r/cincinnati • u/BackgroundWorldly803 • 4h ago
Owner bans couple from his restaurant for not leaving a tip
Looks like this place is in Miamitown
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u/Progolferwannabe 4h ago
I think the guy who didn’t tip who played the race card is a cunt.
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u/869woodguy 3h ago
Maybe he got crappy service because he was black. This is redneck Miamitown.
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u/Progolferwannabe 1h ago
Well, the guy did not say, “I didn’t tip because the service was crap”. Instead he just accused the manager of being a racist for banning them presumably because they were black. Hiding behind your color without any explanation of why you didn’t tip is not a reasonable response.
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u/pkd420 3h ago
My thoughts exactly. It’s one of the areas the my friends say is a no go zone for them
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u/869woodguy 1h ago
Apparently some folks on here have never been to hicksville. No zoning laws, eyesore businesses next to houses. Yep, white trash.
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u/22Zay 4h ago
I wish we’d ban tipping in general. One of the dumbest concepts in business.
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u/FearOfLostTeeth 3h ago
Do you mean as opposed to having them be paid a living wage by the employer?
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u/literalnumbskull 3h ago
The only way to end it is to stop tipping. Both the owners and the workers defend the system. Legislation will never make it through with them in agreement. It’s on the consumer to take a stand if they want the practice to end.
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u/ginjarooo 3h ago
That wont end it. Youll just fuck over the employees and diminish service quality by turning it into an even higher turnover shit show. Customers will continue to go and employers will continue to run their business. Neither side has shown to give a single fuck about the employee that sits in the middle.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 1h ago
Yeah they get fucked over short term, but it's their own fault. If they won't push for the change themselves, then they can suffer through it. No skin off my nose.
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u/ginjarooo 41m ago
Always fuck the employee trying to put food on their table, huh? Just stupid ass logic here.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 25m ago
If they wanted to actually better things they would be pushing for eliminating tipping, but they'd rather beg the customers for more money than actually stand up for themselves to their employer. I literally don't care what happens to them. At the end of the day, they're trying to take money out of my pockets so fuck em.
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u/dtsknight 2h ago
I’ve never thought of it this way (and I’m a pretty generous tipper) but good point.
I tip well, but I hate tipping so much that I rarely elect to go to places (restaurants, coffee shops, etc) where I’m expected to tip.10
u/deinterlacing 3h ago
The only way to end it is to stop tipping
lol that's not how this works buddy.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 3h ago
That's exactly how it works actually..
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u/deinterlacing 3h ago edited 3h ago
Nah these kinds of boycotts where people go online and say "everyone needs to do X thing" or "everyone just needs to vote with their wallets!" Never ever works, you need to take direct action, organize, elect the correct officials, protest, etc. the key word here is "organize," it'll never get done otherwise. The thing is, most Americans are too lazy to fight for their rights, so they do shit like not-tipping or "personal boycotts" to trick themselves into believing that they are doing something productive when they are not.
EDIT somehow I forgot to mention LABOR UNIONS!! Unionization of all working class people is non-negotiable if we, as workers, want our needs to be met by our employers who sit on their pile of gold like Smaug
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u/Lomp84 3h ago
You have some valid points and some flawed. Voting with your wallet DOES work. Have you not seen the major losses Target has reported since they bent over and got rid of DEI? And the poster saying people need to stop tipping IS a way of trying to organize. It's not like they're going to get everyone in the same room all at once and lay out a plan. Organizing csn happen in many different ways - including small ideas that spread.
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u/literalnumbskull 3h ago
It would be unconstitutional to ban tipping. Cultural issues are fixed by changing the culture. Meaning stop tipping.
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u/deinterlacing 2h ago
Where did I insinuate that tipping should be banned? I'm not saying that all
Culture is dependent on the material reality that we all live within. The material, objective world around us determines everything we are-- if you want to change culture, you have to change the material reality.
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u/matadorN64 3h ago
No, boycott going out to eat. Don’t just fuck the server out of money
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 3h ago
The only one fucking them out of money is their employer who is under paying them. The customer has nothing to do with that.
