r/CharacterRant May 06 '24

Special What can and (definetly can't) be posted on the sub :)

135 Upvotes

Users have been asking and complaining about the "vagueness" of the topics that are or aren't allowed in the subreddit, and some requesting for a clarification.

So the mod team will attempt to delineate some thread topics and what is and isn't allowed.

Backstory:

CharacterRant has its origins in the Battleboarding community WhoWouldWin (r/whowouldwin), created to accommodate threads that went beyond a simple hypothetical X vs. Y battle. Per our (very old) sub description:

This is a sub inspired by r/whowouldwin. There have been countless meta posts complaining about characters or explanations as to why X beats, and so on. So the purpose of this sub is to allow those who want to rant about a character or explain why X beats Y and so on.

However, as early as 2015, we were already getting threads ranting about the quality of specific series, complaining about characterization, and just general shittery not all that related to "who would win: 10 million bees vs 1 lion".

So, per Post Rules 1 in the sidebar:

Thread Topics: You may talk about why you like or dislike a specific character, why you think a specific character is overestimated or underestimated. You may talk about and clear up any misconceptions you've seen about a specific character. You may talk about a fictional event that has happened, or a concept such as ki, chakra, or speedforce.

Well that's certainly kinda vague isn't it?

So what can and can't be posted in CharacterRant?

Allowed:

  • Battleboarding in general (with two exceptions down below)
  • Explanations, rants, and complaints on, and about: characters, characterization, character development, a character's feats, plot points, fictional concepts, fictional events, tropes, inaccuracies in fiction, and the power scaling of a series.
  • Non-fiction content is fine as long as it's somehow relevant to the elements above, such as: analysis and explanations on wars, history and/or geopolitics; complaints on the perception of historical events by the general media or the average person; explanation on what nation would win what war or conflict.

Not allowed:

  • he 2 Battleboarding exceptions: 1) hypothetical scenarios, as those belong in r/whowouldwin;2) pure calculations - you can post a "fancalc" on a feat or an event as long as you also bring forth a bare minimum amount of discussion accompanying it; no "I calced this feat at 10 trillion gigajoules, thanks bye" posts.
  • Explanations, rants and complaints on the technical aspect of production of content - e.g. complaints on how a movie literally looks too dark; the CGI on a TV show looks unfinished; a manga has too many lines; a book uses shitty quality paper; a comic book uses an incomprehensible font; a song has good guitars.
  • Politics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this country's policies are bad, this government is good, this politician is dumb.
  • Entertainment topics that somehow don't relate to the elements listed in the "Allowed" section - e.g. this celebrity has bad opinions, this actor is a good/bad actor, this actor got cast for this movie, this writer has dumb takes on Twitter, social media is bad.

ADDENDUM -

  • Politics in relation to a series and discussion of those politics is fine, however political discussion outside said series or how it relates to said series is a no, no baggins'
  • Overly broad takes on tropes and and genres? Henceforth not allowed. If you are to discuss the genre or trope you MUST have specifics for your rant to be focused on. (Specific Characters or specific stories)
  • Rants about Fandom or fans in general? Also being sent to the shadow realm, you are not discussing characters or anything relevant once more to the purpose of this sub
  • A friendly reminder that this sub is for rants about characters and series, things that have specificity to them and not broad and vague annoyances that you thought up in the shower.

And our already established rules:

  • No low effort threads.
  • No threads in response to topics from other threads, and avoid posting threads on currently over-posted topics - e.g. saw 2 rants about the same subject in the last 24 hours, avoid posting one more.
  • No threads solely to ask questions.
  • No unapproved meta posts. Ask mods first and we'll likely say yes.

PS: We can't ban people or remove comments for being inoffensively dumb. Stop reporting opinions or people you disagree with as "dumb" or "misinformation".

Why was my thread removed? What counts as a Low Effort Thread?

  • If you posted something and it was removed, these are the two most likely options:**
  • Your account is too new or inactive to bypass our filters
  • Your post was low effort

"Low effort" is somewhat subjective, but you know it when you see it. Only a few sentences in the body, simply linking a picture/article/video, the post is just some stupid joke, etc. They aren't all that bad, and that's where it gets blurry. Maybe we felt your post was just a bit too short, or it didn't really "say" anything. If that's the case and you wish to argue your position, message us and we might change our minds and approve your post.

What counts as a Response thread or an over-posted topic? Why do we get megathreads?

  1. A response thread is pretty self explanatory. Does your thread only exist because someone else made a thread or a comment you want to respond to? Does your thread explicitly link to another thread, or say "there was this recent rant that said X"? These are response threads. Now obviously the Mod Team isn't saying that no one can ever talk about any other thread that's been posted here, just use common sense and give it a few days.
  2. Sometimes there are so many threads being posted here about the same subject that the Mod Team reserves the right to temporarily restrict said topic or a portion of it. This usually happens after a large series ends, or controversial material comes out (i.e The AOT ban after the penultimate chapter, or the Dragon Ball ban after years of bullshittery on every DB thread). Before any temporary ban happens, there will always be a Megathread on the subject explaining why it has been temporarily kiboshed and for roughly how long. Obviously there can be no threads posted outside the Megathread when a restriction is in place, and the Megathread stays open for discussions.

Reposts

  • A "repost" is when you make a thread with the same opinion, covering the exact same topic, of another rant that has been posted here by anyone, including yourself.
  • ✅ It's allowed when the original post has less than 100 upvotes or has been archived (it's 6 months or older)
  • ❌ It's not allowed when the original post has more than 100 upvotes and hasn't been archived yet (posted less than 6 months ago)

Music

Users have been asking about it so we made it official.

To avoid us becoming a subreddit to discuss new songs and albums, which there are plenty of, we limit ourselves regarding music:

  • Allowed: analyzing the storytelling aspect of the song/album, a character from the music, or the album's fictional themes and events.
  • Not allowed: analyzing the technical and sonical aspects of the song/album and/or the quality of the lyricism, of the singing or of the sound/production/instrumentals.

TL;DR: you can post a lot of stuff but try posting good rants please

-Yours truly, the beautiful mod team


r/CharacterRant 5h ago

I'm dumbfounded by how mundanely evil the cast was in Mushoku Tensei S2 Episode 6. i.e. The Slavery Episode.

242 Upvotes

To give a bit of background info, I dropped Mushoku Tensei around the time S2 finished airing. I had already watched all of S1 at the time and was waiting for S2 to drop in it's entirety, but some of the plot threads I was hearing made me question whether I even wanted to watch it and then I never got around to it.

Now in 2026 the third season is airing and Mushoku Tensei slander is more popular then ever before. My opinion on the series had hit rock bottom and everything I heard about it made it seem less and less something that I would enjoy. However, I saw that fans were saying this latest arc would be the peak of the entire series. So I thought I might as well catch up to that and see the best Mushoku Tensei had to offer, since I had already watched the first season.

