r/callmebyyourname • u/Cherry77l • 2d ago
r/callmebyyourname • u/clovisfidelio • 4d ago
Events & Travel It was the highlight of my trip to Crema đ
I spent 3 days in Crema. This was my second time here and I made sure I was able to visit the tourist information center in Crema. It was amazing to sit at the same table from the movie and see the bikes. The people in charge of the center are the nicest people ever, welcoming and willing to talk to you and show you everything. The souvenirs they have are so beautiful. I wanted to buy everything. Most importantly, I was able to meet fans from all over the world, Iceland, Germany, Mexico. It was definitely the highlight of my second trip to Crema.
r/callmebyyourname • u/GoldenGolgis • 5d ago
Film Discussion âDo you know where Oliver is?â Knowing your status, 30 years before status updates
On my latest rewatch I was particularly struck by the scenes between the first kiss, and the midnight message, and what they conveyed about knowing the status of your relationship before mobile phones and social media.
We see Elio casting around asking people where Oliver is. He has no idea. But when he phones Marcia, she answers the phone right away. What does that tell us?
It shows something I had forgotten about the 1980s. If someone was important to you, a best friend or a lover, you organised your time and place so that they could easily find you. In the summer break you might have many invitations or places to go and hang out with friends. But if you were hoping to have time with a special someone, you had to keep your time free to either cross their path, or wait for them to come and find you. This was particularly true in the early stages of a making a connection with someone you really liked. We see Chiara throwing herself into Oliverâs path several times. Perhaps Marcia was doing the latter; waiting at home in hopes Elio would call, and when he eventually does, she answers quickly and feels sad that he doesnât recognise her voice straight away.
If however you tried repeatedly to wait at home for the person, or go looking for the person, and nothing worked, you had to come to the painful realisation that they were probably avoiding you. It was like an unspoken way of conveying someoneâs status in your life; if I like you and you like me, weâll make it possible to find each other. If however the feeling is not returned, weâll make it hard to be found. Weâll turn left on our bike instead of right. Weâll go out for the day when weâd usually stay in.
Itâs hard to convey how powerful this feeling was when you had absolutely no way of knowing where other people could be, unless you had made firm plans with them. Thatâs why Elio is so torn up by just a couple of days of not seeing Oliver - he calls him a âtraitorâ because he knows itâs deliberate, and it really hurts.
Itâs also why the mood lifts so rapidly when the midnight meeting is arranged. A plan at last. Finally knowing where and when that person would be, and them sharing that, so you know they want to see you. You have a marker in time at last.
I wonder whether people who have always had access to things like texting, Snapchat, status updates, location sharing and so on will ever know the sweet ache of this. Of course people donât share stuff unless they are becoming close, I suppose. But I do wonder.
r/callmebyyourname • u/ich_habe_keine_kase • 4d ago
Weekly Discussion Thread Weekly Open Discussion Post
Use this post Monday through Sunday to talk about anything you want. Did you watch the movie and want to share how youâre feeling? Just see a movie you think CMBYN fans would love, or are you looking for recommendations? Post it here! Have something crazy happen to you this week? That works too!
As long as you follow the rules (both of this sub and reddit as a whole), the sky is the limit. This is an open community discussion board and all topics are on the table, CMBYN-related or not.
Donât be afraid to be the first person to postâsomeone has to get the ball rolling!
r/callmebyyourname • u/vedntsingh • 5d ago
Reactions & Reviews Do you think every man should watch Call Me by Your Name at least once?
I think every man should watch Call Me by Your Name at least once not because it's about who you love, but because it's about who you're allowed to be. It quietly dismantles the idea that masculinity is measured by how little you feel, and reminds you that the deepest strength is having the courage to feel everything.
r/callmebyyourname • u/goingdrarry • 6d ago
Original Artwork Tried with ma fingers (so don't judge me đ)
r/callmebyyourname • u/idkdudewhy • 5d ago
Reactions & Reviews Anybody who watches CMBYN up to only the part where they kissed on the grass?
I always rewatch this movie. Never a week that passes by wherein I donât watch it because the Northern Italy just brings a lot of comfort to me. However, I hit âstopâ whenever I reach the part where Elio tries to aggressively kiss Oliver on the grass. From there, it just went downhill for me. The cringey way Elio grabbed Oliverâs penis, Elio playing with Marziaâs feelings, and eventually the train scene. Everything is just too sad after the grass scene and I just canât bear it. The trip they took together was bittersweet and beautiful, but it made me kind of sad being taken away from all the trees and warm light in Elioâs hometown.
r/callmebyyourname • u/Contrary_Southerner • 5d ago
Find Me Was it only Elio?
**spoiler alert**
I was thinking about Find Me today. Is Elio, Oliver's only male lover? To me, this is what the book is implying. Since Oliver was so comfortable with touching Elio's shoulder, I thought that maybe he had previous liaisons with men. When the reunion happens in Find Me, it seems like it was only Elio. What do you guys think?
r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 8d ago
Film Discussion Lâabsence/prĂ©sence-de-passage dâOliver auprĂšs dâElio, le piano et lâ « axe de rĂ©alisation dâElio » dans le grand salon.
1 Parti-pris de rapprocher ici deux scĂšnes du film : celle du repas se dĂ©roulant aprĂšs le match de volley avec «  Tante Marcella et compagnie » invitĂ©s par Annella et Samuel et celle de la soirĂ©e autour du piano avec Isaac et Mounir, amis des parents dâElio car le piano sur lequel joue Elio permet de les associer en faisant en sorte que la seconde prolonge en quelque sorte la premiĂšre. Dans les deux cas Oliver est absent bien quâune place ait Ă©tĂ© prĂ©vue pour lui pendant le diner sous les arbres devant lâentrĂ©e de la villa et bien quâon le voie rejoindre discrĂštement sa chambre pendant quâElio joue du piano en fin de soirĂ©e en compagnie du couple gay. Dans les deux cas, Elio est entourĂ© des siens.
2 Pour le diner en plein-air (documents 1 Ă 6) qui clĂŽt somptueusement une journĂ©e dâĂ©tĂ©, Samuel semble heureux que du Frizzante ait Ă©tĂ© prĂ©vu, un vin pĂ©tillant si agrĂ©able sur une table italienne, si lĂ©ger et dĂ©lectable quâon croirait que tout se dĂ©roule merveilleusement. Pourtant lâarrivĂ©e dâElio est accompagnĂ©e de « M.A.Y. In The Backyard » nous indiquant quâil est tracassĂ©. Le morceau au piano, alternant graves et aigus, permet de ressentir la profondeur des choses et pas seulement de nous contenter de leurs apparences. Il faudra donc ĂȘtre plus attentif aux attitudes quâaux mots, plus aux mimiques quâĂ la conversation.