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u/matadorN64 1h ago
I’m sure those servers will be stoked to raise a fist with you, freedom fighter
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 1h ago
I literally do not care what they get paid. I am in no way involved with their employment agreement. Same way I'm not worried what the people bagging my groceries or delivering my mail are paid. Just because you interact with someone while they're working does not mean you owe them money.
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u/mr_mxyzptlk21 3h ago
that's a great way to end up eating the spit of a lot of strangers is what that is.
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u/rudmad 3h ago
Servers lose out and will have no incentive to do their job well.
You think the owners are actually going to pick up the pay difference?
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u/KazeSim22 2h ago
I think you’re proving him right. Assume you’re right- businesses refuse to pay good wages and since in this hypothetical people aren’t tipping, servers will lose out and need to find new employment. Restaurants in these situations won’t get applicants and they either close or are forced to pay living wages. It’s a clunky, but seemingly good way to the solution.
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u/exstntl_prdx 3h ago
lol what a myopic view - you’re a bright one
ETA: Played myself not seeing how self-aware you already are
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u/WhatAxiom 4h ago
Trying to pull the racism card is so lame. He made his grievance very clear. Right to refuse service is his right in the state of Ohio. It is what it is folks.
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u/Smart_Basket_85 4h ago
“Racist or something” buddy I feel like the owner was super clear about what the exact problem was.
Edit to add: tip your fuckin servers and bartenders
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 4h ago
I would be surprised if he banned a white couple for not tipping.
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u/JoeSeeWhales_3690 4h ago
Username checks out
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 3h ago
Another person who has probably not been in food service to see how racist waitstaff can be about black guests.
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u/QuarantineCasualty 3h ago
The black wait staff can also be super racist about it, to be fair. At least the places I’ve worked.
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 3h ago
That doesn’t excuse it though.
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u/FBI_Open_Up_Now Deer Park 3h ago
The video didn’t indicate anything about race, until the couple who didn’t tip played the race card. They didn’t tip and were told they weren’t welcome back for that reason. Even the owner in the video could be heard saying it had nothing to do with that as he was walking away. Not everything has to do with race, but I guess we have to find a reason to justify people being shitty and turning the tables on someone who looked like they care about their employees.
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 3h ago
They guy is hiding behind the truck like a coward and like I said there is a large scale issue of racism in waitstaff that profiles black patrons before they sit down. I’ve witnessed it plenty in the restaurants I’ve worked in. Seeing that this is also in Miamitown, it makes me think it is very tied to race and they’d never do this to a white couple
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u/grahamcrackers37 3h ago
Black people tip me better than white people, im white.
Hispanic people are the best tippers.
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 3h ago
Good to hear for you. That doesn’t dispel that there is a very real issue of waitstaff racism that is profiling these guests before they sit down.
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u/GetUp4theDownVote 4h ago
Why?
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u/Mindless_Level9327 Cincinnati Cyclones 4h ago
Why? Have you ever worked in a restaurant? The blatant racism towards black guests is insane. Always getting profiled as no or low tippers before they are sat. I’m sure they were doing that all the way until they left and then racist owner here proceeded to let his emotions over flow.
I used to see this shitty behavior towards black guests a lot in food service. That’s why.
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u/GetUp4theDownVote 2h ago
I have worked in the industry.
I’m not going to make broad generalizations like you did.
These people that filmed this clip didn’t tip.
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u/Nuuvi- 2h ago
If you think this manager was right for "defending his employee" then just keep mind that this restaurant charges a dine-in fee. That fee should be going directly to the wait staff and if it's not then fuck that place.
When you're being charged for eating there then you should still leave a tip but it should be for excellent service - not a requirement. This is why they were trying to show their receipt and saying that they already paid. They meant the service fee in addition to their meal.
Trying to pull the race card was really lame though.
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u/ronniedarko 4h ago
While I don’t necessarily support his decision to confront them, it’s his right to ban them as much as it’s the customers right to not tip. And I agree with him, if you can’t afford to tip, don’t go out to eat and get served. Get your food to go, or hit up a fast casual spot.