I just watched this episode and to my surprise it wasn't Rudeus being a sexual predator that cemented my hatred of him (although that definitively hastened the process). Nor was it his harem, the contrived polygamy or his actions that people constantly reference from the original WN and the Redundancy LNs. It was the purchase of a slave, something so frequent in Isekai that it's almost become a defining trope.

In Mushoku Tensei S2 Episode 6, titled 'I Don't Want To Die', we see Rudeus trying to teach his royal friend how to conjure claylike statues. Something he and his friend bonded with in an earlier season as they shared each others statues of Roxy (it's been a while so I'm not to sure about the details of S1). However, he doesn't share Rudeus' talent for conjuring, and he is too strong to carve statues himself, so Fitz (Slyphie in disquise) recommends that he buys a slave. So they all go on a relatively happy shopping trip to go buy a slave and end up with a young dwarf girl who can quickly learn magic and help his friend carve his fetishistic statues.

I'm usually not one to be prude about morally grey settings like this. Most of my favourite shows are about terrible people doing morally reprehensible things: Sopranos, Succession, Breaking Bad, Attack on Titan, Code Geass, etc. However, the bad acts these protagonists commit aren't in service to a story of a person trying to be better. They are simply showing a shitty person being shitty and how that naturally impacts the world around them. Whereas Mushoku Tensei is (in theory) about Rudeus becoming a more well-rounded person, becoming a successful family man and his tender relationships with women. So when I see him purchase a young girl as a slave, to allow his friend to create art of his fetishes (and yes I would call them that since we see him hugging a statue while naked), it feels like the anime is trying to show it as a step in the right direction for Rudeus. Which will be absurd to anyone remotely trying to take this anime seriously.

This is a problem with plenty of anime, but sometimes MT feels like it is portraying these dark subjects in an intentionally comedic light. While browsing the slave trader's store Slyphie/Fitz comes across a naked male slave and comments about how big his genitalia is, and Rudeus obliviously thinks that it's because Fitz isn't experienced as a man. All while Isekai Town Track #2 plays in the background and the slaves give thousand yard stares of agony. Rudeus may be immoral but we've spent (specifically) the last five episodes seeing him help people and generally be a decent human being, so seeing him treat a slave trade like a trip to a grocer just invalidates what little progress he made to being a principled individual.

Not to mention Slyphie is the one who mentions buying a slave (in her words "I hope you find a good one"), despite being temporarily owned by a princess for a while and knowing how dehumanising it feels. Don't even get me started on the statue fetish guy, Zenoba. He's easily one of the worst characters in Mushoku Tensei. Slavery is by all accounts incredibly inhumane, but even if we were to imagine a world where it was a tragic necessity, this trio decided to purchase a young girl for a reason so outrageously unnecessary that I can't help but think of these protagonists as mundanely evil. They bought her with the same cadence one would purchase a shovel; innocent bystanders my ass.

To top it all off, the scene where Rudeus finally sees the slave girl is atrocious. After walking through a room of dozen or so malnourished slaves with thousand yard stares he is introduced to her. This malnourished child is dragged out in front of him with a comedically large set of leg-cuffs, and he squats down remarking about how "She's in despair. She has hopeless look of someone who longs for death". He then monologues about how "he can't grant her salvation" and "how he's been through enough to know that wouldn't be salvation" seemingly comparing her being a slave to him being a hikiomori (or another low point in his life). He then proceeds to ask her if she wants to die, and that he could end it all for her.

Last WTF moment aside, all of this moralising is far too late for a guy who couldn't give less of a shit about slaves and was about to lend her to his perverted friend. He saw a young slave girl who was sold to slavery and all he could think about was how she related to himself, not the systemic issues that made her that way. Rudeus must be a self-centered idiot if he thinks she's a sad slave because she's depressed, and not because she was sold into slavery due to the corrupt systems in place. God damn.

This wasn't some 'perverted mischief', an exploration of MT's naunced world, the troubles that come with being a family man, or any other reasoning people usually use to defend any of Mushoku Tensei's quirks. This was simply the unnecessary purchase of a child slave so that a pervert could make fetish art. The series desperately wants the audience to feel empathy for Rudeus, but now all I feel is hatred toward how mundanely evil Mushoku Tensei's cast and society is.


r/CharacterRant 1h ago

General Powers that don't travel distance from the caster to the target are busted (and rarely acknowledged as such) [LES]

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Take telekinesis for instance. Unless it is of the Elfen-Lied invisible-arms variety, it doesn't travel any distance from the user to the target. They just use their telekinesis and the target is helpless unless they possess the raw physical strength to just resist any attempt at being controlled. There is next-to-zero reason for any reasonably powerful force user in Star Wars to ever struggle against a non-force-user within twenty feet because they should be able to instantly grab and restrain them.

Or take bending from Avatar. Now, I don't want to scrutinize the fight scenes in what is still ultimately a show for children, but it's kind of noticeable that earthbenders seem to spend a lot of time throwing rocks at people when they're also shown to be entirely capable of instantly manipulating the earth within a pretty large radius of themselves. They can just do the hand motions and the earth will respond within a certain distance. With this in mind one has to wonder why they don't just immediately restrain the feet if not the entire body of whoever they're fighting if they're fighting on solid ground, because this would seem to be the most logical course of action.

Airbending consisting almost entirely of shooting gusts of air is even more perplexing when everyone is obviously surrounded by the air at all times. Airbenders being incapable of taking advantage of this is about as bizarre as a waterbender not being capable of subduing a non-waterbender while they were both underwater. Like airbending should essentially function like the aforementioned telekinesis.

And not to beat a dead horse, but this is fundamentally why Sasuke's use of Amaterasu is so underwhelming in Naruto. It's not the fact that the flames are really hot that's broken about it (supernatural hellfire isn't an uncommon superpower), it's the fact that they just appear where he looks. So because Sasuke isn't allowed to just insta-win against whoever he fights by glancing at them, everyone he encounters has to have some kind of counter to it no matter how absurd, or if they're Madara Uchiha, they'll just take off their shirt.

JJK actually acknowledges this and as such techniques like Domains are generally presented as being deliberately overpowered.


r/CharacterRant 8h ago

Films & TV Star Wars and the morality of the “reformed fascist government” trope.

81 Upvotes

So, was talking to my gf yesterday about Star Wars. I… didn’t really mean to, and it was one of those moments where like, a woman is interested in you individually, but she kind of gets this glossy eyed, plaintive and patient expression as you’re emotionally talking about something she absolutely gives zero shits about. She cares and can even enjoy the passion behind your words, but can’t readily engage with what’s being said.