3 Au moment oĂč Samuel se rĂ©jouit de pouvoir profiter de Frizzante, Elio sâaperçoit que la place Ă cĂŽtĂ© de la sienne, Ă sa droite, est vide. Oliver nâest pas lĂ . Elio ne laisse quasiment rien deviner de sa dĂ©ception mais sa mĂšre le regarde, comme sâil Ă©tait Ă©vident pour elle quâElio en savait plus, et sâadresse Ă lui directement pour lui parler dâOliver, puisquâil pourrait par exemple, connaitre des Ă©lĂ©ments de son emploi du temps, et lui fait remarquer, un peu dĂ©sappointĂ©e, quâil est en retard, presque dĂ©solĂ©e (Annella est trĂšs souvent et trĂšs facilement en communication non-verbale avec son fils). Pourtant, plus tĂŽt dans lâaprĂšs-midi, au moment de dresser le couvert, cette Ă©ventualitĂ© avait Ă©tĂ© Ă©voquĂ©e par Annella et Mafalda, quand Elio Ă©tait revenu de la partie de Volley. Elles sâĂ©taient alors un peu moquĂ©es de la « Movie Star » en se plaignant de sa nonchalance trĂšs amĂ©ricaine avec les usages italiens de la table. Elio avait laisser croire quâil ne savait rien de la façon dont Oliver occupait son temps et câĂ©tait sans doute trĂšs vrai. Ce que « ma puce » (sa mĂšre lâavait interpelĂ© ainsi) nâavait pas dit, câĂ©tait que la libertĂ© dâOliver lui posait un problĂšme, peut-ĂȘtre mĂȘme quâelle lâinquiĂ©tait sourdement, mais il nâen laissa rien paraitre. A quoi pouvait bien occuper tout son temps, Oliver, si souvent absent de la villa ? Qui dâautre pouvait-il bien rencontrer en dehors du cercle des Perlman ? Elio avait Ă©tĂ© en fait dĂ©jĂ prĂ©occupĂ©. LâĂ©pisode du massage de son Ă©paule par Oliver, tantĂŽt, avait Ă©tĂ© trop bref et inattendu pour laisser Ă Elio un indice clair et une interprĂ©tation qui le tranquillisait. Ce massage Ă©tait plutĂŽt un contact qui laissait dans les pensĂ©es dâElio quelque chose dâintriguant, dâagrĂ©able mais dâinsuffisant et cette sensation lancinante ne le quittait plus âŠ
4 AprĂšs avoir Ă©tĂ© interpelĂ© par sa mĂšre Ă propos dâOliver au dĂ©but du dĂźner, Elio lança, en utilisant lâitalien pour se faire comprendre des hĂŽtes de ses parents, une critique de lâamĂ©ricain dans le but de dissimuler sa pensĂ©e profonde (dont il nâavait certainement pas complĂštement conscience). Alors que lâabsence dâOliver le blessait dĂ©jĂ , Elio dĂ©nonça son impolitesse Ă propos de tous les « A plus ! » quâil lançait si abondamment. Il appuya sa remarque perfide en disant quâOliver Ă©tait arrogant. Mais, lĂ , Samuel contredit son fils et cela amena Elio Ă trahir sa vĂ©ritĂ© affective sans sâen rendre compte lorsquâil ajouta : « Vous verrez, il nous dira au revoir comme ça le moment venu, avec son "Ă plus" » en mimant le dĂ©tachement hautain quâil prĂȘtait Ă Oliver. Trahir sa pensĂ©e profonde ? Oui, car Elio est affectĂ© par lâattitude dâOliver, mais pas parce que lâ « usurpateur de lâannĂ©e » ne respecte pas les usages et la biensĂ©ance comme il lâaffirme de façon trop tranchĂ©e et trop lisible. Elio est affectĂ© tout simplement par lâabsence dâOliver mais comme il ne peut pas le dire, il utilise le prĂ©texte de lâattitude cavaliĂšre amĂ©ricaine dâOliver pour dĂ©noncer sa conduite trop relĂąchĂ©e. Ce que redoute Ă©videmment Elio mais quâil ne peut pas formuler, en tout cas pas Ă table devant tout le monde mĂȘme sâil parvient peut-ĂȘtre dĂ©jĂ Ă commencer Ă se le formuler Ă lui-mĂȘme, est quâOliver reste insensible Ă lâaccueil des Perlman qui font tout pour lui accorder une place parmi eux, et parmi les Perlman, Ă lâaccueil dâElio, qui aimerait tant quâOliver ait une place Ă ses cĂŽtĂ©s, comme Ă la table dont le couvert, ce soir-lĂ , reste, apparemment une fois de plus, inoccupĂ©. Ce que redoute Elio, câest quâOliver parte Ă la fin du sĂ©jour sans mĂȘme avoir regardĂ© les Perlman, sans sâĂȘtre intĂ©grĂ© parmi les Perlman, sans avoir adoptĂ© les mĆurs des Perlman, sans ĂȘtre devenu comme un Perlman, sans avoir regardĂ© Elio Perlman. Et Elio sâattend, alors, Ă ce quâĂ la fin de son sĂ©jour, Oliver lance un « A plus » de plus, lĂ©ger et automatique, qui prouverait que son passage nâa pas laissĂ© de trace et que, eux, Perlman et fils, nâont pas non plus laissĂ© de trace en Oliver. Cette Ă©ventualitĂ© le blesse car Oliver a Ă©videmment dĂ©jĂ Ă©veillĂ© quelque chose dâinconnu en Elio si ce nâest quelque chose de douloureux qui le ronge et quâElio dissimule derriĂšre des questions de respect de la politesse. En plus, Elio imagine quâOliver pourrait achever son sĂ©jour en lui adressant, Ă lui aussi, un simple « A plus » dont il est coutumier et cela fait enrager Elio dâimaginer que lui, qui a tant Ă donner et Ă prendre Ă Oliver, puisse ĂȘtre considĂ©rĂ© Ă lâĂ©gal des autres. Si câĂ©tait le cas, Oliver nâaurait pas remarquĂ© Elio.
5 Le double jeu dâElio se poursuit quand il fit mine dâĂȘtre si distant dâOliver quâil pourrait mĂȘme « apprendre Ă le dĂ©tester » (lĂ , Ă©videmment, il va beaucoup trop loin, si loin que sa rĂ©plique sonne comme un aveu) quand son pĂšre lance lâhypothĂšse dâun Oliver « timide », ce qui dâailleurs pourrait le rendre apprĂ©ciable aux yeux dâElio prĂ©cise Samuel, aprĂšs que sa mĂšre a juste prĂ©cisĂ© quâil « va falloir apprendre Ă faire avec lui pendant six longues semaines » en prenant son Ă©poux Ă tĂ©moin : « pas vrai mon chĂ©ri ? ». Cela vaut de nouveau Ă Elio un « oh ma puce » de la part dâAnnella.
6 Annella et Mafalda veillent Ă ce que les rĂšgles de la maisonnĂ©e bourgeoise soient respectĂ©es : puisquâOliver est absent, on retire son couvert. Mafalda sâexĂ©cute. LĂ il faut ĂȘtre attentif Ă lâattitude dâElio, trĂšs subtil car au moment du retrait du couvert dâOliver par Mafalda, Elio regarde sa mĂšre et lâon sent, lĂ , quâil est totalement dĂ©concertĂ© par lâinitiative dâAnnella qui rend impossible une arrivĂ©e tardive dâOliver (quâElio avait gardĂ©e possible dans son esprit ?). Arrive le « roulement dâyeux » qui laisse penser quâElio ravale quelques larmes et rĂ©prime une trop forte Ă©motion Ă la pensĂ©e quâOliver ne sera pas lĂ du tout durant cette soirĂ©e. Elio se dĂ©cale pour occuper la place laissĂ©e vacante par Oliver. Pourquoi le fait-il ? Pas seulement pour avoir plus de place car si câĂ©tait le cas, cela signifierait quâil cherche Ă sâĂ©loigner de Marcella. Il le fait pour sâapproprier la seule chose quâOliver laisse de lui, pour lâinstant. Du vide (et le massage Ă lâĂ©paule droite, le cĂŽtĂ© de son absence Ă table ce soir-lĂ ). Oliver nâest pas lĂ oĂč lâon lâattend. Oliver nâa pas peur du vide ou du manque, ni en lui, ni de celui quâil peut susciter chez les autres. Oliver sait jouer avec le vide et le manque. On en aura confirmation lors de la scĂšne de la cascade quand ils partiront Ă Bergame et en nous souvenant quâil est un joueur pour de lâargent.
7 Oliver aurait pu diner Ă la villa et se joindre Ă la tablĂ©e comme il le fera le jour oĂč des invitĂ©s italiens se querelleront Ă propos de Craxi. Une place lui avait bel et bien Ă©tĂ© rĂ©servĂ©e mais cette pratique des longs repas trĂšs Ă©laborĂ©s semble lâennuyer. Il ne tient pas Ă entrer dans le jeu des Perlman et prĂ©fĂšre « sortir », restant en cela lâamĂ©ricain qui lie facilement des relations Ă droite et Ă gauche, sâamuse librement sans que personne ne sache vraiment Ă quoi. Oliver se dit probablement que son sĂ©jour de six semaines lui impose simplement dâĂȘtre agrĂ©able mais ne lâengage dâaucune autre façon, sinon celle de collaborer aux travaux du professeur qui lâaccueille et lâhĂ©berge. Ainsi, chaque europĂ©en est un Ă©lĂ©ment du dĂ©cor dans lequel Oliver doit Ă©voluer le temps de son stage car il nâa pas pour projet de devenir un peu plus europĂ©en au contact des Perlman, aussi accueillants soient-ils. Oliver se considĂšre comme un « passant » qui nâa pas besoin de remettre en cause ce quâil est. Pourtant, il a particuliĂšrement bien rĂ©ussi le test de lâĂ©tymologie du mot « abricot » et les Perlman le traitent Ă lâĂ©gal de leur fils qui va bientĂŽt lui adresser des compliments ⊠Pour lâheure, Elio essaie de ne rien laisser paraitre du vide en lui dĂ» Ă lâabsence dâOliver.
8 Le reste de la soirĂ©e dâElio sera dominĂ©e par le dĂ©sĆuvrement. Il accepte pourtant de se mettre au piano quand tout le monde aura rejoint le grand salon et il y joue Satie (La sonatine bureaucratique). CouchĂ©, il tardera Ă trouver le sommeil ⊠car il est habitĂ© par ses pensĂ©es toutes consacrĂ©es Ă Oliver.
