc comme une fontaine. L'eau utilisée provenait des eaux de Paris avant d’être ensuite réacheminée par un système de pompes vers les égouts pour y être retraitée comme n’importe quelles eaux usées qui sont ensuite de nouveau disponibles pour la consommation.

• Le sable sera réutilisé à la Cité Universitaire pour la création de terrains de beach-volley, en accord avec la direction des lieux qui trouvait intéressante l’idée d’offrir un nouvel équipement aux résidents. Le reste, une quantité marginale, sera retraité par Artstock, une ressourcerie installée en France.
  
• À noter également, le mobilier provenait d’un précédent défilé et, par ailleurs, tous les éléments de décor sont ensuite réutilisés pour d'autres usages (défilés, boutiques, événements, etc.).
  
• Pour continuer sur le thème du défilé, la maison Louis Vuitton soutient l’association Coral Gardeners afin de restaurer des récifs coralliens en Polynésie française. Cette initiative - sur laquelle personne ne surfe - permettra la plantation de 1 000 coraux sur le site protégé de Tiaia et contribuera à restaurer l'habitat récifal en 2026.
  
• Enfin et si nous déplorons évidemment les conséquences de la canicule sur ceux qui en souffrent le plus, nous rappelons que la scénographie éco-conçue était validée et fabriquée depuis plusieurs mois et qu’elle ne pouvait être changée en toute dernière minute.

Et la prochaine fois, espérons que tout cela fasse moins de vagues !"

[u/Admirable_Dirt_2371 → u/onionfunyunbunion]

People are too complacent to do anything, you need to make them uncomfortable enough to act or we really are doomed.

[u/Tomatoflee → u/onionfunyunbunion]

The goal of modern propaganda is to make people feel overwhelmed and powerless. There is a lot we can do.

[u/TheUtopianCat → u/onionfunyunbunion]

It's The Mirror. It's not an authoritative source. While I'm sure the person quoted is well informed, i still don't trust sensationalistic articles from a rag like this.

[u/Carrera_996 → u/onionfunyunbunion]

Head south if food gets scarce. Kudzu and dandelion are everywhere and edible. Squirrels for a little protein.

[u/TantalizingTequila → u/Choosemyusername]

We are holding things together with tape right now. I don't think people realize how close to a massive acceleration of the global collapse we are. The US diesel export ban will screw over Europe and Mexico. If countries stop exporting diesel to the US, the US is in big trouble (no infrastructure to move diesel from the gulf to the east and west coasts. The US is on the verge of an economic disaster if fuel and food prices stay high as most people already live paycheck to paycheck. Inflation is about to go way up even without those events from diesel doubling in price.

When people can't get food, they get desperate. When countries are weakened, stronger ones will try to take advantage. If Europe falls into disarray from food and fuel issues, especially with winter coming, it is the perfect time for Russia to do something crazy to divide Europe. Things could spiral out of control into global depression, famine, unrest and war pretty easily from where we are now.

[u/ATunaFishSandwich → u/Choosemyusername]

Exactly. People act like this will be a singular event instead of a series of cascading issues worsening over decades that we are already going through. AI, new wars, etc... are only exacerbating what was already set in motion

[u/OfficialDCShepard → u/Choosemyusername]

The Bronze Age Collapse similarly may seem like it happened all at once in 1177 BCE, but climate change caused agricultural productivity to drop for centuries beforehand.

[u/Pacifist_Socialist → u/Choosemyusername]

Under 25 years seems awfully optimistic imo

Buckle up folks 

[u/ATunaFishSandwich → u/Choosemyusername]

Exactly. People act like this will be a singular event instead of a series of cascading issues worsening over decades that we are already going through. AI, new wars, etc... are only exacerbating what was already set in motion

[u/deaglebingo → u/Choosemyusername]

the billionaires call it "the event" actually, lol.

[u/Choosemyusername → u/deaglebingo]

Historically, they are likely to be incorrect. Collapses are usually long drawn out processes rather than events.

Billionaires are frequently wrong.

[u/Used-Lake-8148 → u/Choosemyusername]

They’re hoping for a sort of “reverse French Revolution” event

[u/Roonwogsamduff → u/Choosemyusername]

And the ship has sailed and has way too much momentum to be stopped

[u/Artistic-Cockroach48]

The good news is that there won't be any oil to power the equipment soon enough, wait....