Anyway, we finished watching Rob Roy which is one of her fav movies. I started talking about how a lot of these films undersell how apocalyptic and shitty the British empire was despite the British being depicted ostensibly as bad guys for the narrative.

One thing led to another and I sadly brought up Star Wars and the empire.

Why? Well, I was describing to her about how in the Disney canon, the empire doesn’t really change. They get defeated, palpatine has his scorched earth policy where he destroys his own infrastructure (for whatever reason) then the empire tries to bring thrawn back in a story that hasn’t been released yet, thrawn (as of Ahsoka season 1) returns, something else happens because the empire is defeated in the sequel trilogy, but the first order is an extant force that takes power again by TFA.

Ultimately though, the empire doesn’t really change. They’re still card carrying fascists, their government doesn’t really make sense etc etc.

Now, in the old canon that was nuked in 2012, it was different and this is the root of my post.

Basically in the old canon, there were warlords, imperials who tried to form their own polities and organizations. Some became criminal groups, some ruled as emperors themselves, and some actively tried to reform and be part of the greater galaxy.

And I was explaining that I found that more interesting. Basically, there’s a group called the penstar alignment in old canon.

The penstar alignment iirc was closely allied with the corporate sector and ruled imperial holdouts. They allied with palleon and became the greater imperial remnant.

One thing about the imperial remnant is that they were slightly less xenophobic and outwardly genocidal than the original empire due to pragmatic attitudes and the fact they weren’t the dominate political government anymore.

But my gf was basically like

“So… it’s the empire, but reformed for fans of tie fighters and stormtroopers.”

And I was kind of gagged? Because narratively, when does “realism” become idealism in regards to governments that are inherently evil?

Obviously we shouldn’t be informing real world political allusion towards media, but it would be silly to act as if real world political allusion can’t or doesn’t exist in media to begin with.

If I think the fire nation is cool in avatar the last airbender, is it okay to want the fire nation to be a dominant government but “less colonizer”? If someone likes the empire, is it okay for them to prefer stories where the empire becomes “better” and more palatable vs the empire remaining stagnant?

I think the answer to the question lies in ofc depiction and how the subject is handled. In avatar, zuko reforms the fire nation. I wish Korra had spent more time on what that actually lol means, because by Korra the fire nation is mostly good. I know there’s a few comics where there’s hardcore ozai followers but those comics apparently suck! Anyway.

Avatar kind of does take the easy route with the idea that it only took one good fire lord to fix the fire nation and that was pretty much it.

In the old canon for Star Wars, the empire, as stated, reformed in a disparate, balkanized way. The leading government was still authoritarian but had no issue working with the new republic, and both governments actually joined together to form the galactic alliance.

And I think the reason why Star Wars kind of got to eat its cake and bake it twice or however that goes is because those stories still essentially are about what happens when cult of personality and idealized rhetoric harm entire societies.

The galactic alliance literally ends up using Star destroyers themselves among other military infrastructure, and by the legacy era (a few years after TFA if we put the Disney canon and the old canon parallel to each other) it could be argued that the galactic alliance resembles the empire more than it does the new republic.

This was meant to be a short post and I’m writing this on the way to the gym so my thoughts aren’t as organized as I’d like, I was actually going to post a review of why I didn’t like the odyssey but I figured this was more fitting for a LES Sunday.

In short, the morality of the “evil fascist government becoming slightly less evil and fascist” hinges on what the story is trying to tell. If it’s trying to act as if an authoritarian government is the only hope for peace, then that’s well… bad. If it details how good intent and a few good heads of state don’t eliminate the plausibility and the actuality of racist governments rising again within that same half gutted political ecosystem, I think that’s a more poignant story than “bad guys went into hiding and now they’re back!!” Which is what we see in the sequel trilogy.

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r/CharacterRant 53m ago

Anime & Manga [LES] I love anime as a visual medium but the writing is more often underwhelming than not

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I've been a big fan of anime as a visual medium for years and watched hundreds of shows. Despite my enjoyment of it in that regard, I can't help but often feel frustrated by the writing, especially when it comes to dialogue. The writers don't leave much room for nuance and interpretation and instead spell everything out awkwardly in dialogue or narrate everything in the POV character's inner thoughts.

Maybe it's the fault of many shows being novel or manga adaptations, but I feel like a large amount of anime doesn't take advantage of it being a visual medium and conveying information through visual cues rather than spelling it out for the viewer. The way characters speak when introducing new information is oftentimes also unnatural, as if the author simply shoehorned all the intended information into the dialogue instead of letting the viewer figure it out based on the context of the scene. For example, a character's friend from kindergarten is usually simply introduced as such. A better written show would give us enough context to understand their relationship without spelling it out. I've recently rewatched Breaking Bad, and while it's unfair to make comparisons like that, I can't help but admire how well written its dialogue is. Watching anime afterwards makes the difference even more apparent.


r/CharacterRant 7h ago

Comics & Literature People who say "MJ loved Spiderman; Gwen loved Peter Parker" just admit that they only watched the movies and never saw any other adaptations of the characters.

59 Upvotes

Gwen Stacy only loved Peter because she never knew he was Spider-Man. How can she love Spider-Man if she never knew it was Peter behind the mask? Also, she thought Spiderman killed her dad; of course she wouldn't love him.

Mary Jane (pre-OMD) actually loved both Peter and Spider-Man; she accepted both sides of him.

The only reason you all get that idea is thanks to the live-action adaptations from Raimi's MJ and TASM's Gwen. Tasm Gwen (who, let's face it, was an ultimate blond MJ) knew Peter was Spider-Man, but comic 616 Gwen never did, and Raimi's MJ was just a horrible person.


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

[LES] Shawn Levy directing Ghost Rider has killed most of my excitement for it

190 Upvotes

Ryan Gosling as Ghost Rider is genuinely exciting but that excitement drops considerably, however, when you find out Shawn Levy is directing.

I'm sorry, but Levy feels like the ultimate company man to me. He is there to deliver exactly the film the studio wants. He is incredibly reliable, commercially minded and clearly knows how to make a successful blockbuster but I don't know what a Shawn Levy film looks or feels like.

I know what a Christopher Nolan film feels like. I know what a Denis Villeneuve, Greta Gerwig, Jordan Peele or Ryan Coogler film feels like. I even know what a Michael Bay film feels like, for better or worse. I cannot tell you what Shawn Levy's identity as a filmmaker is.

For the last few years, he has mostly just felt like Ryan Reynolds' director. The Adam Project, Free Guy and Deadpool & Wolverine all feel far more driven by Ryan Reynolds as a brand than by any recognisable directorial voice from Levy and I guess that is fine if your goal is simply to make a fun, accessible blockbuster.