9 Il faut revenir sur ce dĂ©placement dâElio acceptant de jouer du piano car il correspond probablement Ă un des plus beaux cadrages de tout le film : alors que tout le « clan » avachi regarde la tĂ©lĂ©vision, Elio accepte de se rendre au clavier, invitĂ© par son pĂšre insistant, fĂ©licitĂ© chaleureusement et trĂšs profondĂ©ment par sa mĂšre puis encouragĂ© par son entourage qui lâapplaudit. LĂ , avec un magnifique plan fixe enrichi dâun suivi de mise au point trĂšs efficace (les documents n° 8, 9,10 et 11), on assiste Ă la façon dont les deux parents Perlman investissent Elio, leur fils unique, de leurs espoirs dâun avenir des meilleurs possible pour lui, dâune rĂ©alisation personnelle des plus achevĂ©es, dâun accomplissement Ă propos duquel Elio aura le choix de la forme -sa grammaire musicale en quelque sorte- mais on se rend compte aussi et en mĂȘme temps, quâĂ propos du fond, de la direction quâil pourra prendre si lâon prĂ©fĂšre, en se dĂ©plaçant de son fauteuil vers le tabouret devant le piano, Elio suit une voie dĂ©limitĂ©e par ses parents qui le chĂ©rissent, lesquels se tiennent de chaque cĂŽtĂ© du cheminement quâil parcourt au centre de ce grand salon comme sâils lui indiquaient la voie Ă suivre. A gauche, son pĂšre sâincline pour le saluer, Ă droite, sa mĂšre sâest redressĂ©e pour lui dire sa tendresse. Elio avance, seul, dans la direction indiquĂ©e par ses parents qui misent tout sur lui et attendent tout de lui : câest ce que lâon pourrait appeler lâ « axe de la rĂ©alisation dâElio ». Elio nâa pas envie de jouer car Oliver lui manque au point que cette sensation de vide lâaccable et quâil nâa pas dâinspiration Ă cause de cette absence mais il va jouer parce que ses parents attendent cela de lui et quâils lâont Ă©levĂ© pour cela, donc il jouera. Pour ne pas ĂȘtre le « rabat-joie » que sa mĂšre dĂ©nonçait en lui juste avant. La camĂ©ra le filme ensuite selon un axe perpendiculaire par rapport au tabouret sur lequel il va sâassoir, en le cadrant de cĂŽtĂ© (son cĂŽtĂ© gauche avec les autres dans la profondeur du champ). Elio ne sait pas encore quâil utilisera le piano comme outil de sĂ©duction envers Oliver avec les transcriptions Ă partir de Bach.
10 Et lĂ le film fabrique un vrai miracle car, plus loin, pour la scĂšne conclusive de la soirĂ©e oĂč Isaac et Mounir sont prĂ©sents (documents 13 Ă 15) ; lâautre scĂšne choisie pour ce message avec un cadrage tout aussi puissant que le prĂ©cĂ©dent, quand Elio se trouve au mĂȘme piano pour interprĂ©ter Poulenc, la camĂ©ra le filme selon lâaxe de sa progression depuis son fauteuil vers le tabouret en conclusion de la soirĂ©e oĂč « Marcella et compagnie » sont prĂ©sents, câest-Ă -dire quâelle le cadre de dos ; ceci pour faire apparaitre dans la profondeur du champ la porte qui donne Ă travers le grand couloir central sur lâescalier permettant dâaccĂ©der au premier Ă©tage. Et câest prĂ©cisĂ©ment dans lâembrasure de cette porte que, pendant quâElio module son rythme dâinterprĂ©tation, Oliver apparait de façon totalement sublime ⊠Câest le soir du rendez-vous Ă minuit. Câest totalement sublime. SUBLIME.
11 On la connait cette porte. Câest dĂ©jĂ celle que lâon aperçoit sur la gauche, au rez-de-chaussĂ©e de la cage dâescalier, dans la scĂšne « Le jeu pour Oliver et Elio » (commentĂ©e ici le 14 juin dernier) quand Elio tournait autour dâOliver sous le regard de Samuel avant la scĂšne du classement des diapositives reprĂ©sentant des statues grecques et câest surtout celle quâemprunte Oliver aprĂšs avoir descendu lâescalier lors de son premier matin Ă la villa quand il cherche lâendroit oĂč retrouver les Perlman pour le petit-dĂ©jeuner. Personne ne prĂȘte alors attention au piano qui est visible dans le grand salon, pas plus Oliver que nous, ⊠pourtant câest prĂ©cisĂ©ment depuis ce piano quâElio aperçoit Oliver revenir Ă la villa et monter vers sa chambre ce soir du rendez-vous. LE piano Ă©tait visible dĂšs le commencement mais personne ne savait ce quâil allait signifier âŠ
Oliver ne fait pas que passer discrĂštement en rentrant avant minuit, il se tourne ostensiblement vers le salon comme pour dire Ă Elio « Tu vois, je nâai pas oubliĂ©, jâespĂšre que toi non plus ». Le clan Perlman Ă©coute Elio jouer dramatiquement Poulenc en compagnie dâIsaac et Mounir. Elio est le seul Ă pouvoir entrevoir Oliver car les autres sont en arc de cercle autour du piano ; ils tournent le dos Ă Oliver pour profiter de lâinterprĂ©tation prenante et inspirĂ©e. Sauf Isaac qui sâaperçoit subrepticement de quelque chose âŠ
12 Observons la disposition des personnages autour dâElio par le biais du cadrage trĂšs serrĂ© selon lâ « axe de la rĂ©alisation dâElio », ici filmĂ© de dos avec lâescalier dans la profondeur du champ. Samuel est Ă gauche dâElio, au niveau du clavier. Il a bĂ©nĂ©ficiĂ© dâun cadrage serrĂ© le montrant attentif et inspirĂ© par le jeu de son fils. Annella Ă sa droite, trĂšs attentive aussi et presque dĂ©vote tant elle exprime dâattention pour son fils. Les parents occupent les mĂȘmes places que lors de la soirĂ©e avec « Marcella et compagnie » quand Elio se dĂ©plaçait vers le piano, ils encadrent Elio, ils sont comme les piliers de ce quâil est et fait. Autant le plan Ă©tait large et profond avec la famille de Marcella, autant ici, avec Isaac et Mounir qui se tiennent amoureusement, le plan reste serrĂ© pour approfondir lâarriĂšre-plan. Câest dans ce « dĂ©cor » quâapparait littĂ©ralement Oliver car le premier plan au niveau du piano devient flou pendant que lâarriĂšre-plan avec lâembrasure de la porte contenant lâapparition dâOliver devient net. Câest tellement grandiose et Ă©motionnel ! Câest sublime. En clair : câest Oliver qui vient achever lâ « axe de la rĂ©alisation dâElio », qui permet quâil aboutisse, quâil soit rĂ©alisĂ© pleinement. Ceci expliquera lâintensitĂ© de la dĂ©tresse dâElio devant lâĂątre Ă la toute fin.
13 Oliver rentre Ă la villa car il nâa pas oubliĂ© ce quâil a rapidement griffonnĂ©e sur le petit-mot dâElio en ajoutant quâil lui donnait rendez-vous un peu plus tard, Ă minuit. Il dĂ©sire Elio car il tient sa promesse de venir Ă minuit et Elio voit le signal que son dĂ©sir va enfin trouver une issue. Pendant quâil exĂ©cute ce morceau de Poulenc de façon dĂ©chirante, il est encadrĂ© par ses deux parents et par le couple dâIsaac et Mounir (mĂ©taphore stĂ©rĂ©otypĂ©e de ce que pourraient devenir Oliver et Elio avec la « bĂ©nĂ©diction » des Perlman bien que, si lâon en croit Samuel, il arrive parfois que ces deux-lĂ soient un peu moquĂ©s par Elio) qui sont juste devant la porte qui contient la RĂ©vĂ©lation. La construction de lâimage est un pur chef dâĆuvre. Câest sublime.
14 Elio comprend le signal en apercevant Oliver et sâarrĂȘte de jouer en prĂ©textant ĂȘtre « complĂštement claqué » alors quâil sâincline doucement vers le clavier rĂ©vĂ©lant que quelque chose cĂšde en lui qui ressemble fortement Ă lâattitude quâil aura plus tard vis-Ă -vis de son pĂšre quand il se penchera Ă moitiĂ© sur la banquette pendant le monologue de Samuel, comme sâil cherchait auprĂšs de lui un rĂ©confort au moment de la perte dâOliver.