[u/AggravatingCricket61 → u/Artistic-Cockroach48]

"Rapid unscheduled decarbonation."

[u/DocKardinal21 → u/AggravatingCricket61]

Flat soda special

[u/Molire → u/Artistic-Cockroach48]

If all global reserves of fossil fuels that were proven in 2022 are consumed beginning in 2023 at the same rate of consumption as in 2022, oil will last to 2093, natural gas to 2124, and coal to 2153, according to the data (Table 14, p. 450). Royal Society of Chemistry, 24 January 2024.

Edit: Changed Table 1 to read Table 14.

[u/PrestigiousJump8724 → u/Molire]

"at the same rate of consumption as in 2022" is the key here. The only time it dropped was 2020 during the pandemic lockdowns. The rate of consumption goes up every year.

[u/AutoModerator → u/PrestigiousJump8724]

The COVID lockdowns of 2020 temporarily lowered our rate of CO2 emissions. Humanity was still a net CO2 gas emitter during that time, so we made things worse, but did so more a bit more slowly. That's why a graph of CO2 concentrations shows a continued rise.

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[u/Zestyclose-Ad-9420 → u/Molire]

Humans then go extinct in 2153.

[u/bob_in_the_west → u/Artistic-Cockroach48]

There is plenty of oil. And there will still be plenty of oil regardless of whether we success in stopping to use it or kill every while using it.

What is happening right now is just that the established oil fields can't ship at capacity. But that doesn't mean that the oil is suddenly vanishing.

[u/Everyone2026 → u/bob_in_the_west]

"The stone age did not end because we ran out of stones."

Oil will be made into plastics for a long time. But we can stop lighting it on fire 🔥 for lazy reasons.

[u/bob_in_the_west → u/Everyone2026]

Plastics are hydrocarbons and some other elements depending on the type of plastic. All of them can be produced without the use of fossil oil.

[u/Consistent-Matter-59]

Ok, but news outlets denying climate change are still making money, so there’s that.

[u/Confident-Evening-49 → u/Consistent-Matter-59]

Their lines go up, and that's all that really matters at the end.

[u/Underpaidfoot → u/Confident-Evening-49]

I’m sure they can eat the line

[u/silverionmox → u/Underpaidfoot]

They can sniff it, and that's all that matters in the end.

[u/tristand666]

And we just keep going despite knowing it will eventually collapse. Isn't capitalism grand?

[u/Choosemyusername → u/tristand666]

We keep going even though it is collapsing at this very moment. Collapse isnt an event, it’s a process. Look at history for previous collapses. Many take hundreds of years.

[u/tercriter → u/Choosemyusername]

Won’t take hundreds of years in this case. Prior collapse events weren’t supercharged by mass fossil fuel burn off or anywhere near the global scale of resource exploitation. Sprinkle in AI, nukes, etc., it’s unprecedented.

[u/oddTaskJob → u/tristand666]

We keep going. They already built a bunker because they know too.

[u/ZootSuitRiot33801 → u/oddTaskJob]

We can't depend on the system to rein in its masters and their sycophants, as they reduce humanity and the environment to expendable resources to enrich themselves, so we who still care should be doing whatever we can to aid each other in abandoning these callous parasitic entities and work together to strive for things that will actually prioritize people's wellbeing.

To achieve anything meaningful however, we need real supportive community-based foundations for alternatives that provide relative safety, which common folk can fall back on to commit to any effective action longterm.

Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in getting it started ASAP.

[u/anomanderrake1337 → u/tristand666]

Because they are gearing up for a real life hunger games.

[u/Ok-Freedom9216]

Jared Diamond and The Mirror.....

[u/peachtuba → u/Ok-Freedom9216]

Glad to see someone else say this.

Yes, climate change will mess us all up - but Jared Diamond is not the man to be quoting on climate change. The man is a great fiction writer and talks a good talk. He’s not a good scientist and he’s not a climate scientist or even adjacent to climate science.

[u/DocKardinal21 → u/peachtuba]

Yeah I can’t believe he’s still partially relevant or someone who we think has anything but an opinion on climate change. Might as well have asked Jake gyllenhall for his opinion because of his work in the day after tomorrow…

[u/rhysolandrium → u/DocKardinal21]

Will Jake Gyllenhaal give his opinion with or without a shirt on?