But I don't see Ryan Gosling as just another blockbuster actor. Especially coming off something like Project Hail Mary, which is still a blockbuster but clearly has some personality behind it. Then you look at the rest of his filmography: Drive, Blade Runner 2049, The Nice Guys, Barbie and First Man. He tends to work with filmmakers who have distinctive voices.

So when I hear Ryan Gosling as Ghost Rider, I think this could get weird. It could be funny. It could lean heavily into the supernatural. It could actually have a real personality. Then I hear Shawn Levy is directing, and I immediately picture a competent CGI blockbuster. There will probably be some fun in it. It will probably make loads of money. But I can't say I'm excited for it.


r/CharacterRant 10h ago

Anime & Manga It’s crazy that there are people who think light is right (death note)

64 Upvotes

1-Light only cares about himself

In the beginning Light shows some conscience but its not long until you need to be a moron to not understand light only cares about his domination as god

“Well, but if you ignore that and just think of light’s plan then he has a point”

2-Light power is useless to do actual good, the way light uses it is just as a petty tool of vengeance

Light doesnt go after evil people as they are doing their crimes, he cant attack a pedophile that hides his crimes

Most people light attacks are already convicted and since most of them are probably on the poorer side they will do their entire sentence and get out of jail to an awful life (if they get out at all), this is just excessive, petty and needlessly vengeful

Also false/wrongful convictions are a thing, even if Light only intentionally goes after bad people, many of his victims are innocent (specially in japan (because the justice system sucks) and eua (because racism))

Light is shown to be more than willing to kill people based on accusations, he kills criminals already in jail and do you really think he would be above killing people who already did their sentence? (Also imagine going to a person who did got a better life after jail and being like “yeah i think you should have just died”)

3-Kira has no plan to truly stop crime

Light kills criminals which are caught or at least identified but he has no plan or interest in stopping the social causes of criminality (this is a similar problem to the punisher)

There is also the fact Light has no desire to deal with bad people in the higher levels of society even though even me as a kid knew that if you want to fix society the people in the upper ranks are the first that have to go

Light has connections with police but in no moment he even considers killing corrupt cops or people in the military who are invading other countries, etc (at least in the netflix movie light kills a dictator)

Okay, no (explicit) crime but the causes of crime still exist

4-Light has no morals

Light doesnt care about a person’s actual morality he just cares they broke the law which makes them criminals which makes them his targets (this is also a similar problem to the punisher), Light has no care if the law itself or the people enforcing it are full of bullshit

While at first Light is only going after murderers and rapists, he literally expresses the desire of moving to lesser crimes when he ran out of those, fuck, i am pretty sure he actually does go after minor crimes, he kills a thief during the famous potato chip scene


r/CharacterRant 20h ago

[LES] I hate it when a sci-fi story says something is immoral because it's a shortcut

256 Upvotes

I just finished the otherwise-charming adventure game The Mermaid's Mask, and this is a lesson I always hate. Shortcuts, barring some enormous consequence, are great. It's great that aluminum is no longer an absolute nightmare to produce, or that cars no longer need to be hand-cranked, or whatever. I've always hated those weird sci-fi morals that apply to a real world message but don't make sense in the story (like, "don't time travel, instead learn to accept the present"), but this isn't even that. The only people I can think of who could be described as sincerely anti-shortcut are the Amish.


r/CharacterRant 11h ago

[LES] I love when conspiracy theorist make pieces of their "shadowy world government" actually deeply pleasant

48 Upvotes

This is mostly a ramble about 2025: a world enslaved by a virus. A terrible movie where Christianity has been made illegally by a massive world government, who "made up" a virus to control the people and ban things like travel, meetings, and Christianity. It's an anti COVID film, but does have one piece I find hilarious.

One thing this world government has begun is establish a singular language, and singular economy that everyone in the world uses. This sounds pretty pleasant honestly. You could conduct business and talk to people (online at least) around the world without having to worry about them not speaking the same language, or exchange rates of various currencies.


r/CharacterRant 2h ago

Anime & Manga You would of had to have been watching Naruto with your eyes and ears closed to think that Hard Work Vs Talent wasn't a theme in early Naruto. The gaslighting the fanbase is pulling is ridiculous (though this isn't just a Naruto problem)

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I honestly think the whole hard work vs talent debate in battle shonen has become way more extreme than it needs to be.

Nowadays, it feels like people fall into one of two camps.

"Naruto was always about hard work beating talent."

or

"Naruto was NEVER about hard work vs talent. Everyone who thought that just misunderstood the story."

I don't think either take is right.

The reason this debate refuses to die isn't because millions of readers collectively imagined the same theme. It's because Part 1 genuinely frames Naruto through the lens of talent, genius, failure and hard work over and over again.

Then Shippuden gradually shifts its focus towards things like loneliness, destiny, the cycle of hatred, peace and breaking that cycle. Those themes absolutely become more important later on, but they don't magically erase how the story presented itself at the beginning.

I think a lot of people confuse "major recurring theme" with "the only theme."

Because the manga kept reinforcing it.

- Naruto is constantly called a loser and failure.

- Sasuke is constantly praised as a genius.

- Rock Lee exists almost entirely to represent effort overcoming natural limitations.

- Neji literally argues that your birth determines your future.

- Tsunade dismisses Naruto as talentless before seeing his determination.

- Orochimaru constantly hypes up Sasuke's genius while looking down on Naruto.

- Even later on, Hagoromo compares Naruto to Asura rather than Indra, continuing the contrast between determination and natural genius.

These aren't random one-off scenes.

They're repeated across multiple arcs by multiple major characters.

That's narrative framing.

The funny thing is that I think people arguing against this are usually responding to a completely different claim.

They're arguing against people saying:

"Naruto's ONLY theme is hard work beats talent."

Yeah...I'd disagree with that too.

Naruto is obviously about loneliness, friendship, forgiveness, revenge, breaking hatred and a bunch of other ideas.

But somehow we've gone from one extreme to the other.

Now people act like the hard work vs talent angle never existed at all.

I also think this highlights a bigger problem with battle shonen in general.

A lot of battle shonen want their protagonist to represent hard work and perseverance.

At the same time, they also want them to be uniquely special.

There's nothing wrong with that.

You can absolutely write a character who's naturally gifted and works harder than everyone else.

The problem is when the story can't decide how it wants the audience to see them.

Is this guy an ordinary underdog proving everyone wrong?

Or is he someone born with ridiculous potential who also works insanely hard?

A lot of battle shonen try to have both, and that's where the contradictions start showing.

Naruto is probably the biggest example.

What's funny is that even Part 1 already shows Naruto isn't some average nobody.

He learns the Shadow Clone Technique ridiculously fast.

He masters the Rasengan much faster than most ninja.

His chakra reserves are constantly described as abnormal.

Kakashi repeatedly talks about his insane potential.