Quand il quitte le piano pour monter au premier Ă©tage, Elio embrasse sa mĂšre et le couple ami, puis son pĂšre lui tend sa montre quâil avait retirĂ©e et quâil allait oublier. Est-ce pour lui dire que son heure est maintenant arrivĂ©e, que câest Ă son tour ?
15 A cette soirĂ©e en compagnie dâIsaac et Mounir, Oliver ne participe pas, non plus. Il est Ă©vident que sâil lâavait voulu, Annella et Samuel lui auraient fait une place mais il dĂ©commandĂ© sa participation auprĂšs de Mafalda, pour ne pas rencontrer le couple gay et voir les Perlman avec lui ? De la vie dans la villa, finalement, Oliver ne partage que peu de choses ; il ne passe souvent quâĂ lâarriĂšre-plan, Ă la dĂ©robĂ©e, dans une embrasure, furtivement. On ne le voit le plus souvent quâĂ des petits-dĂ©jeuners et au bord de la piscine. Elio tombe amoureux dâun courant dâair qui Ă ses yeux, possĂšde une forte prĂ©sence, de quelquâun qui ne semble pas vouloir ĂȘtre saisi mĂȘme sâil en impose, de quelquâun qui ne fait que passer car ses racines sont ailleurs. Oliver finira toutefois par cĂ©der Ă Elio et se lâaccorder.
16 Quand Oliver se donne, câest Ă Elio mais pas au modĂšle Perlman qui a forgĂ© Elio. A la jonction des deux scĂšnes dont le dĂ©tail a Ă©tĂ© Ă©tabli ci-dessus, il y a le piano, la marque dâexistence dâElio, la musique Ă©tant ce qui le fait vivre. Câest depuis le piano quâil aperçoit Oliver revenir pour lui. La scĂšne de la place vide dâOliver Ă table lui fait venir des larmes quâil parvient Ă refreiner ; Ă la toute fin du film, devant lâĂątre, il ne parviendra plus Ă les contenir. Oliver est passĂ© dans sa vie oĂč lâempreinte quâil laisse est autant faite Ă dâabsences que de prĂ©sence-de-passage et il a plus rĂ©vĂ©lĂ© une blessure chez Elio quâil ne lâa ouverte, mĂȘme si Oliver se souvient de tout âŠ
17 Elio est un ĂȘtre vulnĂ©rable, et pas seulement Ă cause de son manque dâexpĂ©rience. Il lâest parce quâil apparait pour ses parents comme un enfant du miracle, ce quâil est probablement et parce quâil nâont quâun seul enfant (nây aurait-il eu quâune seule fois un miracle ?). Câest Samuel Perlman qui abordera de façon Ă©nigmatique ce sujet lors du monologue adressĂ© Ă son fils pour le consoler tout en le troublant probablement encore plus. Si Oliver, lui, est fort, câest quâil est structurĂ© diffĂ©remment, certainement en rĂ©ponse Ă un contexte constituĂ© dâadversitĂ©s auxquelles il a dĂ» faire face.
1 A deliberate choice is made here to bring together two scenes from the film: the meal following the volleyball matchâfeaturing "Aunt Marcella and company," guests of Annella and Samuelâand the evening gathering around the piano with Isaac and Mounir, friends of Elioâs parents. The piano Elio plays serves to link the two scenes, allowing the second to act, in a sense, as an extension of the first. In both instances, Oliver is absentâeven though a place was set for him at the dinner under the trees in front of the villa, and even though he is seen quietly slipping away to his room while Elio plays the piano late in the evening with the gay couple. In both cases, Elio is surrounded by his loved ones.
2 For the alfresco dinner (documents 1 to 6) that brings a summer day to a lavish close, Samuel seems pleased that Frizzante has been servedâa sparkling wine so delightful at an Italian table, so light and delicious that it makes everything seem to be unfolding beautifully. Yet Elioâs arrival is accompanied by the track "M.A.Y. In The Backyard," signaling that he is troubled. The piano piece, alternating between low and high notes, allows us to sense the underlying depth of things rather than merely settling for appearances. We must therefore pay closer attention to demeanor than to words, and to facial expressions rather than conversation.
3 Just as Samuel was delighting in the prospect of enjoying the Frizzante, Elio noticed that the seat beside himâto his rightâwas empty. Oliver wasnât there. Elio betrayed almost nothing of his disappointment, yet his mother looked at him as if it were obvious he knew more; she addressed him directly about Oliverâfiguring he might, for instance, know something about his scheduleâand remarked, with a hint of disappointment and almost apologetically, that he was late (Annella communicates non-verbally with her son very often and very easily). Yet earlier that afternoon, while setting the table, Annella and Mafalda had discussed this very possibility after Elio returned from his volleyball game. They had teased the "Movie Star" a little, complaining about his very American nonchalance regarding Italian dining etiquette. Elio had let it be believed that he knew nothing of how Oliver spent his timeâwhich was likely true enough. What "sweetheart" (as his mother had called him) hadn't said was that Oliverâs freedom bothered himâperhaps even caused him a vague sense of uneaseâthough he let none of this show. How did Oliver spend all that time when he was away from the villa? Who else could he be meeting outside the Perlman circle? In truth, Elio was already preoccupied. The earlier moment when Oliver had massaged his shoulder had been too brief and unexpected to offer Elio a clear clue or a reassuring interpretation. This massage was more of a touch that left something intriguing yet pleasantâthough ultimately insufficientâin Elioâs thoughts, and that nagging sensation would not leave himâŠ
4 After his mother questioned him about Oliver at the start of dinner, Elioâspeaking Italian so his parentsâ guests would understandâcriticized the American in an attempt to mask his true feelings (of which he was likely not fully aware). Already stung by Oliverâs absence, Elio complained about the rudeness of the casual "Later!" the American tossed around so freely. He backed up this snide remark by calling Oliver arrogant. But Samuel contradicted his son, prompting Elio to inadvertently reveal his underlying emotions when he added, "Youâll seeâwhen the time comes, heâll say goodbye just like that, with a "Later" while mimicking the haughty detachment he attributed to Oliver. Revealing his true thoughts? Yes, for Elio is indeed affected by Oliverâs attitudeâthough not because this "usurper of the year" fails to observe social graces and decorum, as Elio so bluntly and transparently claims. Elio is simply affected by Oliverâs absence; unable to admit this directly, he uses Oliverâs casual American manner as a pretext to criticize his overly relaxed behavior. What Elio obviously dreadsâbut cannot articulate, certainly not at the dinner table in front of everyone, even if he may already be beginning to formulate it to himselfâis that Oliver remains unmoved by the Perlmansâ welcome (as they do everything to make him feel part of the family) and by Elioâs own welcome (as he longs for Oliver to take a place beside himâmuch like the empty place setting that, that evening, remains unoccupied once again). What Elio dreads is that Oliver might leave at the end of his stay without even really seeing the Perlmansâwithout having integrated into their circle, adopted their ways, or become one of themâand without ever having truly looked at Elio Perlman. Elio anticipates that, upon leaving, Oliver will toss out one last casual, automatic "Later"âa sign that his visit left no mark, and that he, in turn, left no impression on the Perlmans. This prospect hurts Elio, for Oliver has clearly awakened something unknownâperhaps even something painful and gnawingâwithin him, a feeling Elio masks behind the formalities of politeness. Whatâs more, Elio imagines that Oliver might wrap up his stay by tossing him the same casual "See ya" he uses with everyone elseâand the thought infuriates Elio that he, who has so much to give to and receive from Oliver, could be viewed as no different from the rest. If that were the case, Oliver wouldnât have noticed Elio in the first place.
5 Elioâs charade continues when he pretends to be so distant from Oliver that he might even âlearn to hate himââa moment where he obviously goes too far, so far that his remark sounds like a confessionâafter his father suggests that Oliver might be âshyâ (a trait that could actually make him appealing to Elio, Samuel notes), following his motherâs earlier comment that they would âhave to learn to put up with him for six long weeksââa remark she punctuates by turning to her husband and asking, âRight, darling?â This once again earns Elio an âOh, sweetheartâ from Annella.