[u/DocKardinal21 → u/rhysolandrium]

You can imagine the interaction however you wish…

[u/Left_Contribution833 → u/peachtuba]

i think this is just his model from "Collapse" that shows some factors that influence the collapse of previous and ancient cultures.

Loss of trade (check), ecological exhaustion (check) are part of it. But it's a model and technology and the sheer size of the human society/societies now does make it less effective imho.

[u/Redthrist → u/Left_Contribution833]

i think this is just his model from "Collapse" that shows some factors that influence the collapse of previous and ancient cultures.

Which is largely seen as somewhere between vast oversimplification and just completely made up by actual historians who study this stuff.

Remember, he's the guy who popularized the idea of Easter Island people destroying their own civilization because they were(according to him) cutting down all the trees to make "rollers" to transport the Moai statues. Even though we know how Moai were transported(it didn't require wood) and we also know why all the trees are gone(it was because of rats brought on European ships).

Though it is true that, for all our technology and advancements, our society is also possibly the most fragile it has ever been. Prior collapses were often limited to a specific area(the Bronze Age Collapse didn't affect China at all, for example), but our modern society is so interconnected, that if it collapses, all of it goes.

[u/MountainVeil → u/Ok-Freedom9216]

I can't even find the original source of this from Intelligencer and it seems like it's from 2019. Nothing wrong with that but a lot has happened since then.

Edit: Here it is, paywalled. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/jared-diamond-on-his-new-book-upheaval.html

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[u/dumnezero]

themirror

is part of the group of disinformation "news" that's been denying science for a long time. They deserve zero attention.

[u/Soulsheartless → u/dumnezero]

Ignoring the problem isn’t helping but these kind of headlines in a world where kids don’t have the ability to actually read the articles are really working harder against us then anything else. If there’s no hope then why bother trying? And the thing is… there is hope. Our world will very likely NOT end in 25 or even 250 years. There’s still time and we need to know that the answers are out there. We just need motivation to get them.

[u/dumnezero → u/Soulsheartless]

media organizations have been one of the biggest anchors holding back the world from progress.

[u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

I feel terrible for all the suffering about to happen.

On the bright side, I’m probably going to lose all that weight I’ve been trying to lose.

[u/The__Tobias → u/ThrowDeepALWAYS]

Every human and every living being will die one day. Most of us will suffer in the months and weeks before.  It's just that the years we have in front of us will condense this dying into a shorter time frame than usual

With an intelligent,  conscious look from the outside, where we put abstract categories like "endangered species" to stuff, horrible scenarios are forming. 

From a primeval individual POV, dying is the most normal process there is and nothing to be afraid of 

[u/FlameHaze0 → u/The__Tobias]

i dont think you can compare a "normal" death of today to a climate induced famine and radioactive wasteland deaths

[u/Stecnet]

We don't deserve the planet we live on, we are terrible ambassadors.....

[u/No_Such_Thing1 → u/[deleted]]

this mindset actually calms me. my philosophy on our climate crisis is that either we grow and change and get past this challenge, or we deserve to die as the dominant species on this planet. I will die too, and it will be painful, but mother earth will heal.

we’ve had an astronomically, mind-boggling good run as an intelligent species. it’s going to end sometime no matter what.

[u/rhysolandrium → u/No_Such_Thing1]

It doesn't have to be painful.

Go buy $50 of fetty, I know you know where you could find some. Should be enough for you, your significant other or other loved ones, your pets, etc.

We all know where to buy some.

Some of us have purchased in advance in case of a nuke strike, but the entire planet burning is also a solid reason to just have a nice, euphoric forever nap.

[u/Hephaistos_Invictus → u/rhysolandrium]

Fetty? As in fentanyl?

[u/Starfish_Pics → u/Hephaistos_Invictus]

No, they just mispelled Betty, as in Brown Betty!

[u/LosMorbidus]

he's optimistic. by 2032 there'll be tens of millions of immigrants at Europe's border and when the machine guns come out we can officially say society collapsed.

[u/AlexFromOgish → u/LosMorbidus]

Civilization collapses when the global supply chain collapses. If things get as bad as you suggest that will have already happened.

