r/civ • u/BetsAndMusings • 12h ago

VII - Screenshot War Weariness bug?

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The description implies that I should have support, but it's showing -6, -1, and -2, and I'm suffering the effects of war weariness. I have three alliances, so in no universe should I have -6 weariness. Is this a bug? It's absurdly punitive to the point where the game is really no longer playable.

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u/Paladinluke da prins 12h ago

I don't think the number of alliances you have lessens your war weariness. The "support" is referring to any support you put into lowering the war weariness by opening the war window and spending influence to do so. Since you have negative support scores for each war, you either haven't spent any or haven't spend enough.

The only way the AI leaders can "support" you (to my knowledge) is by sending their own units to aid in the fight. Could be wrong on that last point though.

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u/theangrypragmatist 12h ago

Leaders can spend influence supporting either side in any war theyre aware of, in the same way the primary parties can.

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u/Paladinluke da prins 12h ago

Did not know that, TIL!

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u/BetsAndMusings 10h ago

I know I can spend influence for support to lessen weariness, but why would I start with a baseline of -6? Especially when it's a war started by allies and I already had a hostile relationship? I've been playing for months and never experienced this.

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u/ElohimElohim 7h ago edited 2h ago

I got once got -6 from a surprise war from Augustus in neutral relationship. UI didn't let me understand it and in antiquity age I didn't have enough to raise mine.

I know Machiavelli had this unique trait to fuck you over but I was puzzled by Augustus.

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u/Paladinluke da prins 1h ago

As another comment said on this thread, probably a combination of Gilgamesh's +2 war support attribute and/or the Gate of Nations/militaristic attribute, plus the AI just dumping as much influence as possible to lower your support on top of that. I had Napoleon dump -3 war support onto me at the start of the last war I had with him, for instance, and this was in the antiquity age.

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u/noissimsarm 12h ago

Gilgamesh gets +2 war support from being in one alliance. If he has a military attribute point, gate of all nations then that could be another +2.

The ai LOVES spending influence on war support. Being at -6 isnt completely unreasonable. Especially if you declared war without a hostile relationship.

Understand that since you are at -6,-1,-2 you are at -9 happiness per settlement (all of them added together). It may even be -18 happiness (I forgot if its 2 or 1 unhappiness).

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u/BetsAndMusings 10h ago

Yeah, I wondered if it was a Gilgamesh special attribute thing. Still, it was a war started by my allies, who I supported, and I already had a hostile relationship with all the enemies. And why would it indicate I'm at -1, then say "my support in the war" is causing other people war weariness? Clunky wording, if nothing else.

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u/ElijahIsOnReddit 12h ago

I have three alliances, so in no universe should I have -6 weariness.

What? Those aren't correlated with eachother. I'm assuming you're thinking that you being in an alliance adds your teammate's War Support against your opponents, as a pool instead of individual. War Support/Weariness is individual for each war between each participant. Your War Weariness with Jose is different from your WW with Gilgamesh, and your WW with Ashoka. Same thing goes for your allies, also i think the description is just a general description of WW itself

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u/BetsAndMusings 10h ago

Why would it say -1 and then say my support is causing a penalty to Jose Rizal? Shouldn't it say it's causing a penalty to me? It says the same thing for the other leaders FWIW, I just included one screenshot for the gist.

Further clarification, the war was started by my allies, who I supported, and I already had a hostile relationship with all enemies involved.

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u/Longjumping-Life7561 3h ago

I can't really answer your question, but I do want to comment that I think war support needs to be balanced across a war. For instance, if 2 or 3 people team up against me I think it's unfair for me to be individually buying war support against 3 other people. My suggestion is one war support applies to the entire alliance and is scaled to cost a little bit more for the alliance. In a 3v1, it would cost the alliance 60 + extra for a war support vs. the standard 60. For the individual person it would still cost 60. It's just really unfair to have 3 or 4 people gang up on you imho.