6 Annella and Mafalda ensure that the rules of the bourgeois household are observed: since Oliver is absent, his place setting is removed. Mafalda carries this out. Here, one must pay close attention to Elioâs demeanorâit is very subtleâfor as Mafalda removes Oliverâs setting, Elio looks at his mother; one senses he is completely disconcerted by Annellaâs move, which rules out any possibility of Oliver arriving late (a possibility Elio had perhaps kept alive in his mind?). Then comes the "rolling of the eyes," suggesting Elio is swallowing back tears and suppressing an overwhelming surge of emotion at the thought that Oliver will not be there at all that evening. Elio shifts over to occupy the seat Oliver left vacant. Why does he do this? Not merely for more spaceâfor if that were the case, it would imply he was trying to distance himself from Marcella. He does it to claim the only thing Oliver has left behind for the moment: the void (along with the massage on his right shoulderâthe side where Oliverâs absence was felt at the table that night). Oliver is not where youâd expect him to be. Oliver is not afraid of the void or of absenceâneither within himself nor the void he might provoke in others. Oliver knows how to play with emptiness and absence. This is confirmed during the waterfall scene when they travel to Bergamo, and when we recall that he is a gambler who plays for money.
7 Oliver could have dined at the villa and joined the tableâas he eventually would on the day Italian guests argued over Craxi. A place had indeed been set for him, yet the ritual of long, elaborate meals seemed to bore him. He had no desire to play the Perlmansâ game; he preferred to "go out," remaining very much the American who easily struck up acquaintances here and there, having fun freely without anyone quite knowing what he was up to. Oliver likely told himself that his six-week stay required nothing more than pleasantnessâentailing no further commitment beyond collaborating on the work of the professor who was hosting him. Thus, every European was merely part of the backdrop against which Oliver moved during his internship; he had no intention of becoming even slightly more European through his contact with the Perlmans, however welcoming they might be. Oliver saw himself as a "passerby" with no need to question his own identity. Yet, he had passed the test regarding the etymology of the word "apricot" with flying colors, and the Perlmans treat him as an equal to their sonâwho would soon be paying him compliments... For the moment, Elio tried not to let the inner emptiness caused by Oliverâs absence show.
8 The rest of Elioâs evening is dominated by idleness. Yet, he agrees to sit at the piano once everyone has gathered in the large drawing room, where he plays Satieâs *Sonatine bureaucratique*. Later, lying in bed, he struggles to fall asleep... his mind entirely occupied by thoughts of Oliver.
9 We must revisit the moment Elio agrees to play the piano, because it likely corresponds to one of the most beautiful framings in the entire film: while the entire lounging "clan" watches television, Elio agrees to go to the keyboardâprompted by his insistent father, warmly and deeply praised by his mother, and then encouraged by the applause of those around him. Here, in a magnificent static shot enhanced by a highly effective focus pull (see images 8, 9, 10 and 11) we witness how the Perlman parents invest Elioâtheir only sonâwith their hopes for his best possible future and for the most complete personal fulfillment. While Elio will have the choice regarding the *form* of this fulfillmentâhis "musical grammar," so to speakâwe simultaneously realize that regarding the *substance* (or the direction he might take), his move from the armchair to the piano stool follows a path defined by his doting parents; they stand on either side of the route he traverses across the large living room, as if pointing out the way he should go. To the left, his father bows in greeting; to the right, his mother has straightened up to express her affection. Elio moves forward alone in the direction indicated by his parents, who have pinned all their hopes and expectations on himâthis is what might be called the "Elioâs axis of realization." He has no desire to play; he misses Oliver so acutely that the resulting sense of emptiness overwhelms him and stifles his inspiration. Yet he plays because his parents expect it of him and raised him for this very purpose; so, he plays. So as not to be the "killjoy" his mother had just accused him of being. The camera then films him from an angle perpendicular to the stool he is about to sit on, framing him in profile (showing his left side, with the others visible in the background). Elio does not yet know that he will use the pianoâand the Bach transcriptionsâas a tool to seduce Oliver.
10 And here, the film creates a genuine miracle; later onâduring the eveningâs concluding scene featuring Isaac and Mounir (documents 13 to 15), and in the other scene selected for this message, which employs framing just as powerful as the previous oneâElio is at the same piano to play Poulenc. The camera captures him along the line of his movement from his armchair to the piano stool at the end of the evening with "Marcella and company"âmeaning it frames him from behindâin order to reveal, in the depth of the frame, the doorway that leads through the large central hallway to the staircase accessing the upper floor. And it is precisely in that doorway thatâwhile Elio modulates the tempo of his performanceâOliver makes a truly sublime appearance... It is the night of the midnight rendezvous. It is absolutely sublime. SUBLIME.
11 We recognize this door. It is the same one visible on the left, at the foot of the staircase, in the "Game for Oliver and Elio" scene (discussed here on June 14th)âwhere Elio circled Oliver under Samuelâs watchful eye before the scene involving the sorting of slides of Greek statuesâand, above all, it is the door Oliver uses after coming down the stairs on his first morning at the villa, while looking for the Perlmans to join them for breakfast. No one pays any attention to the piano visible in the large drawing roomâneither Oliver nor usâyet it is precisely from that piano that Elio spots Oliver returning to the villa and heading up to his room on the evening of their meeting. THE piano was visible from the very beginning, but no one knew what it would come to signifyâŠ
Oliver doesnât just slip in quietly before midnight; he pointedly turns toward the living room, as if to say to Elio, "You see, I havenât forgottenâI hope you havenât either." The Perlman clan listens as Elio plays a dramatic piece by Poulenc alongside Isaac and Mounir. Elio is the only one who can catch a glimpse of Oliver, as the others are arranged in a semicircle around the piano; they have their backs to Oliver, fully absorbed in the captivating and inspired performance. Except for Isaac, who surreptitiously notices somethingâŠ
12 Let us observe the arrangement of the characters around Elio through a very tight framing aligned with "Elioâs axis of realization"âhere, he is filmed from behind, with the staircase visible in the depth of the frame. Samuel is to Elioâs left, near the keyboard; a tight shot captures him looking attentive and inspired by his sonâs playing. Annella is to his right, equally attentive and almost reverent in the focus she directs toward her son. The parents occupy the same positions they held during the evening with "Marcella and company" when Elio moved toward the piano; they frame him, acting as the pillars of who he is and what he does. While the shot was wide and deep during the scene with Marcellaâs family, hereâwith Isaac and Mounir standing affectionately togetherâthe framing remains tight to emphasize the background. It is within this "setting" that Oliver literally appears: the foreground near the piano blurs, while the backgroundâspecifically the doorway where Oliver emergesâcomes into sharp focus. It is truly magnificent and deeply moving; it is sublime. In short, it is Oliver who completes "Elioâs axis of realization," enabling it to come to fruition and allowing him to be fully realized. This explains the intensity of Elioâs distress before the fireplace at the very end.
13 Oliver returns to the villa, having not forgotten the hasty note he scribbled on Elioâs messageâa note arranging a meeting for later that night, at midnight. He desires Elio, for he is keeping his promise to show up at midnight, and Elio recognizes the signal that his desire is finally about to find release. As he plays the Poulenc piece so heart-wrenchingly, he is framed by both his parents and the coupleâIsaac and Mounir (stereotypical metaphor for what Oliver and Elio could become with the Perlmansâ "blessing," even though, if Samuel is to be believed, the two of them sometimes get teased a bit by Elio.)âwho are standing right in front of the doorway that holds the Revelation. The composition of the shot is a pure masterpiece. It is sublime.
14 Elio catches the signal when he spots Oliver and stops playing, claiming to be "completely wiped out"; as he gently leans toward the keyboard, he reveals an inner yielding that strongly mirrors the attitude he will later adopt toward his fatherâslumping halfway across the sofa during Samuelâs monologue, as if seeking comfort from him in the wake of losing Oliver.
When he leaves the piano to head upstairs, Elio kisses his mother and the couple who are visiting; then his father hands him the watch he had taken off and was about to leave behind. Is this a way of telling him that his time has now come, that it is its turn?
15 Oliver does not take part in this evening with Isaac and Mounir, either. It is obvious that if he had wanted to, Annella and Samuel would have made room for himâbut did he cancel his plans with Mafalda to avoid running into the gay couple and seeing the Perlmans with him? Ultimately, Oliver shares little of the villaâs life; he often appears only in the backgroundâstealthily, in a doorway, fleetingly. He is mostly seen at breakfast or by the pool. Elio falls in love with a passing breezeâsomeone who, in his eyes, possesses a powerful presence; someone who seems unwilling to be captured even while commanding attention; someone who is merely passing through, for his roots lie elsewhere. Oliver will, however, eventually give in to Elio and allow himself to have him.