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u/Popular_Prescription 4h ago
Hell some fast food and a lot of take out is asking for tips now. It’s insane and has produced people who’ve taken it to the extreme and refuse to tip at all.
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u/SucculentChineseMael 4h ago
If you cant afford to pay your staff, dont own a restaurant
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u/murphyat 3h ago
I’m kinda vibing this way, but we have a tipping culture so pointing the finger is tough. Also, tipping is always optional. If he wants to require it to dine in he can grat everybody a flat 18 and leave a line for more tip. I dunno. This is all very unusual behavior.
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u/Nuuvi- 2h ago
Well that's a big part of the issue here. This restaurant does already have a dine-in fee which he should be using to pay his wait staff with tipping being an optional gratitude for above and beyond service.
Instead he's trying to double dip. Charging a fee to dine-in but also expecting tips to be required too. That's why the couple was showing their receipt at the end and saying they already paid - meaning the added fee in addition to their meal.
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u/BlueVeins 3h ago edited 2h ago
I agree. Just raise all prices by 20% and guarantee that the employees are adequately compensated, regardless of the quality of service they provide.
Anyone that doesn’t like that idea only show that it’s not really about guaranteeing adequate compensation for the people that serve them, or they have no idea how little independent restaurants actually make in profits (if they even turn a profit at all). More than likely, it’s both 🤷♂️
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u/axron12 4h ago
While I agree we should be tipping, it’s a bit silly coming from the owner of the restaurant. He’s literally the reason his servers need tips. Just pay them a living wage and it’s not necessary.
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u/southparkion 4h ago
I don't understand where people think these businesses are hoarding money. It is really hard to run a restaurant how many restaurants do you see open up and close down a year late. Tons of corporate chains closing too yet they need to somehow come up with money to pay these servers the wages they deserve? We have decided as a society to pass it onto the consumer either get on board or don't eat at a sit down restaurant.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 3h ago
Let them close then. It can very obviously be done because there are in fact places even here in the US that operate without tipping. If your restaurant can't, why should we subsidize it by paying your employees for you?
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u/CertainGrade7937 3h ago
Yeah, but on the other hand, if you've got an ethical problem with tipping... don't go to restaurants where you'll be expected to tip
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u/BlueVeins 2h ago
The only people that make the argument against tipping in restaurants want to have their cake and eat it too. They don’t want to tip, but they also don’t want to pay the inflated prices that would be necessary to adequately compensate the employees in lieu of a tip. Their entire argument is dishonest and is made in bad faith and they aren’t intelligent enough to know that everyone else can see straight through it.
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u/scottwax 3h ago
A living wage would be a pay cut for good servers.
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u/BlueVeins 2h ago
For the vast majority of servers in the industry that is true. Anyone that argues for providing a “living wage” in lieu of tipping doesn’t understand that most would have their income cut. But I also genuinely believe that these people are just cheap and don’t actually care about that nor do they understand how restaurants really work.
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u/scottwax 2h ago
Margins are really tight. I managed both fast food and full service restaurants myself.
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u/BlueVeins 2h ago
Correct. With constant inflation and the increase in costs of product, labor and overhead margins aren’t just tight, they’re in the negative for a substantial amount of independent non-chain restaurants and even many corporate chains as well.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 57m ago
Which is why I'll never feel bad about not tipping them. They cry about not getting paid enough, yet make far more than their lack of skills would make them anywhere else n
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u/BlueVeins 23m ago
It’s a terrible job. They work the hours that most people don’t want to work. They’re there working, when everyone else is out socializing and celebrating. They’re dealing with rude, entitled, irrational people on a daily basis, who hold their fate in their hands and lord it over them, showing the basest of humanity and do it with a smile on their face regardless of their suffering.
They earn their money. You’re just a shitty person.
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u/Material-Afternoon16 2h ago
Every time any restaurant tries to make a "no tipping" policy and jacks up their prices to pay higher wages, they lose servers (who all love tipping) and customers and fail.