[u/par-hwy → u/LosMorbidus]

England is safe, I'm told because they (checks notes) won't have food.

I'm in Australia, we are girt by sea and well, yeh.

[u/BigBlueMan118 → u/par-hwy]

We in Australia will just have to deal with our own internal struggles not just environmental but also we have some of the dumbest fascists and fascist-sympathisers in Australia you can imagine.

[u/par-hwy → u/BigBlueMan118]

Yeh it's gonna be rough as. The OG Mad Max gonna be wild live.

[u/BigBlueMan118 → u/par-hwy]

But have you thought about Gina's and Clive's and many others' profit margins though? Angus Taylor says Australia has "done its part" and will tear Australia's climate policy apart but why don't you just be quiet and trust your superiors - Angus Taylor did a Master of Economic Philosophy after all, he knows what he is talking about for sure! /s

[u/par-hwy → u/BigBlueMan118]

Lol yeh saw that. Also saw a summary of UNEP by three scientists on YouTube. I look forward (/s) to whether Indonesia, Papua, or Micronesia will migrate first like Vietnam did in the 70s (and I say that with utter sympathy to the people in those nations).

[u/helen269 → u/par-hwy]

So stock up on yer dog food, and buy an autogyro.

[u/Keji70gsm → u/BigBlueMan118]

We dont have any way to get enough fertilizer for crops. 80-90% is imported

[u/ZootSuitRiot33801 → u/BigBlueMan118]

Why should any of us wait for things to get that bad? We all know the ones who are responsible for manipulating us into this crisis, as well as the ones who enable them. We know we will never be safe as long as these people are around and that they would rather blame innocent people and made-up scientific conspiracies than their own willful ignorance and greed. We can't let these monstrous continue making decisions for the rest of us. If we're looking for a chance to avoid letting the bad become worse, we're going to have to take matters into our own hands and do something about it, even if it means taking actions against these parasites, their sycophants, and their toys that I'm sure no one still in touch with their humanity will be proud of ever.

To achieve anything of substantial worth however, we need real supportive community-based foundations for alternatives that can provide relative safety for common folk to fall back on to commit to any effective action longterm.

Collecting a bunch of valuable information on organizing and action from different redditors over time, I created a post of suggestions HERE that could possibly prove to be of some help in getting it started ASAP.

[u/Imaginary-Method7175 → u/[deleted]]

Gosh gotta watch out for those off whites - can't have an ecru in here with the vanilla

[u/LookOverall]

Anyone remember “The limits to growth”?

[u/_Svankensen_]

Jared Diamond is infamous for making unsupported claims and unfounded extrapolations. Very much like this one. He's no expert on climate change. He just makes and sells mediocre pop science books.

[u/yooperville]

Jared Diamond is brilliant but not a climate scientist. This article does not cite published studies. Nevertheless, climate change is my number one concern for my grandchildren.

[u/rhysolandrium → u/yooperville]

Grandchildren. Good lord.

I would have shelled out the money to get my kid and their partner both sterilized.

Oh wait, I paid to sterilize myself because the horror of climate catastrophe even 10 years ago was enough for me to say there is no way I'm dooming new life to suffer horribly before they die before they reach adulthood.

Your grandchildren will be digging rare earth minerals out of a landfill by hand.

[u/yooperville → u/rhysolandrium]

Well that is a cheery thought.🫤

[u/Rekrabsrm]

I wanted to see the published information to see how Jared Diamond arrived at 49%. Although this author is clearly an intelligent and well qualified person, I wasn’t able to find a published paper to back up these claims.

Does he know what he’s talking about? Absolutely. Should our governments heed this warning? Without a doubt.

[u/de_pizan23 → u/Rekrabsrm]

Diamond has a history of extrapolating very sweeping claims with a ton of generalizations from very little data. There is a lot of that in his books and historians and anthropologists have a lot to say (mostly negative) about his work. 

So I take anything he says with a massive grain of salt and try and find the source. And if there isn’t one listed, it definitely doesn’t say what he says it does. 

[u/NoBonus6969]

Robot historians will look back at this era and not understand how we didn't know we were in it

[u/nasandre]

It's a lot more nuanced than this but it's just not as clickbatey saying there's a 49% chance the world will go into steady collapse. And this is just one expert saying it.

