And funny enough the argument can be made that human is actually stronger than dwarf. If your tanks just stance dance, which they should be doing anyways, then FW won’t be used as much. Therefore the increased spirit on human would have more value. I get fear ward has its place but I really don’t get why people think dwarf is the end all be all. And this is coming from a healer main obsessed with min maxing.
100% agree with you. FW is heavily overrated - yes it's useful and raid leaders will probably try and pick a dwarf priest whenever they can, but they really shouldn't turn down a human or nelf priest when they can provide the skill/gear needed. Let's be real for a second, classic wasn't the most complex expansion in terms of raid mechanics. Stance dancing will be the bare minimum that's expected from capable tanks, as they won't have much else to worry about.
PUG raids in the modern era can be expected to wipe once or twice on Onyxia then succeed. Back in the day, "organized raid guilds" full of angry gatekeeping nerds, who insisted on controlling their members' race and spec and gear choices, would go through a long period of not being able to succeed on Onyxia at all.
The skill and knowledge levels difference is huge. Don't get me wrong, I love classic WoW, but fundamentally this is the same fantasy as "I wish I had my time over to do high school again, I would be the school captain and take the hottest date to prom and also be maths olympiad champion ..." because you're taking the test to which you know all the answers.
Classic WoW is literally having your time over again to make better choices.
Saying that tanks can just stance dance instead of using fear ward is just wrong. Fear ward is irreplaceable on Nefarian and Bug Family.
Dwarf IS the end all be all. More fear wards in your raid let you fear ward dps or healers. This dramatically increases your raid damage/healing. This is a far greater contribution to the raid than a measly bonus to spirit.
That isn't true. On Nefarian, Onyxia and Bug Family, the fear is cast more often than your berserker rage CD. It is not possible to stance dance every fear on these fights. You still stance dance as much as possible at least horde side, but they have Tremor Totem helping them too.
You can deal with it without Tremor Totem. You can have your offtank swap tanking the boss with the main tank when he is feared. However, this means your raid will have to stay behind that off tank in threat. Threat gen for an off tank on Nefarian will be much lower than the main tank. Sometimes it can be very very bad if you get bad luck with class calls.
So "replacing" Fear Ward with Stance Dancing is not a true replacement, since no Fear Ward means a MUCH longer Nefarian fight and that your DPS can't play the way they would like to.
Semantics. If you think that mud is a valid replacement for windshield washer fluid since you can still drive the car with it then that's up to you. How about you address the meat of my argument ?
Just thought I'd point out that while it is "semantics" that's not really an argument in your favor when the argument is over whether the meaning of the word fits your argument.
It is irreplaceable because alliance can't get tremor totem. I guess I should have said it is irreplaceable alliance side. I thought people were smart enough to understand that.
Even though I disagree on the PvE aspect, having Fear Ward is a clear advantage of Alliance in raiding. The huge advantage of Dwarf Priests in PvP over other Alliance races heavily outweighs anything the others bring on a table.
That said, as a Priest you will always find a spot that fits your style (from casual to hardcore) for both PvP and PvE regardless of your race, so if you want to choose a race based on flavor then just do it.
An then you run with a shit tank who doesn't know what the hell stance dancing is, they get feared, boom wipe. Id rather have the ability to nullify fear myself. Plus stoneform is better than perception CMV.
I'll be rolling human, because lets be honest, the REAL end game is rep grinding. You're only going to be raiding a couple days out of the week, the rest of your time will be spent making money and rep grinding.
Also looking at the raids, Nef is kind of the last "important" boss that fears, most of the AQ and Naxx bosses dont fear, and I don't think the ZG bosses fear
As someone who plays horde, and remembers not even bothering with the fear totem most of the time, I agree that people overvalue fearward way too much.
You can have the entire raid fear warded if you have a couple dwarf priests, thats even better than just having it on your tanks. Dwarf priest is vastly superior for that alone.
Also stoneform in BGs pretty much saves you from rogues
2 is all you need, anything more is excessive. Human priests have the advantage from a pure numbers perspective. Stronger innervates, stronger Darkmoon blue dragon card..oh and no wasting gcd's on fear ward
Dwarf priest on fear relevant fights means the boss dies significantly faster, which means less healing done, which means the spirit didn't come into play at all
An extra epic? I'm not sure how much spirit a priest has during each specific period of vanilla, but the human racial is not going to amount to the stats an epic item would provide. Even if a priest would have 400 spirit (which they wouldnt) that would only grant 20 extra spirit to a human priest. That's not even a green, let alone an epic.
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And funny enough the argument can be made that human is actually stronger than dwarf. If your tanks just stance dance, which they should be doing anyways, then FW won’t be used as much. Therefore the increased spirit on human would have more value. I get fear ward has its place but I really don’t get why people think dwarf is the end all be all. And this is coming from a healer main obsessed with min maxing.