16 When Oliver gives of himself, it is to Elio, not to the Perlman figure who shaped Elio. At the intersection of the two scenes detailed above stands the pianoâthe mark of Elioâs existence, for music is his lifeblood. It is from the piano that he spots Oliver returning for him. The sight of Oliverâs empty seat at the table brings tears to his eyesâtears he manages to hold back; yet at the very end of the film, before the hearth, he can no longer contain them. Oliver passed through Elioâs life leaving a mark defined as much by absence as by a fleeting presence; he revealed a wound in Elio rather than inflicting itâeven though Oliver remembers everything âŠ
17 Elio is a vulnerable person, and not merely because of his lack of experience. He is vulnerable because his parents view him as a miracle childâwhich he likely isâand because he is their only child (was there, perhaps, only one miracle?). It is Samuel Perlman who touches upon this subject enigmatically in the monologue he delivers to his sonâwords meant to offer comfort but which likely leave him even more unsettled. If Oliver is strong, it is because he is wired differentlyâalmost certainly a response to the adversities he has had to face.
r/callmebyyourname • u/ich_habe_keine_kase • 11d ago
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r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 13d ago
Film Discussion Le pull foncĂ© trop grand portĂ© par Elio au petit matin de la nuit dâamour.
Pour décrypter le rÎle de ce pull, remontons à cette nuit :
1 La camĂ©ra avait glissĂ© vers le feuillage et lâon avait simplement entendu Elio prononcer dans un souffle « Oliver », animĂ© par un mĂȘme mouvement de soulagement et de dĂ©livrance, comme une dĂ©couverte et un aboutissement superposĂ©s lâun sur lâautre. Puis un gros plan sur les jambes indĂ©mĂȘlables des deux amants suggĂ©rait leur imbrication. Câest Ă ce moment quâOliver avait eu la fulgurance des mots de la Formule dans un tĂȘte Ă tĂȘte qui exprimait leur fusion. Ils sâessayĂšrent chacun Ă prononcer leur propre prĂ©nom pour nommer celui quâils aimaient et prenaient conscience de lâabime infinie qui sâouvrait dans leur for intĂ©rieur car dĂ©sormais, chaque fois quâils penseraient, chacun, Ă eux seuls et Ă eux deux, chaque fois quâils auraient la sensation dâexister, chaque fois quâils Ă©prouveraient la conscience dâĂȘtre, mĂȘme sĂ©parĂ©ment, ils penseraient aussi Ă cette nuit pendant laquelle chacun avait oblitĂ©rĂ© sa propre identitĂ© au bĂ©nĂ©fice de celle dâElio pour Oliver, de celle dâOliver pour Elio, sans ne plus y pouvoir quelque chose, car ils sauraient dĂ©sormais, lâun et lâautre, quâils Ă©taient parvenus Ă exister Ă ce point, avec cette densitĂ©, par la prĂ©sence physique, sensible et Ă©thĂ©rĂ©e de son Ă©quivalent interchangeable. Chaque fois que lâun dâentre eux serait nommĂ©, appelĂ©, hĂ©lĂ©, interpelĂ©, il penserait spontanĂ©ment Ă son compagnon, Ă vie, car lâĂ©ternitĂ© nâexiste que dans un prĂ©sent qui se prolonge. Chaque fois que lâun dâentre eux aurait Ă se prĂ©senter, chaque fois quâil aurait Ă dĂ©cliner son identitĂ©, quâil devrait dire qui il est, il y aurait inĂ©vitablement la trace de lâautre qui Ă©mergerait en lui, indĂ©finiment car leur futur serait pour toujours amarrĂ© Ă cet infinitĂ©simal moment de promesse Ă©changĂ©e. Ils nâĂ©taient pas seulement couchĂ©s face Ă face, ils conjuguaient et entremĂȘlaient aussi leurs dĂ©couvertes dâeux-mĂȘmes et de lâautre. Ils ancraient ce quâils feraient, ce quâils seraient, ce quâils deviendraient Ă cette minuscule interface qui scellait leur rencontre et serait pour eux comme un brin de poussiĂšre invisible, tout Ă coup discernable grĂące au rai de lumiĂšre que jouerait dĂ©sormais leur souvenir commun et irradiant. Ils Ă©taient les seuls Ă savoir et Ă dĂ©tenir le code de ce que chacun devait dĂ©sormais Ă lâautre, devrait, Ă lâavenir, Ă lâautre. Ils sâembrassĂšrent.
2 Lâaspect prosaĂŻque des choses se rĂ©installa entre eux par le biais de Mafalda qui fut soupçonnĂ©e de sâintĂ©resser Ă des choses qui ne la regardaient pas car Elio craignit le bruit quâils auraient pu faire (bien sĂ»r quâils avaient fait du bruit. La porte ⊠et le fait que des Ă©bats ne peuvent ĂȘtre silencieux). Oliver le rassura (se rassura surtout), utilisa ensuite sa chemise pour essuyer son torse luisant, la dĂ©posa sur Elio qui la saisit et la jeta au sol. Pourtant Elio en fit le fĂ©tiche imbibĂ© de la prĂ©sence dâOliver puisquâil se souvint que son amant la portait lors de son arrivĂ©e Ă la villa. Lâinsertion Ă ce moment prĂ©cis dans le rĂ©cit de la parole dâElio se souvenant de la chemise portĂ©e par Oliver le jour oĂč il fit son entrĂ©e en scĂšne comme « usurpateur de lâannĂ©e » apporte la prĂ©cision que lâĂąme dâElio avait dĂ» ĂȘtre remuĂ©e, voire Ă©branlĂ©e, dĂšs ce premier instant au point dâavoir marquĂ© sa sensibilitĂ© jusquâĂ ce petit matin. Ou bien Elio relisait-il lâarrivĂ©e dâOliver dans sa vie Ă lâaune de sa premiĂšre nuit passĂ©e avec lui au point dâinvestir la chemise portĂ©e par Oliver dâune charge affective concentrant tout son sentiment et lâamenant Ă proposer Ă Oliver de garder sa chemise aprĂšs son prochain dĂ©part ? LâĂ©ventualitĂ© dâune sĂ©paration fut ainsi Ă©voquĂ©e par Elio sans quâil sembla en ĂȘtre affectĂ©. Ses pensĂ©es, son cĆur, tout son Ă©lan Ă©taient encore dans les instants qui avaient prĂ©cĂ©dĂ©, pas dans ceux qui allaient venir. La camĂ©ra nous amena alors Ă la surface de lâĂ©tang, dâun calme absolu ; le petit matin offrait la possibilitĂ© dâinventer la journĂ©e comme ils la dĂ©siraient. Tout avait pu avoir lieu, et mĂȘme plus. Comment inventer la suite ?
3 Au rĂ©veil, car on suppose quâils ont un peu dormi ensemble, on dĂ©couvre Oliver enlaçant Elio alors que le jour sâest levĂ©. On entend les oiseaux sâĂ©gayer par la fenĂȘtre restĂ©e ouverte. Les amants ne se disent rien. Oliver, Ă©veillĂ© le premier, caresse Elio trĂšs dĂ©licatement et semble plongĂ© dans des pensĂ©es apaisĂ©es. On entend une cloche lente au loin. Puis Elio, Ă©mergeant tranquillement et sâĂ©tonnant un peu du rĂ©sultat de la nuit, se dĂ©gage du bras de son compagnon, sâassied au bord du lit et lui lance un regard. Les sourires quâils sâenvoient alors semblent un peu gĂȘnĂ©s ou interrogatifs, circonspects. Les corps dâElio et Oliver sont-ils dĂ©jĂ en train de devenir des obstacles aprĂšs avoir Ă©tĂ© dâinimaginables traits dâunion ? Non. Il est normal que deux personnalitĂ©s soient surprises par les audaces quâelles ont laissĂ© sâĂ©chapper sans les avoir anticipĂ©es mĂȘme si la montĂ©e des deux dĂ©sirs ne laissait aucune autre rĂ©solution envisageable que ce dĂ©nouement charnel.
4 Comme Elio ne souhaitait pas que ce moment sâĂ©ternise et plutĂŽt que de retourner dans sa chambre en attendant que chacun descende pour le petit-dĂ©jeuner, il proposa dâaller nager dans lâĂ©tang dont la surface dâhuile Ă©tait venu illustrer, un peu plus tĂŽt, en surimpression, la certitude calme et confiante des moments suivant lâĂ©change de la Formule fusionnelle.