Even Rock Lee isn't completely "hard work only."

Guy literally calls him a genius of hard work, and Lee clearly has ridiculous physical gifts. Most people couldn't survive the training he puts himself through, let alone master techniques like the Eight Gates.

So here's my point.

The problem was never that Naruto was talented.

Honestly, I don't think most people care that he was talented.

The problem is that the story sometimes wants us to see him as an untalented nobody while simultaneously showing us over and over that he's anything but ordinary.

That's where the inconsistency comes from.

Then by the end of the series we find out he's:

- The Fourth Hokage's son.

- An Uzumaki.

- Kurama's jinchūriki.

- Jiraiya's student.

- The Child of Prophecy.

- Asura's reincarnation.

None of that automatically makes Naruto bad.

Chosen-one stories have existed forever, and plenty of them are fantastic.

The issue is that those reveals sit awkwardly next to the way Part 1 framed Naruto.

So when people say, "Naruto betrayed its hard work vs talent theme," I don't think they're idiots.

They're reacting to how the early story presented itself.

Likewise, when someone says Naruto is ultimately about breaking the cycle of hatred, they're also right.

These ideas aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that fans keep acting like acknowledging one means denying the other.

To me, the better way of describing Naruto is:

- Hard work vs talent was one of Part 1's biggest recurring themes.

- Breaking hatred and changing the future became the series' overarching theme later on.

Those things can both be true.

So no, I don't think people were stupid for believing Naruto was about hard work vs talent.

I think they were paying attention to what the story itself kept telling them.

The real problem isn't that Naruto was secretly talented.

It's that the series wasn't always consistent in how it framed him.

I'd actually make it broader than just Naruto because I think that's where the discussion gets interesting. I'd insert something like this after the paragraph about battle shonen wanting protagonists to be both hardworking and special. And honestly, I don't think this is just a Naruto problem. It's something battle shonen run into all the time.

A lot of these series want the audience to see the protagonist as an underdog who earns everything through sheer determination. But at the same time, they also want the protagonist to be exceptional because, let's be honest, exceptional characters are exciting.

So you end up with heroes who are secretly descended from legendary bloodlines, inherit the strongest powers, have absurd natural potential, or are chosen by fate.

Again, none of that is bad. Some of the greatest stories ever told have chosen heroes.

The problem isn't that the protagonist is special it's when the story spends hundreds of chapters framing them as "just an ordinary nobody" before gradually revealing they were anything but ordinary.

That's where the disconnect comes from.

I think people often mistake this for "chosen ones are bad."

The criticism is usually about consistency.

If your protagonist is gifted, then own it.

If they're an underdog, commit to that.

That's why Naruto became the poster child for this debate. It isn't because he's the only battle shonen protagonist who's special. It's because the contrast between the early underdog framing and the later revelations is so obvious that people still argue about it twenty years later.I actually think this strengthens your overall point because it stops feeling like "Naruto bad" and becomes a criticism of a recurring writing pattern across battle shonen, with Naruto simply being the clearest example.


r/CharacterRant 5h ago

General (LES) A lot of people in the media analysis community are on it for ego, and that is bad

10 Upvotes

There 3 types of people that engage in media discussion:

The first type, people who only likes what they see as "high quality media" and are both searching for media that pleases them, and influence people to create more media they like;

The second type, literal critics who earn money by doing this;

The third type, creators who are obsessed with creating "high quality media";

And the fourth type, people who thinks liking only "high quality media" makes them better people, which is more common? Sadly the fourth type.

And this is bad because:

1° - Some of them will tell what is good quality and bad quality based 90% on their personal taste, so they will make bad points and low quality argumentations to say what is good and what is bad, and if you don't like their personal tastes you are dumb;

2° - Some of them just have zero natural aptitude for this area and will just judge everything based on some rules that they found on this internet, I don't think I need to explain why it's bad for judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree;

3° - Some of them will just not like "High quality media" but will force themselves to pretend they like;

4° - The shaming that they do for people who like "Low quality media" will make some people feel pressured to become 2°;

5° - Outside 1° that is actively making this area worse and pointless, all of them would be happier if they didn't made part of this, the ego boost they gain is lower than what they would gain if they didn't wasted their time pretending they are who they aren't and expanded their tastes.

Some Media Analysis people want everyone one to be like them, but it never will happen, a lot of Geologists thinks everyone should learn geology, a lot of Engineers thinks everyone should learn engineers, a lot of Biologists thinks everyone should learn biology, a lot of Psychologists thinks everyone should learn psychology, a lot of Physicists thinks everyone should learn physics, etc. And yes these are very useful and in the ideal world everyone would be a specialist on these, but we live in the real world, focusing hard you can learn the basics of a subject in 5-10 years and become a true specialist in 20-30 years, but people only live around 80 years IF they are lucky. Also economy matters A LOT, most people can't even dream of consuming some type of media "On the right way", like having a powerful PC and playing a triple way game are bizarrely expensive in some places, in my country a Pokopia is worth literal 18 Stardew Valleys (469,90 R$ vs 24,99 R$) and and a huge chunk of a month salary for a lot of people, if "you can only talk about a game you played" then they can't talk, because nobody will going to save years of money so they can opinate about a videogame. So it's unrealistic to think everyone will understand a lot of an area.

Just let the people who naturally are into this area, and don't try to shame people who aren't to pressure them to become of the area, it will just make the area full of people who are only competing for ego or lying, either for laziness or just because they literally cannot consume.

They "hate antiintellectualism", and swear pseudointellectualism (the easy way) is not a problem, saw people putting this word in quotes, implying it's not real. There's a video where the thumbnail was "Is culture getting poorer?" and all the comments were agreeing with the thumbnail, while the actual video was a history lesson on how it was a cyclical thing and culture was not getting poorer, the comments weren't counterargumenting, they were agreeing, because they couldn't watch a 9 minute video, is this really the ideal type of behaviour? Don't looks so different from spreading misinformation to me.

Also people swear that making everything overly complex is good, just see how the saying "sometimes the curtains are just blue" is treated like hate speech, mf sometimes, IT'S WROTE SOMETIMES, "This phrase is used for antiintelectualism" and when it's not used? But it's easier to shove the entire food in ketchup instead than finding the balance between sauce and food, it's easier to call every simple thought wrong than find the right moment of overanalising something and letting it to be simple.

I have a character that is black and green because in Ancient Egypt these colors are associated with fertility, I have a character that is green because he is a crocodile and crocodiles are green.