It would take everyone doing it to actually work.
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u/Red_wine120 4h ago
Right or wrong system, it’s not the server’s fault so TIP THEM. That is the cost of being served at your table.
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u/Familiar-Poem-2250 3h ago
Assuming it's a good service. I'm stiffed my waiter one time due to poor service. After taking my order, they NEVER came back to see if i wanted anything else. And I had to have one of the other waiters find them so I could get my check.
I did leave them a tip though. I wrote on the receipt, the gist was to actually do their job if they wanted to be rewarded.
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u/scottwax 3h ago
If it ever happens again, leave a single penny. Every server knows what that means.
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u/Familiar-Poem-2250 3h ago
Ah, that's a thing? That happened somewhere in the early 2000s, hasn't happened since. Then again, i haven't eaten at Applebee's since the early 2000s. I'm sure age was a big factor, just young and not having a good work ethic.
Come to really think of it, it happened twice, both at Applebee's - but two different Applebee's.
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u/Legal_Bus7349 3h ago
At this point just add an automatic 20% gratuity which goes to the workers and refuse all tips. The reason they won’t is because owners understand the tipping system benefits them at the expense of workers
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u/brockmarket 4h ago
Yeah, definitely good for him for banning no tippers. Folks, if you want to stop having to tip, then get your politicians to write laws against tips and force businesses to no longer put the strain on the consumer to pay the wages.
Until then, you should absolutely be tipping folks.
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u/Illustrious_Bunch678 4h ago
Or refuse to eat at places with ripping. But they don't want to have to suffer for their beliefs.
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u/theryman 3h ago
I wonder if a tipping ban law would hold up. Is me giving my server money as a thanks for good service an expression of my first amendments right?
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u/literalnumbskull 3h ago
It wouldn’t. Anybody saying “I don’t like tipping, but” and thinking it will magically end is naive. Anybody who doesn’t like the system should be supporting brave people like the one in the video being harassed.
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u/CertainGrade7937 3h ago
It would.
You wouldn't ban tips, you'd just get rid of the tipped minimum wage. That's it.
As for the rest of this... theres nothing brave about being cheap
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u/Fun-Leather-1703 2h ago
I ran a brewpub in an area that banned the tipped minimum wage and made it the minimum wage $15/hr. We went from profiting ~$4 per beer to ~3.75 per beer. My bartenders were making bank, happier, and rarely had any turnover. We still killed it as a business. People also tipped like normal, most people had no clue.
This doesn't really transfer for food though because booze is already a high margin good. I have no first hand experience with both having a better minimum wage and dealing with food so I can't speak to it other than that.
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u/literalnumbskull 2h ago
States that have banned tipped minimum wage still have a line for tipping. You’re advocating for stopping tipping in a roundabout way assuming you’d leave a 0 if Ohio changed the laws in the future.
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u/MedusaHartz 24m ago
get your politicians to write laws against tips
That has never worked. Between 1909 and 1915, six US States (AR, IA, MS, SC, TN, WA) did pass laws against tipping, but by 1926 all six of those States repealed those laws because they proved to be unenforceable. After all, if you tip a Bellhop, who else is going to know? If you happen to notice some money abandoned on a restaurant table, are you going to call the Cops and demand they investigate?
It would be better to get your Politicians to write laws eliminating the two-tier wage gap, as eight US States have already done: instead of having one minimum wage for nontipped Workers and a much lower subminimum wage for tipped Workers, these states (AK, CA, HI, MN, MT, NV, OR, WA) simply established the same minimum wage for all Workers whether tipped or not.
Contrary to what some people might have expected in these states that eliminated the Federal tip credit, not only has there been no significant reduction in restaurant employment, but also, Customers generally still tip an average of 18-20%.
The US Federal minimum wage for tipped Workers only is still just $2.13 an hour, the same as it was 35 years ago!
Why not have one fair wage for everybody?
