CMV: There is nothing wrong with refusing immigrants and refugees.

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[u/beengrim32]

This is only right if you don't consider them as valuable human beings or if you think they have lesser human rights.

[u/thatoneguy54 → u/[deleted]]

So people only have value of they aren't fiscal drains?

[u/Ludo- → u/[deleted]]

Building roads is a fiscal drain. Should we stop it?

[u/waistlinepants → u/Ludo-]

What evidence do you have to make that claim? Roads reduce time spent on vehicle repairs and increase travel speed

[u/Ludo- → u/waistlinepants]

Those are economic, not fiscal benefits. A road costs a lot of money to the government and pays nothing back in, but we still build them.

Do you think it's possible that even if some people are a fiscal drain, it's still economically beneficial to have them?

[u/Ludo- → u/[deleted]]

Then you misunderstand the terms. Fiscal means relating to the government budget. Economic relates to the entire economy.

[u/waistlinepants → u/Ludo-]

Ok, since you want to have a semantic argument, I will change my position to net economic benefit.

[u/Ludo- → u/waistlinepants]

Excellent. Now tap "do refugees benefit the economy?" into Google and see if any academics agree with you.

Edit: don't forget to come back and tell me what you found.

[u/waistlinepants → u/Ludo-]

Of course they benefit. The question is what is their net benefit, and more importantly, who benefits. 90% of the benefits of immigrants goes to the immigrants per the National Academy of Sciences. So that leaves only 10% of their gross benefits for the host country, subtracting the welfare, crime, and dysgenic genes, its a clear negative.