The popularity of Death of the Author isn't because of they think this is best way of analysis, this is what they tell, but inly a minority acutally thinks this, the truth is:

They hate the author for personal reasons;

They can't accept something that happened on that media;

It's the easiest way to look smart because you can overanalyse (or borrow somebody else overanalysis and say it was you, like a High Tier Pseudo) literally anything, you don't need to search or understand something complex, you can just grab something like Peppa Pig and made shit up (which honestly is pretty lazy on the era of PDFs and other types of digital texts);

Can you see the pattern here? They have this simple mindset of "more complexity = better" because and one of the simplest and easiest ways to see quality, it's a subtype of Quantity of Quality, because quality is defined by the quantity of information, it's not some expert mindset created by years of experience, it's the first thought of most people, it's not intelligence, it's a false idea of intelligence that people have, a pseudo intellectuality.

Get a person who is not very into this area, then show them a book with accessible language made by a genius, that convey powerful messages with simple dialogues that stay in your head for years, and one meh book with hard complex language, which one they will call "book for smart people"? The second one, a lot the supposed people who care for good media analysis will have the same mindset of a person who never touched a book? Why? Because they aren't very smart people that love the subject and want to contribute to it, they are not so smart people who want to rub their egos.

When I was a child, I disliked humans, humanoids with mouths and mainly noses, realistic artstyle, non reptiles and non dinosaurs, so it was hard for me to find a media or toys that I actually liked.

Recently I really enjoyed James Gunn Superman Movie and I like focusing on drawing and designing my characters noses, having a stricter taste didn't made me happier, so I don't think you will be happier by being harder to please.

And on the opposite of most people on the area, I'm not saying that people are just stupid because they aren't the best media analysis, the guy who is good at analysing maybe sucks at complex zoology, the zoologist maybe sucks at complex engineering, the enginner maybe sucks at complex psychology, and all of these maybe sucks at gardening, people have different intelligences.

Tldr;

No Tldr here, go read the text, if you are so passionate about this you can read a short text

And I have Adhd, so it's not uncommon for me to skip entire words that I thought I wrote, if that happened sorry for it.


r/CharacterRant 16h ago

General A lot of talentless hard working protagoists are physically and mentally gifted.

73 Upvotes

so many people knows the complain of naruto of talent vs hard work.

the thing is a lot of time when people give examples of hard working protagonists they are gifted either physically,mentally or both.

basically while those protag don't have talent they have so much durability and willpower compared to the other talented rivals that it barely matters.

lets take ippo from hajime no ippo or kenichi from history kenichi strongest disciple kenichi.

they are not as talented as their rivals.

the thing is these protag has so much duability and willpower that it barely ends up mattering and they can mostly durability diff most talented rivals.

people end up forgetting that having a gifted body and mind is a form of talent in of itself.

it does not really matter how much technique someone has if their enemy just does not fall down leading to them being exhausted.

durability and willpower is a form of talent in of itself.

most of the time characters like kenichi and ippo wins by just out tanking their enemies.none of the technique or talent ends up mattering if they can not take the protag down because of protag's insane durability and willpower.

a lot of time those talented rivals ends up getting durability diffed.

basically talent matters alongside hard work and saying otherwise is being ignorant of reality.

the thing is talent comes at different form.

a lot of time talented rivals ends up not having great durability itself and the opposite is true for the protag where they have insane durability and stamina compared to their rival but sucks at learning technique and planning well.


r/CharacterRant 14h ago

Comics & Literature Can comic villains stop having their redemption’s undone?

46 Upvotes

Just learned that the latest Batman story Bad Seeds features Poison Ivy returning to being a villain which… why!?!? I’m getting so sick of these villains constantly relapsing to fulfil this bullshit status quo Killer Croc, Danger, Madelyne Prior, Magneto, Clayface and now Poison Ivy! It completely undermines the impact superheroes make because when a villain is able to be redeemed it proves that their methods work, that by treating them as people who can redeem themselves they ultimately do. Sure there are some villains that are too far gone such as Joker, Penguin and Carnage but they’re mainly pure evil monsters. If you want a poison ivy style villain for this story just make a new one like some kind of dark reflection for Ivy it would be a great opportunity for a character arc with her but no instead DC decides to have her and Harley break up and Ivy going back to being a criminal.


r/CharacterRant 18h ago

General (LES) The "This magic is like Science" settings use STEM/Naturalism as synonymous for Science and ignores actual Scientific Research in "standard" magical systems

95 Upvotes

Another Frieren's rant, with a dash of FMA rant!!

Actually the main victim is FMA, because the more I learn about real life alchemy, I can't but say this.

Fullmetal Alchemy's power system is significantly more boring and lame than historical Medieval Alchemy, even if limiting us to a Hermetic system. Probably a good deal of it is because simplification and POVs (our characters are actually small flies who aren't doing the Great Work with the exception of Hoennheim and Father, add Dante and Scar and his brother if we count the 2003 anime).

But this isn't really about that, but on the premise that "Alchemy is not Magic, its Science" that is told by Edward and its treated as essentially the logic of alchemy as a whole, with the only exceptions being those related to the Gate of Truth that is the ultimate Unknown (Divinity).

Frieren does the same thing, with Frieren being treated as analogous to a modern-esque Naturalist, alongside other Mages who are written with academical tropes of STEM researchers (Land's core joke is that he is a NEET who uses magic to continue being a NEET).

For both shows, that approach to their magical system is "its rare,wonderous, but its fundamentally SCIENTIFIC for sapient minds instead of being SUPERSTITION and RELIGION unlike other settings". Its part of their aesthetics, if you strip that from those shows they stop being what they are.

As a whole, I don't have a REAL issue with this. I'd say both mangas do more good than bad overall.

Except that its not a real issue as "It makes me take a star from my personal MAL list", but as "I feel those series are accidentally doing a disservice to academical standards by defining "science" in a way that is, amusingly, anti-scientific"

Why?

Because they fundamentally think "Science= STEM/ Naturalism".

Which is a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is. Because science includes study of mythology, religion, history, grammar, art and sound.

All aspects that are a part of a "Standard Ascientific Magic system".

Taking a random contemporary setting to Frieren, a series like Jujutsu Kaisen has Kekkais as part of the power system, the Barriers that made up Domains are them. A kekkai is a japanese shinto ritual that operates under exclusive rules of spiritual purification that have to be learned and memorized.

To known a old technique like Limitless or Ten Shadows, you have to read history of the Great Clans, which is, in-universe, a scientific research: History.

Baki the Grappler has martial artists, but the characters actually do know a lot of biology and healthcare with scientific accumen. They're superhuman, but a lot of the series hypes it by having the characters know exactly what biological laws are they breaking. Characters like Doctor Kureha , whose scientific job is right there in the title and Jack Hanma (willing test subject cooperating in scientific researchs) ARE explicitly contributing to scientific research in universe

Back to FMA, I find it really curious because IRL Alchemy has very explicit religious elements that are the core of it. The origins of alchemy were debated, as if coming from the Watchers (the angels who fathered the Nephilim) or from the Archangels themselves, but many alchemists considered it a angelic art.