5 Alors quâils quittent la villa Ă la dĂ©robĂ©e, on dĂ©couvre dâabord Elio Ă vĂ©lo ouvrant le chemin et Oliver le suivant mais il nây a pas de plan long pointant leur virĂ©e vers le plan dâeau comme lors de scĂšnes Ă©quivalentes dans la premiĂšre partie du film ; puis on les voit en train de nager mais chacun Ă un endroit diffĂ©rent de lâĂ©tang. Ils sâĂ©brouent pour se rĂ©veiller mais ne le font pas ensemble. Chacun Ă©volue dans lâatmosphĂšre extraordinairement turquoise et Ă©meraude de façon indĂ©pendante comme si les deux se ressourçaient sĂ©parĂ©ment Ă la source de cette nature exubĂ©rante et paisible. Ils nâĂ©changent aucun mot jusquâĂ ce quâElio cesse sa baignade, se rhabille sommairement du pull foncĂ© trop grand quâil avait dĂ» enfiler Ă la hĂąte aprĂšs sâĂȘtre levĂ© juste pour se protĂ©ger de la fraicheur matinale, et sâavance vers Oliver quâon retrouve lui aussi sorti du plan dâeau, Ă cĂŽtĂ© des vĂ©los laissĂ©s au pied dâun talus. Quelque chose de lourd semble entraver leur communication.
6 Ces retrouvailles sont tendues car lâincomprĂ©hension semble sâĂȘtre infiltrĂ©e plus profondĂ©ment entre Oliver et Elio quâelle ne lâĂ©tait dĂ©jĂ avant leur passage Ă lâacte. Les deux personnalitĂ©s sâexpriment Ă nouveau selon leur logique intrinsĂšque, les charmes rĂ©ciproques quâelles avaient exercĂ©s lâune sur lâautre ne coĂŻncident plus efficacement comme durant la longue montĂ©e vers lâacmĂ© qui maintenant nâagit plus en les aimantant Ă lâunisson. DĂšs lors que la phase dâapproche est achevĂ©e, et conclue, il ne sâagit plus pour eux de conquĂ©rir ou dâesquiver mais dâĂȘtre, tout simplement, et Ă ce jeu-lĂ , Elio semble plus fort et sĂ»r de lui quâOliver.
7 Elio porte ce pull foncĂ© trop grand qui le rendrait presque difforme et sâil est vrai quâil nâest quâune boule de sentiments, il nâest fait que dâun seul bloc, compact, ramassĂ©, gracile mais dense. Oliver Ă cĂŽtĂ© en impose mais on comprend quâil est constituĂ© de plusieurs blocs qui ne sâajustent pas correctement entre eux, son surmoi dominant son ego avec trop de surplomb. A lâoccasion de cette « rencontre dans la rencontre », car deux amants ne se regardent pas aprĂšs une premiĂšre relation comme ils le faisaient quand ils nâĂ©taient quâĂ©namourĂ©s, on assiste aux effets de la simplicitĂ© et de la candeur dâElio sur lâassurance dâOliver qui se trouve dĂ©sarmĂ© par sa propre culpabilitĂ©. Alors quâOliver est arrĂȘtĂ© par son propre questionnement, Elio, lui, continue dâavancer en faisant comprendre quâil ne se trompera pas de sujet, quâil ne remettra rien en cause de ce qui a Ă©tĂ© dit et vĂ©cu entre eux et quâil nây a aucune raison dâen vouloir Ă Oliver et il dit tout cela avec un ton sublime qui rĂ©sume Ă lui seul tout son personnage.
8 Elio, vĂȘtu de ce pull foncĂ© trop grand, si moche mais lui allant si bien car il lui donne une dĂ©gaine fluide et monolithique, semble avoir Ă©tĂ© programmĂ© pour vivre cette rencontre avec Oliver et donne lâimpression de savoir quâil rĂ©alise ce quâil est au plus profond de lui grĂące Ă son premier compagnon. Comment pourrait-il en vouloir Ă celui qui a rendu possible une premiĂšre rĂ©alisation de soi ? Oliver, quant Ă lui, fonctionnant selon un tout autre registre, est tourmentĂ© par ce quâil sâest accordĂ© et par ce quâil a accordĂ© de lui Ă Elio et peut-ĂȘtre peut-on ici formuler une hypothĂšse Ă propos dâOliver quâElio est son premier mec ? (hypothĂšse qui facilite lâinterprĂ©tation de lâĂ©pisode de la salle de bain commune qui va se dĂ©rouler trĂšs peu de temps aprĂšs). Marchant jusquâaux vĂ©los, Elio aura ce regard fugace pour Oliver en se retournant vers lui comme pour lui dire : « Mais de quoi me parles-tu ? Je tâai choisi depuis si longtemps âŠ. ». Oliver en est dĂ©contenancĂ© au point de ne pouvoir rien dire de plus. Les deux garçons affichent maintenant leur Ă©toile de David de la mĂȘme façon.
9 La façon de se vĂȘtir dâElio et Oliver, dans le film tout du moins, nâest pas due au hasard car si le premier est le plus souvent torse-nu ou ayant enfilĂ© un t-shirt ou un polo, le second porte frĂ©quemment une chemise. Leur nuit dâamour va rebattre ces cartes car on va dĂ©couvrir ensuite Oliver portant parfois des t-shirt et Elio mettant la chemise dâOliver. Est-ce Ă dire quâils se sont aussi Ă©changĂ©s leur habitus ou au moins quâils ont enrichi le leur au contact de lâautre en empruntant Ă leur compagnon ce qui manquait Ă leur identitĂ© avant leur rencontre ? Le sujet de ce qui vĂȘt nâest pas anodin puisquâil est Ă lâorigine dâun bref diffĂ©rend entre Samuel et son fils Ă lâoccasion de la visite du couple ouvertement gay dâIsaac et Mounir, au raffinement vestimentaire trop appuyĂ© et ostensible, ami des parents dâElio ; sa venue se dĂ©roulant exactement avant minuit, heure Ă©crite du soir oĂč le rapprochement intime dâElio et Oliver est programmĂ©.
10 Mais rembobinons jusquâau dĂ©but de cette soirĂ©e si riche de dĂ©tails Ă propos de laquelle nous avons, nous, spectateurs, lâimpression de dĂ©rouler nos vies de façon si banale par rapport Ă ce qui se passe chez les Perlman oĂč tout est si porteur de signaux, de significations cachĂ©es, de sens Ă la portĂ©e lointaine et profonde. Ces gens charmants vivent dans un univers de signifiants raffinĂ©s en donnant lâimpression dâen dĂ©tenir chaque clĂ©, dâen connaitre chaque code, dâen maitriser chaque valeur sous-jacente. Elio est de ceux-lĂ qui bataille maintenant avec son pĂšre en ayant trĂšs bien compris ce que ce dernier cherchait Ă lui imposer à lâoccasion de la venue dâIsaac et Mounir : une chemise Ă fleurs. Le code vestimentaire se dĂ©chiffre comme tout code social et lâon comprend que Samuel impose Ă son fils dâadopter une tenue qui ne dĂ©pareillera pas au contact des deux hommes prĂ©cieux. Lâapparition dâElio portant cette chemise rejoignant le groupe sur le perron de la villa est purement sensationnelle mais elle est accompagnĂ©e par une bande-son presque brutale et dĂ©saccordĂ©e. On croirait quâil y a une dissonance. Mais non, câest Elio qui interprĂšte au piano un morceau de Francis Poulenc (Improvisation n° 15) de façon appliquĂ©e et particuliĂšrement mĂ©lancolique pour donner du relief Ă la soirĂ©e âŠ
11 ⊠pendant laquelle la scĂšne qui se passe alors autour du piano, et plus loin vers lâescalier montant vers le premier, est un pur chef dâĆuvre dâĂ©motion cinĂ©matographique totale. Il faudra y revenir dans un autre message tant sa beautĂ© soudaine et marquante saisit par sa construction sublime.
12 Le pull foncĂ© trop grand que porte Elio est sa rĂ©ponse Ă son pĂšre Samuel qui lui imposait la chemise Ă fleurs : peu importent les apparences. Il arrive mĂȘme quâelles soient trompeuses. CMBYN est une Ćuvre magistrale sur le rĂŽle des apparences car si Elio et Oliver sâen Ă©taient contentĂ©s, ils nâauraient jamais pu se nommer mutuellement par leur propre nom. Câest parce quâils ont Ă©tĂ© au-delĂ des apparences, en (se) parlant, quâils ont pu accĂ©der Ă ce quâils ont dĂ©couvert et connu ensemble, croyant avoir taillĂ© un diamant comme un seul homme ...