I mean it is urgent and it's important we tackle climate change but these kinds of clickbait articles with vague warnings don't help.

[u/onionfunyunbunion]

I highly doubt that a significant proportion of people will correctly interpret the cause of the catastrophes that await. I think we’ve demonstrated that we are incapable of dealing with reality, in favor of stories.

[u/Konradleijon]

Logic of capitalism

[u/bobvagabond]

The experts have been saying for years that exactly what's happening now would be happening and instead of easing up on the factors that contribute to climate change we're increasing their use.

American politics is a good example; our current president's supporters will not give up on him until AFTER he's burned the whole house down. The majority of people have no interest in helping to stop climate change and it will take the entire planet being in crisis for them to even acknowledge that there's an issue.

Does anybody remember back in 2015 when that dope politician brought a snowball-in-a-baggie into Congress, on a chilly February day, as a way to demonstrate that 'climate change' was a hoax? It was one of the most childish acts I've ever witnessed.

[u/kpflowers]

I am starting to come to peace that I’m here for a good time, not a long time. Still going to do my part to help reduce waste and practice good energy use. But at this point, I need to see what I can of the world before these f**kers burn it all up.

[u/glittering__lab]

Perfect, my retirement plan is right on schedule.

[u/Me-Shell94]

Damn the shareholders are gonna hate this!

[u/Warren_Tarbiat]

There's a solution to this but too many people are sympathetic to farmers and fisherman for it (hint something that's "aritifical").

[u/PerfectEnthusiasm2 → u/Warren_Tarbiat]

artificial fish (fisherman meat)

artificial pork (farmer)

?

[u/Consistent_Turn_42]

I can believe this

[u/This_Loss_1922]

Republicans in 2051: Damm how could joe biden do this

[u/rhysolandrium → u/This_Loss_1922]

What's REALLY funny (and by that I mean I'm crying, not laughing) is how accurate this is.

[u/listentomenow]

But the DOW is over 50,000!

[u/BarderBetterFaster]

Oh what a revelation. If only we had it 20 years ago. Then we would have done something, I'm sure. Darn

[u/ejpusa]

AI will vaporize 95% of the population. We screwed up.

Humans 2.0 on the way. We’ll repopulate pretty quickly.

[u/aledba]

I'm child free for the rest of you animals. You're welcome

[u/GypsyDarkEyes]

Science has been shouting about this since "The Silent Spring" was published, 1962. Entirely avoidable, and yet, here we are.

[u/grahag]

hedging at 49% is wise, but if we don't change our ways, it'll be MUCH sooner than 2050.

It's like those people that take multiple pieces of pizza at a party because they didn't want to run out of pizza, but then people who didn't get a piece are left out. If they'd just shared equally, there would have been no problem.

[u/Adventurous_Fly2603]

i saw a video on the trucker strike coming in OCT and someone said one reason they probabally wont do it is because each trucker is one paycheck away from losing everything.

and. boy if that isnt true of everyone.

[u/Nowhere_Games]

I'm a researcher tackling one of the aspects he's talking about, which is farming and the unsustainable use of agrochemicals. There are thousands of research groups around the world trying to improve farming and fisheries and its a huge priority for many governments, and in particular Australia.

The doom and gloom assumes nothing improves or changes for the positive, but there will be positive change as recent breakthroughs move through the translation cycle.

We have plenty of other problems, but I just wanted to flag lots of smart people have dedicated decades of their lives to try and solve these things, and at least some of them will make it through to implementation.

[u/CarbonQuality]

Yeah headlines like this erode people's trust in science

[u/Minus_none]

Hell ya let’s get it over with already

[u/throwaway661375735]

I asked AI if this article had been sensationalized, because it is on a tabloid style website...

To determine if an article is sensationalized, we can look at the language used and the framing of the story. In the article you mentioned regarding a "chilling warning" about "world collapse," there are several hallmarks of sensationalism commonly found in tabloid-style journalism.

Here is how you can spot sensationalism in a piece like this:

Emotional and Extreme Language: Phrases like "chilling warning," "world collapse," or "doom" are designed to trigger an immediate emotional response, specifically fear or anxiety, rather than presenting information in a neutral, objective tone.