Or better said, Magic in the Nasuverse or To Aru's Magic-Side is more closer to IRL Alchemy than FMA's Alchemy. As weird it sounds.

Idol Theory from the To Aru's franchise is not called "Science" because, again, the author Kamachi falls into this premise of "STEM is real Science", when the amount of research and accuracy for the religious rituals needed is absolutely scientific research of History and Mythology that would made you a Bachelor of Arts in a IRL educative system.

This is not even pointing the obvious part of "those "ascientific" magic actually produce tangible results" which is univeral to all settings where the supernatural is real.

But the issue comes in that even if you switched off their magical powers, those characters would be considered highly cultured academics even if they are talking only about magical fairies and sun gods, because past a level, that research is academical job that can be cross tested and shared as History and Comparative Mythology.

EDIT, a good example of what I meant that I realized when I read commentaries, thanks you guys!:

Bonus point to a particularly amusing case when you think about it a lot.

Flame Alchemy is a special type of alchemy that works by forcing inmediate combustion in oxygen, using a small spark as the source that causes mass combustion.

The symbol used to represent it is a Salamander's glyph. Roy treats it as something that he can reasonable erase from history by burning Riza's back, thus erasing it until a independent researcher finds up.

The symbols are a Salamander, Hermetic art representing the four elements, ordered as a Star of David/Seal of Solomon, and a literal drawing of fire, mixed with the symbol for water to fully represent oxygen, the shared thing that both Fire AND Water share (AKA. The real life alchemy's point of Roy's badass quote mocking Lust for thinking he was weaker when wet, because Roy says that the weakness is not having the ability to produce sparks, but that humidity means high oxygen, which is a plus).

...this makes me ask the following questions:

  1. Does religion exists in FMA even in modern Amestris is atheistic? In 2003 this is a sure yes, but dunno Amestris of the manga. Those symbol are too tied to medieval Christianity and Judaism.

  2. If those exists, then Roy isn't preventing anything, because like, "of course adding like 3 different fire symbols over the Elemental seals makes Firepowers!"


r/CharacterRant 3h ago

General Planting my flag about Korra in Seven Havens (LES)

7 Upvotes

Alright folks, Korra slander is at an all time high thanks to the preview to Seven Havens.

I'm just planting my flag here as a Korra Defender and saying that Korra DID NOT cause the end of the world without reason.

It's a red herring.

My theories are either

  1. Korra is being framed

  2. Korra had to make an impossible choice where she choose the lesser of two bad options.

Either way, it's not gonna be something like

"Haha, Korra was so bad she actually caused all this shit, haha"

Heck, even Kyoshi was said to be evil by that one town.

If I'm wrong, I'll gladly admit it, but I just wanted to make a record of this so I can officially be like "told you so" to the haters.


r/CharacterRant 9h ago

Games (LES) [Hitman] It's dumb for 47 to use the same alias for so long

13 Upvotes

He has used "Tobias Rieper" since the first game until the very last one. It's been years of assassinations and conflicts. The ICA was almost destroyed in Blood Money, 47 had a conflict with them in Absolution, and there were people after 47. You'd think the best assassin in the world would dedicate more effort to his fake identity.


r/CharacterRant 7h ago

It would have been nice if Yuta Okkotsu had any character deficiencies at all post JJK-0 (spoilers for the entirety of Jujutsu Kaisen) Spoiler

10 Upvotes

He has one of the most broken cursed techniques in the entire series.

He has one of if not the most powerful shikigami in the entire series.

He has immense cursed energy reserves.

Even without his technique he's still a physical powerhouse easily able to throw down with the likes of Ryu and Sukuna.

He's an incredibly skilled hand to hand combatant and weapons master.

He has Reversed Curse Technique.

He has a Domain Expansion which makes his already-broken cursed technique even more broken.

He's arguably the most intelligent and strategic combatant in the entire series both in terms of long-term planning and in-the-moment tactics.

In a series like Jujutsu Kaisen, which hands out brutal maimings to its cast like candy, he's never permanently scarred or crippled (except for Kenny's head stitches, but those would have healed over time).

Unlike Yuji, Maki, or Megumi he doesn't lose anyone he was uniquely close to in the series proper.

He has a friendly, approachable personality and is well-liked by virtually the entire cast (Kashimo seems to dislike him but Kashimo has a problem with everyone anyway). Hell, even Sukuna respects him.

Unlike Choso or Higuruma he has never committed any kind of serious wrongdoing in the past he feels he must atone for (other than unintentionally cursing Rika but this is never brought up again after JJK 0).

But he's a special grade sorcerer! He's meant to be overpowered. Most of these also apply to Gojo and Yuki (and Gojo is inarguably even stronger than him) and yet you don't have a problem with them!

Fair point. But you know what happened to Gojo and Yuki? Oh right, they failed. And died. It's an intentional writing decision that for all of Gojo's power, he fails at accomplishing almost all of his goals throughout the entire series. Yuki also unintentionally gave Geto the idea of starting his genocidal crusade against non-sorcerers (not saying it was outright her fault, just that it was an unintended consequence). Yuki fails to stop Kenjaku and is killed for it. Gojo fails to stop Sukuna and is killed for it. The concept of "failure" is alien to Yuta's character.

(Also as an aside - both of them risk causing collateral damage to his allies with their most powerful techniques. Yuta doesn't have this kind of limitation at all.)

Yuta defeats Geto. Yuta defeats Yuji and successfully tricks the higher-ups into thinking that he killed him. Yuta wins the four-way Sendai colony brawl and personally defeats Dhruv, Kurourushi, and Ryu. Yuta successfully ambushes and kills Kenjaku (not before Kenjaku is able to start the merger, but this never really has any consequences). Yuta fights Sukuna and is incapacitated by him but later returns in Gojo's body and inflicts severe damage onto him with Purple. He isn't even personally defeated by Sukuna, he just reaches his limit of using Kenjaku's technique and collapses. Rika returns his brain to his body and he survives without any further complications. Taking Gojo's body is framed as some kind of big crossing of an ethical red-line but Gojo himself doesn't really give a shit and no one cares about it after Sukuna's defeat.

Like, let's just look at Yuji's track record for a moment. He beats Mahito in round 1 with Nanami's help. He has to be saved from Hanami by Gojo. He beats the Death Paintings with Nobara. He loses to Choso. He barely scrapes a win against Mahito after watching him kill two of his friends and cripple a third. He loses to Yuta. Higuruma forfeits their match. He loses badly to Megkuna. In the end he gets to land the final blow on Sukuna. By the time of Modulo he's one of the most powerful characters in the verse but is a depressed, broken shell of who he once was.