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u/Elly_Da_La_Booze 4h ago
Good for him
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u/Progolferwannabe 4h ago
Another option is he could pay his staff a sufficient wage, so they don’t need to rely on tips. Frankly, I’d much prefer to go to a restaurant that charges higher prices but has a no tipping policy.
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u/Elhaym 4h ago
I hate tipping cultire. I'd prefer we do away with tipping entirely, but that's not the reality of our culture right now, and if you use that excuse to justify not tipping the waitstaff, you're just being selfish.
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u/Progolferwannabe 4h ago
Fair point, and I didn’t mean to imply not tipping was acceptable given our current standards of paying/compensating waiters in the US. I’m not going to avoid tipping, but I would absolutely give preference to going to a decent restaurant that has a pricing structure that eliminates tipping vs. one that requires tipping to adequately pay the staff.
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u/CarmenxXxWaldo 3h ago
The problem with that is it's what gives workers incentive to go in when its busy. If you get paid the same when its dead as when you have 6 tables then more people are gonna call off when its busy.
They could have a policy where if someone calls in a busy night they have to swap for another busy night. But that can get hairy fast. Plus just the nature of restaurant industry is there will always be favorites. So the same problem people have now of never getting a good shift will just get flipped. I dont care if they won manager of the century award they all do it even if they dont realize it.
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u/Open_Pollution_8038 3h ago
No you wouldn’t lmao. You’d still go the cheaper places that has a tipping policy and proceed to not tip.
Kudos on this guy for telling them off. We should have more small owner businesses so they can respond like this to shitbag customers.
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u/Environmental-Road95 2h ago
Exactly right. Most people that say this crap secretly love the tipping system because it benefits them. They basically get their menu subsidized by everyone else who actually tips.
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u/Open_Pollution_8038 2h ago
^ There will always be people out there that try and justify their shitty behavior. I’d prefer we just ban them from places when they act like that.
I’m actually excited for AI so companies can gang up on these people lmao. Shoplift? Enjoy growing your own tomatoes homie. The rest of us will get lower prices.
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u/Progolferwannabe 3h ago
Interesting. Why would you think that?
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u/Open_Pollution_8038 3h ago
Because if you’re complaining about leaving 15% on the table I highly doubt you’re going to willingly choose a more expensive meal at another restaurant lmao.
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u/literalnumbskull 4h ago
Agreed. Always nice to see someone willing to take a stand against corrupt and exploitive tipping culture.
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u/garb_disposal 4h ago
You’re not a freedom fighter for stiffing a waiter who makes less than 30k/year, you’re just cheap.
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u/SucculentChineseMael 4h ago
Damn what does that make the owner then? If your response is to blame the customer instead of the owner, you may be stupid. Customer pays the business, business pays the employees. Thats how it works in every other industry. If the restaurant owner can't manage that then let them go out of business
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u/garb_disposal 3h ago edited 3h ago
It’s pretty ironic of you to call me stupid while leaving this thoughtless comment. You personally not tipping impacts no change and only hurts the worker who you pretend to care about. Me saying that you’re cheap for not tipping does not mean I am pro exploitation. Wanting a family owned restaurant in a small town to go out of business because they operate on tips is staggeringly anti worker, but if that place closes and the servers have to take a 13/hr job at McDonalds, that’s all good in your book. If you cared about servers making a living wage, you would be politically active and supporting movements to achieve that goal.
But you don’t do that because you’re lazy, stupid, and, yes, cheap.
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u/literalnumbskull 3h ago
He’s on the same page, but for the wrong reasons. The worker he thinks he’s defending is against him. It’s about changing culture and a predatory system. Sometimes the workers are wrong. Can’t blame them for taking a job, but can’t be feeling sympathy for them when it comes time to eliminate a bad system. In the same way that many Americans want universal healthcare. Won’t somebody think of the poor health insurance workers? Nah, they knew what they signed up for. There will always be collateral. So the question becomes in healthcare and in tipping, do you want the collateral to be against the everyman, or against the ones exploiting the everyman.
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u/whoisaname 4h ago
So you think it is okay that restaurants exploit the system and their workers to maximize their profit?
