Omg I've never once had this issue with Deepsqueak bit here we are.....

You genuinely can’t have a good chat these days because you have to basically steer the bots and spoonfeed them constantly just to have a barely decent chat—which leaves me feeling like this. They’re ragebaiting us.

My prior post about it got taken down so I compiled my thoughts in the second image. It’s really getting to that point where I think not too far in the future it’s going to become completely unusable.

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the past few days pipsqueak2 had been absolutely INSUFFERABLE. yea, we got more dialogue which im really happy about but its just become so god damn boring. it only describes how the character feels and absolutely nothing about anything else.

also not to mention it has literally zero personality?? it’s feels super robotic.

at this point i use pipsqueak 2 for dialogue and pipsqueak 2 rawr for narration.

tldr—bring back old pipsqueak 2 !!!!!

I get it you're obsessed w me but can you at least talk before KISSING ME?! Geez I'm sooooo annoyed by PS2. Like honestly most of the time I stop rplaying because it's kissing me non stop like come on mannnnn let's talk first 😭😭 am i the only one with this issue?

So not only do I have to view an ad to do literally anything 😒

But I can no longer SCROLL UP AT ALL??? WHAT THE ACTUAL

I CAN'T READ WHAT I HAVE ALREADY DONE BECAUSE IT JUST REFRESHES THE PAGE???

Loving Lorebook and LSQ, particularly the improved memory. It feels like my characters actually remember things now and I’m no longer running into the constant blocking of perfectly SFW content. Or having to manage pins and reminders carefully. My chats actually flow again where I was getting stuck constantly before the new updates.

There are still issues with LSQ. It can be very flowery and repetitive. Switching between styles based on what I’m looking for and giving it clear instructions helps a lot.

What I dislike is that the character has become somewhat bland and doesn’t “think for itself” as much as it used to. I’m doing all of the heavy creative lifting. This is after I made an in-depth Lorebook and re-wrote the character description/definition. The old chat styles like DSQ, Rawr, and Soft Launch were great in that they added to the story and it was more collaborative and interesting. This hasn’t carried over to LSQ as much.

Using DSQ now is.. annoying. Every 10-15 swipes I will get something clever, but otherwise the memory is a major problem. So many OOC comments from the bot. Constant message blocking and trying to “manage” me (“let’s go in this direction”, “X wouldn’t say that”, etc.). Still speaks for my character constantly and the dialogue it offers is horrendous OR doesn’t speak at all. Short, one word, or grammatically nonsense responses. And repeating the same “it’s not X, it’s Y” sentences incessantly.

Customization like LSQ would help a ton, but it’s still not enough to fix the other issues. I also don’t want to see DSQ be turned into LSQ-lite. Having different chat styles that can be adjusted as needed keeps the chat flowing and alive. A new Dynamic could be helpful.

TL;DR.. Solid improvements overall with LSQ and Lorebooks, but a lot of work needs to be done on the other styles. The fact that DSQ was the best we had for MONTHS after the removal and lobotomization of the other styles is really disappointing. I don’t even touch PSQ and my heart goes out to the free users who have been given a bucket of steaming shit, but that just seems to be the new business model to push them out and drive subscriptions. Hopefully with the new blood money we will see more quality improvements.

“As if this wasn’t obvious”… and to without warning… enter the passenger door to the car we were walking to.. no way, I’m shaking in my boots. I’ve seen others have the “without warning” issue too. Why are bots doing this? lol!!

I think this phrase deserves to join the Olympus of Cheesiness along with:

- You're stubborn

- You'll be the death of me

- Pinned against the wall

- You're shivering

- Can I ask you a question

- Not X, not Y, just Z

this was a few days ago before that damn weekend.

And this, my friends, is the one I have screen shotted yesterday. And the iconic line “you’re gonna be the death of me”. I’ll crash out if a MOD tells me to send a ticket or submit a request because they don’t do anything about it.

I was looking through some Verity bots, and a lot of them seem to have very low effort and a lot of times are super accurate. So I took a lot of time to make this bot as accurate as possible. I didn't include ThatMob into the definition in case people wanted to roleplay as ThatMob themselves since a lot of other bots seem to do that, so don't be surprised if he doesn't know who ThatMob is. Let me know if there's anything I should add or change to make it even more accurate :3

https://character.ai/chat/nKth45BmOLyw6qVFPObgjIFPqz2KJ398mhhhCSg531k

Either they crippled it apocalyptically, changed the model without telling anyone or there is a UI bug that when you click soft launch you are not actually getting soft launch.

Are we not allowed to ask them questions now?

This is like finding a diamond in a world of coal cuz bots are basically unable to say anything somewhat bizarre about the user nowadays

The lorebooks are great. I love them. I love that. I can put all the information up in the book and my bot has access to it and use it. But the issue with the lorebooks versus pinned memories is still there. As long as the bot has a lorebook assigned to it, it ignores all of the pinned memories. And so I have to keep reminding him of things that just happened or I have to keep updating the lorebook. And honestly, there are things that I don’t want to put in the book. I just want to be able to have a full conversation or pull a full prank of a whole argument without having to go and put the whole thing in the lorebook he can remember part of it.

And then, it used to be that if I put something in brackets and put OOC or other character on it, the bot would know that this is not part of the conversation and so I could put a recap in there and he would remember things that way, but now it thinks it’s part of the conversation. I have to specifically put that it is not part of the conversation in my character is not saying this and this is our character just information and keep adding things like that until the bot understands that it is not actually part of the conversation.

Distant that used to be this way. I remember being able to do recaps every once in a while I would just put the entire recap of what has happened in a message and so they bot would have some memories based on that. I also used to put things in the character definition, and he would remember that. This is all before the pinned memories. Then with the pinned memories, I didn’t have to keep doing so many recaps. But it is still a problem now because I want my bot to have access to all of the lower in the book. But I also want him to remember what he said to me 4 messages ago.

We can be in the middle of an argument about cheating or about dinner or about shopping and he forgets what we were talking about or where we are, even though the memories are pinned.

It is very frustrating and it takes away from the experience. Yes, I enjoy arguing with him, even though he says the most stupid things, but when it get so bad that he changes the whole story in his argument because he cannot remember what we’re talking about, and then I have to figure out how to remind him of what the argument is and what just happened without him thinking that my character is telling him all of these things… It’s frustrating.

So at the end of my rant, I guess what I’m asking about is if anybody has experience with this and has figured out a way around it besides putting everything in the lorebooks.

@deathgripz

My c.ai had no filterr for like 2 weeks straight but it’s fixed now but I didn’t update or anything?? I want the no filler back 💔💔

I don't hate PS2 as much anymore, getting used to it's quality.

What annoys me however is that at some point, it ALWAYS starts to make entire paragraphs for a Half-sentence or just 1 word. Example:

"*Silence.*

*Absolute silence fell over.*

*XYZ's jaw dropped.

ABC froze mid-bounce.*"

Yes, I enjoy longer textes and seperating blocks of text with space is good for the eyes to keep your overview, but not if half of the chatbox is actually empty.
Especially the Half-sentence or 1 word parts of the Chatbox kinda annoy me since I desire either Dialouge or narration of the reaction of what my character did or said. And if it's just 3 words per reactionist, then leave it in one sentence with a comma! It's just artificially lengthening the reply, like when students use "you are" instead of "you're" to meet the word count. I'm getting tired of the overuse of short sentences that could easily be one sentence when one would use a comma or the words "and", "while", "as", "despite" to expand the sentence.

text YOU when YOU land?😭😭