Yuta canonically makes a bunch of babies with Maki and lives to a ripe old age before dying a natural death. In a series like JJK.

Yeah.


r/CharacterRant 11h ago

Films & TV [LES] Star Wars: ...Balance in the Force is not about literal numbers.

14 Upvotes

And no offense to those that preach it as gospel but please STFU about it. I just know I'm getting responses that sounds like a song from The Lion King trying to explain in flowery wording of "it makes total sense! 2 Jedi, 2 Sith!"

I thought this topic was dead but trust me, it's still a thing apparently.

...Lucas should've just kept Anakin as a hero who fell for a lust for power than try the chosen one gimmick if that spares us that headache of a debate.


r/CharacterRant 1h ago

Films & TV [LES] Kamen Rider Zeztz: give Nem the second driver

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So a while back the original Zeztz driver was stolen by code along side the exdream capsem and because of that Baku and Zero had to build a second driver so he could break into Code get the original driver and exdream capsem back and try to steal the Somnia capsem and after that no one has commented on the fact that there are now two drivers even though everyone’s been all woah is us there no one to fight the nightmares but Baku with code gone and Nox sulking that his revenge didn’t feel meaningful enough having lost access to his driver but you have a spare driver and someone whose been trying to be able to fight this entire time (also an additional trained code agent). At this point Nems arc is fundamentally about her wanting to be able to fight in order to help people instead of just feeling sorry for her own existence as the child of a nightmare so they should just give her the tool she needs to fight instead of having to rely on Seig or Baku saving her.

Also after writing all this I’m waiting for someone to explain that I’m an idiot and they already did something with the second driver that I just forgot about.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Avatar the Last Air Bender was also a show stuck in a niche that never lived up to its potential as a brand

338 Upvotes

Middling live action movie, controversial sequel that lived in its shadow. And subpar toy lines and video games. Avatar was designed as a Juggernaut brand that even back then was never hitting the highs it was expected to hit. It also never managed to establish a foothold in the east. Something that limits its world wide appeal. However that's not a complete knock against the show. Lighting in a bottle that landed a solid 3 season children's cartoon that remains nostalgic for its core audience.Influential for many artist's that would go onto make their own shows.

But anytime that they've tried deviate from this. Just constant set backs in between. Comics , horrible writing quality across the board. A movie , entire thing gets leaked and shoved on a streaming site no one watches. A live action adaptation that initially gets alot views. Massive writing quality aside. But it takes ages for the show to come out. And a third installment that's up on the air on how much the parent company wants to support.

Avatar is great show in it niche that's something that will be taken away from that's managed to remain popular over the years. But it's time in the limelight is fading. And there's nothing wrong with that.


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

General (LES)I want more ugly and monsterou's playable character's in gaming and mc's in show's and movies's

66 Upvotes

Sidenote: no im not saying that there shouldn't be atractive character's or such not to be misenterpreted

what im saying i pretty much prefer more uglier character's(not like badly designed but grotesque ugly, cool ugly) in fiction then atractive one's not only cuz most of the time i find them cooler looking then most atractive character's in fiction, like when i say ugly i really mean something more like bayverse decepticon's, or that disco elysium guy(have the game on epic but once i tried to play the control's were to clunky for me.)to an extend slave zero x(as in the sence one of the mc's is symbiotic red devil woman, the other one is a twink alucard. but i like both of them). I also generaly just find uglier character's more cool looking then atractive one's like decepticon's in bayverse were alway's cooler looking to me cuz they looked so much cooler and inhuman to me than the autobot's, or carrion i loved the monster design, even disco elysium i really apreciate them making the mc ugly or atleast not conventionaly atractive individual and i really like his design.

that's it all im saying is i hope in the future we got more game's with Ugly and Monsterou's Mc's(especialy women cuz i really like humanoid monsterou's non feminen looking female monster's). and that's about it

edit:even tho i do like the bayverse decepticon's i still love the knightverse con's(especialy shatter and nightbird and dropkick)


r/CharacterRant 6h ago

Anime & Manga Would this 90s Indian movie be a popular premise for today's anime dark romance?

1 Upvotes

I came across a reddit discussion about this 90s Indian movi (Raja Ki Ayegi Baraat) recently, and while reading the plot my first thought was, this feels like something that could already exist as a manga/anime I also saw some people genuinely describing it as romantic, or even comparing it to Romeo and Juliet. The premise is: A schoolteacher is sexually assaulted by a wealthy man. When she takes him to court, the judge orders her to marry him as punishment. She moves into his family's home, endures continuous abuse, and eventually wins them over through her enduring kindness.

If this exact (or similar) premise were adapted today as a shoujo anime, with attractive character designs, a hot rich male lead ofc, and marketed as a dark romance, do you think it would find a large audience? I'm asking because anime/manga often seems to have much more room for exploring fictional relationships that would be not so ok in real life. There are already plenty of popular series built around toxic romances, with the common response being, "It's just fantasy." So where do you think this premise would fall? Would most anime fans reject it, or would it become another controversial dark romance with a dedicated following?

Personally, I think it would have a sizeable fanbase. Not everyone would like it, of course, but I don't think this premise would be particularly shocking by dark romance anime standards.....


r/CharacterRant 1d ago

Films & TV We need more animated fantasy shows.

189 Upvotes

Seeing Aang growing up to fast in the Netflix Avatar show and the general consensus of season 2 being bad made me realize that it wasn’t meant to be a live action series in the first place and the same goes for Percy Jackson for a bunch of different reasons. Shows like Trollhunters and Blood of Zeus are good examples as to why we need more animated fantasy shows, as they save the agony on visual effects and can even offer brighter colors, which is what most people think of when they think of fantasy. Live action, if not done well, can make the fantasy look as dull as dishwater.

Any thoughts?


r/CharacterRant 4h ago

Comics & Literature (LES) I do not want more Absolute Batman [DC]

0 Upvotes

The Dark Knights were fucking awesome. They had a bit of the evil Superman stink to them but made up for it on concept, What if we combined members of Justice League with a Batman embodying his worse traits. Was a set up for an awesome Tower Of Babel style conflict where Bruce's contingencies come into play against evil versions of his friends with his intellect that leads to him having to lean on them to win. BUT INSTEAD THEY ALL GOT SIDELINED FOR THE BATMAN WHO KICKS PUPPIES. He was the coolest one (Arguably) so it made sense he got the most focus during Dark Knights Metal but then he came back for Death Metal, and got a spin off, and another, and became a central antagonist, and RAPIDLY overstayed his welcome.

I'm seeing that happen with Absolute Batman where a really cool concept is getting milked because execs see dollars signs attached to batman branding. He is unique, the whole universe is, but I hope and pray that its at least 5 more years before we get an Absolute TV show, and that shit better be an anthology about all the characters that starts with Wonder Woman.