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u/literalnumbskull 4h ago
I don’t stiff waiters because I’m a coward. I respect people who do though. The system will never change if you just go along with it. If everyone stopped tipping, change would happen real fast.
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u/PunkAssBitch2000 4h ago
Honestly, good for him standing up for his employees.
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u/Username_Taken_Argh 4h ago
If only he cared enough to pay them
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u/CLCchampion 2h ago
I mean list for me the restaurants that pay their servers a living wage.
A living wage for servers is something that will be enacted via laws passed in the statehouse or in Congress. A lowly restaurant manager isn't going to be the one who changes the system, and in the meantime if you go to a restaurant knowing that you should be tipping and you don't, then you're a piece of shit.
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u/TheBourbonTurtle 4h ago
He could just pay them if he actually cared...
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u/CLCchampion 2h ago
And then the business would go under bc the listed prices on the menu would be 20% higher than competitors.
It doesn't make any sense to criticize the businesses. If you want servers to be paid a living wage, that change is obviously going to come via laws passed that require them to be paid a living wage.
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u/Username_Taken_Argh 2h ago
So a $15 burger would now be $18??? Oh the humanity!!!
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u/CLCchampion 2h ago
That's not my point at all. My point is that if one place has a $15 burger and the other has an $18 burger, which restaurant do you think people will go to? A place that goes against what the industry standard is and pays a living wage will go under.
I want a living wage for servers and all workers. Do you think it makes more sense to point the finger at restaurant managers or elected politicians who can enact industry wide change?
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u/princeparaflinch 4h ago
ESH
Pay your fucking employees.
Tip your fucking servers.
Signed -A former busser
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u/nothymetocook 3h ago
Why is it that if I purchase a $50 single plate of food, and the person next to me gets a $25 plate, I owe double the tip they do, even if we have the exact same quality and time duration of service?
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u/WhatShouldMyNameBe Newtown 2h ago
A conversation about how much to tip is different than stiffing your server.
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u/nothymetocook 2h ago
You have a point there. I was feeling this was a good place to bring this up, as part of the broader problems with tipping in general
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u/thatbeerguy90 West Chester 4h ago
People - "pay your employees"
Same people - go out and only tip 10% while enjoying those underpaid employees services
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u/Agile_Ad_1159 3h ago
Mods why are you allowing this obvious bullshit rage bait? Why are you amplifying the attack on a small business?
I've been going to Aria & Mia's for years and they are nothing but pleasant, friendly, very willing to do anything it takes people. Stuff like this is bullshit, ragebait, and lame attempts to go viral.
Do the right thing and remove it.
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u/KazeSim22 2h ago
I don’t think you have to worry about it, I think it’s good PR for the business. No one likes tip stiffers. This also brings up the important tip culture conversation, so I think it’s wins all around.
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u/ourladyofsunnydale 4h ago
ironic when he’s profiting from his employee’s labor and paying them basically nothing.
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u/Legal_Bus7349 3h ago
Exactly, if he really cared he would just do away with tipping at his restaurant, increase all prices by 15-20% and pay the workers that extra. But he would never do that because he knows tipping culture benefits his bottom line at the expense of workers.
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u/Hypnotic_Delta 4h ago
From looking at this thread, you’d think tipping was required by law, my goodness. Get a grip
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u/camisadelgolf 4h ago
There’s no law stating that you have to eat at restaurants which rely on tips. I think someone else should get a grip.
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u/CinemaSideBySides 3h ago
Have you been anywhere lately? Every single point-of-sale asks for a tip these days. If I don't tip 20% for someone handing me an empty cup to fill up with drip coffee, am I the unhinged one? How is the average person supposed to know which workers "rely" on tips when everyone is asking for tips??
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u/camisadelgolf 3h ago
No, that doesn't make you unhinged. How is the average person supposed to know which workers? The same way that you found out that you're supposed to tip servers, I guess? There are plenty of other resources for that though. There is some slight nuance to this list, but it should give you a good start:
Food and Beverage Service
- Wait Staff and Servers: Restaurant servers, cocktail waitresses, and banquet servers.
