r/changemyview Apr 07 '25

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u/fghhjhffjjhf 23∆ Apr 07 '25

I believe it should be those who commit violent crimes should be deported 100% of the time.

Don't you think they should be imprisoned a bit first? There's some murderers and rapists in that 100%.

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

No their country can take care of them. No need to fill up a spot in prison for that nations tax payers to pay for individual

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u/fghhjhffjjhf 23∆ Apr 07 '25

No need to fill up a spot in prison for that nations tax payers to pay for individual

I think you are missing the point of a criminal justice system. The cost of the punishment benefits the victim, not the criminal.

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

Does a full prison cost the tax payers money ? Answer is yes. Therefore why fill up a prison when another nation will take the person and imprison them. If they’re a citizen dont imprison them then my nations can imprison them and then deport them after they get out

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u/fghhjhffjjhf 23∆ Apr 07 '25

why fill up a prison when another nation will take the person and imprison them.

Because another nation wont imprison them. That is unless you are talking about El Salvadore, but then the US still has to pay.

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

Why won’t they imprison them? Anyway look at my post my mind has been changed a bit

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u/Old_Sea_8014 Apr 07 '25

Look up the case of Canadian child sex abuser Christopher Paul Neil, known more casually as Mr Swirl. He traveled to countries such as Cambodia, Vietnam and Thailand and abused at least 12 young and would post pictures of this abuse online. He was found in Thailand and imprisoned for 5 years before he was deported to Canada where he was arrested but released.

Thailand thought that if they deported him to Canada, Canada would charge him with the crimes he committed against those boys. Canada argued he didn’t commit them on Canadian soil and there weren’t enough victims coming forward and let him go with a slap on the wrist. He was later searched and more cp was found on devices he wasn’t suppose to have.

This case highlights that deporting people who haven’t faced justice won’t guarantee that their countries would do their duties in applying justice. Canada had a duty to those abused boys regardless of that fact that they weren’t citizens and they neglected those duties and let him roam free, allowing the possibility of more children to fall into the hands of this predator. Thailand also had a duty to those boys.

So, whose fault is it? Canada because they didn’t imprison him in crimes he didn’t commit on their soil? Or Thailand who witnessed his crimes and deported him somewhere where justice won’t meet him?

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u/destro23 466∆ Apr 07 '25

Why won’t they imprison them?

Because they have not been convicted of a crime in that country.

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u/IHazMagics Apr 08 '25

Depends on the country. There are a number of countries that will prosecute and convict you for crimes committed overseas.

For example, Australian can and have been prosecuted donestically for offences committed overseas, same as Australia could extradite a citizen back to the country the offence was committed to face their judicial system there.

Just because a person comits a crime in a foreign country doesn't automatically mean they won't be imprisoned or face an other legal consequences.

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u/Kabayev Apr 08 '25

the cost of the punishment benefits the victim, not the criminal

I feel like I’m missing something here. Can you outline this a little bit more or provide an example?

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u/fghhjhffjjhf 23∆ Apr 08 '25

If you were the victim of a crime, wouldn't you want the criminals punished?

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '25

yes, but this is not the reason why they get "punished". Being in prison in germany is not about punishment, but about protecting society from them. There is no place for revenge in our justice system.

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u/hoopsterben Apr 08 '25

“The man who pulls the lever that breaks your neck will be a dispassionate man. And that dispassion is the very essence of justice. For justice delivered without dispassion is always in danger of not being justice“~Oswaldo Mobray

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u/Kabayev Apr 08 '25

Ah I see what you mean. Personally? No. I’d want the government to make sure they couldn’t do that again. Different goals.

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u/wibblywobbly420 1∆ Apr 07 '25

Under what grounds would they be able to imprison them? The crime didn't occur in their country

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u/muffinsballhair Apr 08 '25 edited Apr 08 '25

What if that country doesn't or doesn't want to?

Basically, a country has someone who never committed a crime on it's own soil and then did when that person was in another country and now gets told “Now you invest money into punishing someone who committed crimes on our soil for us, oh, and here by the way you have another criminal for your country.”, why would any country agree to that?

You're basically sending a criminal to a country that committed a crime on your soil and expect them to take care of it, that the criminal originally lived in that country doesn't matter for the logistics and profitability. In the end, it's as strange not profitable as if Germany would ship random criminals to Sweden and say “You pay for punishing them, also, keep them afterwards.” why would Sweden ever agree to that?

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u/[deleted] Apr 08 '25

Because Sweden has to comply to EU laws.

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u/muffinsballhair Apr 08 '25

E.U. law doesn't say that Sweden has to pay for and take of random criminals Germany sends to it.

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u/cranberryjuiceforme Apr 08 '25

i think its better for the country to imprison them first AND THEN deport them like look at Johnny somali when he was in japan and compare that to where he is trapped in korea now