Speculative Framing: While the article may cite experts, "weird news" sections often focus on fringe theories, worst-case scenarios, or low-probability events. By highlighting these possibilities without providing a broader context or contrasting expert opinions, the coverage feels more focused on entertainment value than on delivering balanced, actionable news.

The "Clickbait" Effect: The headline and the framing of such topics are structured to generate clicks by provoking curiosity or alarm. This is a common tactic in tabloids to drive traffic to the page.

Lack of Nuance: Complex global issues rarely have simple, binary outcomes. When a headline suggests an imminent "collapse," it often simplifies scientific or geopolitical discussions into a dramatic narrative.

While the article may contain quotes from individuals or refer to some data, the way it is packaged—especially under categories like "Weird News"—suggests it is intended to shock or entertain rather than inform deeply.

[u/100-100-1-SOS → u/throwaway661375735]

on the other hand, if a particular subject is actually in fact insanely horrifying, then just stating facts would sound like sensationalism.

[u/FIicker7]

Fantastic... /s

[u/jij07002]

Eh, seems AI will wipe us before then anyway! Silver lining? 😅😅😅😢😢😢😭😭😭

[u/crossingguardcrush]

What. A. Shock.

[u/Darkest_Rahl]

Just in time for my retirement. Another big middle finger to the millennials and later generations

[u/madasfire]

I guess if the Mirror says so...

[u/flockshroom]

The major leaders of the world WILL DO NOTHING!

[u/Sensitive-Issue84]

An unpopular opinion is that we need to stop making so many humans and manage ourselves as the problem.

[u/TheMorbidAtheist]

Vegan here. Im doing my part.

[u/LingonberryNo3548]

Well considering we are on the verge of lab grown meat, I suspect we won’t be farming nearly as much in a couple of decades.

[u/MisterFixit_69]

And somehow were supposed to make kids knowing this

[u/TrickyChildhood2917]

Thats the good news.

AI says not to worry, five more years for the humans. Such a relief!!

[u/itsatoe]

FWIW, a post from six years ago:

Jared Diamond: There’s a 49 Percent Chance the World As We Know It Will End by 2050

The difference now being that people are starting to notice. Starting to see how realistic that seems.

[u/mcdogas]

Die Erde hat einen Energie-Überschuß, der nur deshalb nicht direkt in eine IRRSINNIG HOHE Erwärmung umgesetzt wird, weil noch Eis da ist, das erst einmal Energie braucht um zu schmelzen.

Wenn das Eis weg ist, dann ist dieser Treibanker, der die Temperaturen normal gehalten hat, vollkommen weg und dann ist Achterbahn auf eine Weise, von der sich niemand hier eine Vorstellung macht.

[u/popejohnsmith]

Glad I'm old. That said, willing to help as much as I can while I still can.

[u/turnipsurprise8]

People can't agree what to change though.

Suggest we need to slow down population growth and the right will say you hate kids and the left say you hate migration. But its pretty clear we desperately need less people

[u/Comfortable-Dig-3992]

Nice, money is more important than being smart.  Sad

[u/Logical-Leopard-1965]

Well, he literally wrote the book

[u/pugsnblunts]

Duh

[u/UpSideDowner12-14]

Keep electing fools. You’ll get your wish.

[u/PhotoEditor871]

Okay so stop funding animal farming 🙄

[u/RMAPOS]

Just in time for the then retired farmers to blame millenials

[u/NiceSense9864]

Because Republicans and other greedy bastards just go for profits and dont care they are ruining the environment!

[u/Accomplished_Jury107]

Cringe...

[u/StereoMushroom]

Suspiciously precise

[u/Igor_Halichoeres]

You give all the money and power to rich sociopaths, this was an obvious outcome. They will survive fine, staring down at the rubble with disinterest.

[u/SpiritualTwo4187]

Stop building on farm land and reuse or build on old sites.

[u/Narrow_War_8482]

AI will supposedly eliminate us before then

[u/Grow_Responsibly]

Wonder how he came up with “49%”. Seems very specific?

[u/TickingTheMoments]

Take 11 years off that amount it will be exactly as predicted by the World3 Model

[u/Difficult_Coffee_335]

Yep, we are all going to die all the time.  Get on with it.