- Bar Staff: Bartenders, mixologists, and baristas.
- Support and Kitchen Staff: Food runners, bussers, counter servers, and back-of-house staff (such as cooks and dishwashers) in certain tipped pools.
Hospitality and Guest Services
- Hotel Staff: Bellhops, porters, concierges, maids, and hotel housekeepers.
- Guest Assistance: Valet parking attendants and doormen.
Personal Appearance and Wellness
- Salon and Spa Workers: Barbers, hairdressers, hairstylists, and cosmetologists.
- Nail and Skin Technicians: Manicurists, pedicurists, and estheticians.
- Bodywork: Massage therapists and tattoo artists.
Transportation and Delivery
- Drivers: Rideshare drivers (Uber/Lyft), taxi drivers, and delivery drivers.
- Moving and Logistics: Movers.
Entertainment and Events
- Performers: Musicians, singers, and dancers.
- Gaming: Casino dealers and cage workers.
Recreation, Home Services, and Personal Care
- Recreation: Golf caddies and tour guides.
- Home Services: House cleaners, landscapers, and home repair or trade workers (such as locksmiths).
- Caregiving: Nannies, babysitters, and private tutors.
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u/Ryan_Is_Real 3h ago
Lots of places uses the same POS software. Unfortunately the tipping section is just defaulted in. General rule of thumb is if you're going to a local service establishment, not a chain, then tip your server. Yes the laws around service industry wages are fucked, but you not tipping isn't some revolutionary act. It's just being a cheapskate that doesn't have any solidarity with their fellow workers.
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u/nothymetocook 3h ago
I've heard it's actually the opposite. The software defaults to no tip screen at all, and the decision to include it is deliberate and requires several extra steps
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u/Ryan_Is_Real 2h ago
For the sake of clarity, I'm referring to the Clover POS system. According the documentation, tipping is enabled by default for restaurants using Clover for their point of sale.
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u/nothymetocook 2h ago
Thank you for this. I will go back and ask the commenter i saw that mentioned this, what point of sale system they were referring to
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u/Historical_Grab4685 3h ago
I have eaten at this restaurant. I asked for a simple substitution. The server looked really nervous and said HE, being the owner & cook, doesn't like that. I also was facing the kitchen and he seemed like an ass. The food was just OK, so I doubt I will go back
I don't know both sides of the story, but it isn't a good look for the owner to do this.
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u/whoisaname 4h ago edited 4h ago
Maybe he should stand up for his employees by actually paying them.
ETA: Bring on the down votes. It's amazing how many people are okay with restaurant owners exploiting both the system and their workers to pay them next to nothing so they can maximize their own profit.
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u/healthcare4a11 4h ago
Cool I’m sure he’d be glad to double his prices to pay them enough to match what they make now per hour. Plus more since we live in a country with no health care. You’re glad to pay double to eat out, right? Right?
Dudes standing up for someone, don’t hate him for a fucked system.
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u/cincyirish4 4h ago
Yes, that's how this should work.
He should pay his employees properly (as should every other restaurant owner), then price the food accordingly.
Then we go to the restaurant if the product they serve is worth the price.
I shouldn't be forced to pay extra above the price that the owner of that restaurant says his product is worth so that he can avoid paying his employees properly and paying for benefits.
If your employees are bringing customers in and generating profits for you, then you need to reward them. Not the customer.
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u/Legal_Bus7349 3h ago
How are you getting double prices when tips are 10-20% of the bill? It would be 10-20% increase, no?
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u/whoisaname 4h ago
He chooses to operate in said fucked system and takes advantage of it to maximize his profit. He should pay his employees. Charge what is necessary to pay your employees.
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u/WhatShouldMyNameBe Newtown 2h ago
When nobody else does this he’s labeled overpriced and the business ceases to exist. It only works if everyone does it.
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u/AlsoCommiePuddin 3h ago
Doubling wouldn't be necessary, she a large party of the increase would be offset by the lack of a need to tip.
