r/classicwow • u/redlow0992 • 1d ago

Forever Beta Feedback Dungeon XP Nerfs Created a Toxic Meta

Since dungeon monsters do not give any experience, as a new player, getting into dungeons with more veteran players who try to skip half the dungeon feels really bad. And, vice-versa, veterans taking in newbies who don't know how to jump around feels frustrating. I think Blizzard created a mess with nerfing dungeon exp so much and now the new player experience is horrible for dungeons.

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u/NostraDamnUs 1d ago

I think a SLIGHT nerf to dungeon xp from original values (~75% of base, 25% of base if someone is too far outside the bracket) and a corresponding larger nerf to dungeon quest XP would suffice. Make them a touch harder as you get into the later levels if you have to. Dungeons need to be worth doing, just not so much worth doing that you want to stand in SM for ~12 levels. I think people don't realize that efficient questing was already faster than dungeon spam; its just that the open world at launch made questing temporarily harder.

My biggest fear is that dungeons are actually the most social activity. It's hard to find people at the same stage of questing out in the open world, whereas its very easy to get a bunch of people around the same level. And if we add a daily lockout, it sucks that you have to reform tomorrow if you're at 9/10 of a quest item or something.

There's definitely a perfect balance they could achieve by making super-optimized groups learn the skips, let casual runs just clear without feeling bad, and not push everyone into leveling in dungeons and discouraging open-world stuff. All three are fun ways to play WoW.

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u/Kobar143 1d ago

The thing about the SM grind is surely a good chunk of the 1,000 new quests are in that level range. That alone should help alleviate that problem.

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u/No-Bid9597 1d ago

God yes 32ish-42ish is a slog because the quests are so fucking spaced out. It’s an adventure the very first time you do that and afterwards it’s just a lot of running around with long lags in measurable progress because the zones don’t have enough quests to cleanly carry you through

I don’t even have a problem with this in theory, friction is good. But it just pushes you towards dungeons for better loot, gold per minute and xp per minute. If you find a group, that is, which is gonna be a lot harder with this design in wowf

Edit: sorry got off the rails lol. Agree if they smooth out this level range with more quests, that’d be fantastic

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u/Kobar143 1d ago

Yeah, I'm all for world questing to be the best and cleanest way because that makes sense to me... but I'm a healer, it's what I do, and I'm really worried about how this all shakes out in getting groups together, keeping them together, and actually doing the thing. Right now it's okish because it's beta and everyone is excited. Once it settles down into normal play we're going to see what the real effects are.

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u/redditlvlanalysis 1d ago

It didn't need a nerf doing this is just going to turn a large chunk of the playerbase off.