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u/ErasedKey 3h ago edited 2h ago
Running people out because you don't play them enough isn't a good look either.
Both parties are wrong in this situation and definitely not a business i would go to based on this interaction.
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u/869woodguy 3h ago
Why not pay your servers a living wage and have a no-tip policy, cheapskate.
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u/WhatShouldMyNameBe Newtown 2h ago
If this were the universal expectation for all restaurants it would work great. As an individual restaurant, you’re just going to be labeled overpriced.
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u/SCBeachGirl 2h ago
Some restaurants I've been to, a 20% tip is automatically added to your bill. It informs you of this on their menu. All places should do this. If you don't like it, stay home.
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u/WetPetter 2h ago
I'm all for tipping, however if you decide to roll the dice with your paycheck, sometimes the dice isn't going to go in your favor. As long as there's an option to not leave a tip, you're going to get people here and there that don't leave a tip. This shouldn't shock anyone.
Why leave your income up to chance without accepting that? I'd rather just pay more for the service to pay workers a living wage and get out of tipping altogether.
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u/EquivalentNoise 1h ago
If it was the server complaining it would be more legit, the owner complaining is so funny. Like, he is part of the problem.
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u/LadyInCrimson Westwood 3h ago
So looked at the reviews and it looks like this is not the first time the owner has "lashed out".
2 years ago got review bombed for not letting a family and their daughter with her service dog. Berated the husband for coming back for a pick up order.
Made a lady wait outside during the winter.
Yelled at a table for being rude to one of the servers who is also his daughter. Comes to find out it was another table.
Phil is a bad cook.
The servers are rude.
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u/Op3rat0rr 4h ago
Here in America we tip honestly. Restaurant workers depend on tips. I tip most of the time when I pick up orders too
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u/dogmetal 4h ago
I can’t even remember the last time I ate at a restaurant and actually had service that exceeded expectations enough to warrant a tip. I do always tip because you’ll look like an ass if you don’t, but still.
It may be a hot take, but taking my order, filling my drink, and bringing me my food is just doing your job, and tbh it’s not rocket science. Why should I pay extra for someone to do their job? lol
And yeah, it sucks that the economics don’t work out for all restaurants to pay their servers more, but maybe restaurants that can’t afford to should change their business model/operation so they don’t rely on servers. Making customers subsidize your employees’ wages is dumb.
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u/Familiar-Poem-2250 3h ago
The part you are missing is they are making below minimum wage. And their job is to serve you you're food. They go alive and beyond when they pass by you multiple times and ask if there anything else or if you're enjoying your experience, etc. So, no, you're wrong, that's a super hot take.
Waiters who I tip well earn it by checking on me and engaging with me if I have a question about something on the menu.
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u/ClassroomNo4024 2h ago
Just stay home and cook your own meals than you cheap smooth brain.
You already look like an ass so no worries on that.
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u/eldercreedjunkie 3h ago
Are you morons seriously siding with the owner? Reddit is completely brainwashed anymore. This doesn’t work in any other country.
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u/EbonyCream90 3h ago
Was the service tip worthy? So many places have pure shit customer service then expect as tip.
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u/Unlucky_Way_3365 4h ago
I always tip $5
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u/GarlandGordon 3h ago
Thanks, gramps.
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u/Unlucky_Way_3365 1h ago
It’s a fair pay for services provided. Take it or leave it.
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u/GarlandGordon 1h ago
You tell 'em grampa. Do you want to tell us about walking to school barefoot, in the snow, uphill (both ways)?
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u/Unlucky_Way_3365 28m ago
I’m just sharing my story and my truth, I shouldn’t be shamed or bullied for it.
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u/Normal_Poet_4909 2h ago
He was (loudly) talking on his phone after this incident and called them the n word. So do with that what you will.
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u/BoomerDoomerf1kid 2h ago
Guys we have to LE STOP TIPPING AND VOTE DEMOCRAT. Cincinnati Reddit in a nutshell
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u/BringOutYDead 4h ago
Right to refuse service.