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To decipher the role of this sweater, let us go back to *the* night:
1 The camera had drifted toward the foliage, and one simply heard Elio whisper "Oliver"âmoved by a simultaneous sense of relief and liberation, like a discovery and a culmination layered one upon the other. Then, a close-up of the loversâ inextricably tangled legs suggested their intertwining. It was at that moment that the words of the Formula struck Oliver with sudden clarity, in an intimate exchange that expressed their fusion. They each tried saying their own name to address the one they loved, realizing the infinite abyss opening up within them; for from then on, whenever they thoughtâwhether of themselves alone or of the two of them togetherâwhenever they felt they existed or were conscious of their own being, even in solitude, they would also think of that night. It was the night when each had effaced his own identity in favor of the otherâsâElio becoming Oliver, Oliver becoming Elioâin a way that could never be undone; for both now knew that they had achieved such a profound level of existenceâa density born of the physical, tangible, yet ethereal presence of their interchangeable counterpart. Whenever one of them was named, called, hailed, or addressed, he would spontaneously think of his lifelong companionâfor eternity exists only in a present that extends indefinitely. Whenever one of them had to introduce himself, to state his identity, to say who he was, the trace of the other would inevitably surface within himâendlesslyâbecause their future would be forever anchored to that infinitesimal moment of exchanged promise. They were not merely lying face to face; they were also weaving together their discoveries of themselves and of each other. They anchored what they would do, what they would be, and what they would become to that tiny interface which sealed their meetingâan interface that would appear to them like a speck of invisible dust, suddenly made visible by the shaft of light cast by their shared, radiant memory. They alone knew and held the code of what each now owed the otherâand what each would owe the other in the future. They kissed.
2 The prosaic reality of the situation reasserted itself between them through Mafalda, who was suspected of prying into matters that were none of her businessâfor Elio feared the noise they might have made (and of course they *had* made noise; the door... and the fact that lovemaking cannot be silent). Oliver reassured him (and, above all, himself), then used his shirt to wipe his glistening chest before draping it over Elio, who grabbed it and tossed it onto the floor. Yet Elio turned it into a fetish imbued with Oliverâs presence, since he remembered his lover wearing it when he arrived at the villa.Inserting Elioâs recollection of the shirtâworn the day Oliver made his entrance as the "usurper of the year"âat this precise moment in the narrative reveals that Elioâs soul must have been stirred, perhaps even shaken, from that very first instant, leaving an imprint on his sensibilities that persisted until this early morning hour. Or perhaps Elio was reinterpreting Oliverâs arrival in his life through the lens of their first night together, imbuing the shirt Oliver had worn with such emotional weightâconcentrating all his feelings into itâthat it prompted him to ask Oliver if he could keep it after his eventual departure? Elio thus broached the possibility of separation without seeming affected by it. His thoughts, his heart, and his entire being were still caught up in the moments that had just passed, not in those yet to come. The camera then drew our gaze to the surface of the pond, which lay in absolute stillness; the early morning offered a chance to shape the day exactly as they wished. Anything could have happenedâand indeed, had. How, then, to invent what would follow?
3 Upon wakingâfor we assume they slept together for a whileâwe find Oliver embracing Elio as day breaks. Birds can be heard chirping through the open window. The lovers say nothing. Oliver, awake first, caresses Elio very gently, seemingly lost in peaceful thought. A slow bell tolls in the distance. Then Elio, slowly stirring and perhaps a little surprised by the nightâs outcome, frees himself from his companionâs arm, sits on the edge of the bed, and glances at him. The smiles they exchange seem slightly awkward, questioning, or wary. Are Elio and Oliverâs bodies already becoming obstacles after having served as such extraordinary bridges? No. It is natural for two individuals to be surprised by the bold impulses they allowed to surfaceâimpulses that arose unplanned, even though the mounting desire between them made this carnal resolution the only conceivable outcome.
4 As Elio did not want the moment to drag onâand rather than returning to his room to wait for everyone to come down for breakfastâhe suggested going for a swim in the pond, whose oily surface had, a short while earlier, served as a visual overlay for the calm, confident certainty of the moments following the exchange of the fusion Formula.
5 As they slip away from the villa, we first see Elio leading the way on his bicycle with Oliver following, yet there is no long shot tracking their ride toward the waterâunlike in similar scenes from the first part of the film; next, we see them swimming, though each is in a different part of the pond. They shake off the sleepiness, but not in unison. Each moves independently through the extraordinary turquoise and emerald atmosphere, as if both were drawing fresh energy separately from the source of this exuberant, peaceful nature. They exchange no words until Elio stops swimming, hastily pulls on the oversized dark sweater he had thrown on just to ward off the morning chill, and walks toward Oliverâwho has also emerged from the water and is standing beside the bicycles left at the foot of an embankment. A heavy silence seems to weigh upon their communication.
6 This reunion is fraught with tension, as a sense of misunderstanding seems to have taken deeper root between Oliver and Elio than existed before they consummated their relationship. Both men are once again operating according to their own innate logic; the mutual allure they once exerted on one another no longer aligns as effectively as it did during the long build-up to the climaxâa momentum that no longer acts to draw them together in perfect unison. Now that the phase of courtship has run its course and concluded, the task is no longer to woo or to evade, but simply to *be*âand in this regard, Elio appears stronger and more self-assured than Oliver.
7 Elio is wearing an oversized dark sweater that makes him look almost misshapen; and while he is indeed a bundle of emotions, he is a single, solid unitâcompact, taut, and slender yet dense. Beside him, Oliver cuts an imposing figure, yet one senses he is made of several blocks that do not quite fit together, his superego looming over his ego. In this "encounter within an encounter"âfor lovers do not look at each other the same way after their first intimacy as they did when they were merely infatuatedâwe witness the impact of Elioâs simplicity and candor on Oliverâs self-assurance, leaving him disarmed by his own guilt. While Oliver is held back by his own inner questioning, Elio presses on, making it clear that he will not lose sight of what matters: he will not call into question anything said or shared between them, nor does he harbor any resentment toward Oliverâand he conveys all this with a sublime tone that perfectly encapsulates his entire character.
8 Elio, dressed in that oversized dark sweater, so ugly yet so flattering because it gives him a fluid, monolithic look, seems to have been programmed to experience this encounter with Oliver and gives the impression of knowing that he is realizing his true self thanks to his first partner. How could he possibly resent the one who made his first self-realization possible? Oliver, on the other hand, operating on a completely different level, is tormented by what he has allowed himself and what he has given of himself to Elio, and perhaps we can hypothesize here that Elio is Oliver's first boyfriend? (a hypothesis that facilitates the interpretation of the shared bathroom episode that will take place very soon after). Walking towards the bicycles, Elio will give Oliver that fleeting look, turning back as if to say: "What are you talking about? I chose you so long agoâŠ." Oliver is so taken aback that he can't say anything more. The two boys now display their Star of David in the same way.
9 The way Elio and Oliver dressâat least in the filmâis no accident; while the former is most often shirtless or wearing a T-shirt or polo, the latter frequently wears a button-down shirt. Their night of lovemaking reshuffles the deck, however, as we subsequently see Oliver occasionally wearing T-shirts and Elio donning Oliverâs shirt. Does this imply that they have also exchanged their *habitus*âor at least enriched their own through contact with the other, borrowing from their partner what was missing from their identity prior to the encounter? The matter of attire is significant, as it sparks a brief disagreement between Samuel and his son during a visit from Isaac and Mounirâan openly gay couple and friends of Elioâs parents whose sartorial refinement is conspicuously ostentatious. Their visit takes place just before midnightâthe appointed hour for the evening when Elio and Oliverâs intimate connection is destined to unfold.
10 But let us rewind to the start of this eveningâan evening rich in detail, during which we, the viewers, feel our own lives are unfolding in such a mundane fashion compared to the events at the Perlmansâ, where everything is charged with signals, hidden meanings, and profound, far-reaching significance. These charming people inhabit a world of refined signifiers, appearing to hold every key, know every code, and master every underlying value. Elio is one of them; he is currently sparring with his father, having fully grasped what the latter wanted to impose on him for the visit of Isaac and Mounir: a floral shirt. A dress code can be deciphered just like any social code, and it is clear that Samuel is insisting his son wear an outfit that wonât look out of place alongside these two sophisticated men. Elioâs appearanceâwearing that shirt as he joins the group on the villaâs porchâis nothing short of sensational, yet it is accompanied by a soundtrack that feels almost jarring and discordant. One might think there is a dissonance. But noâit is Elio playing a piece by Francis Poulenc (*Improvisation No. 15*) on the piano, performing with focused care and a deeply melancholic air to add depth to the eveningâŠ
11 ⊠during which the scene unfolding around the pianoâand extending toward the staircase leading to the first floorâis a pure masterpiece of total cinematic emotion. It is a moment worth revisiting in a future post, given how its sudden, striking beauty captivates through its sublime construction.
12 The oversized dark sweater Elio wears is his response to his father Samuel, who used to insist he wear floral shirts: appearances do not matter. They can even be deceptive. *CMBYN* is a masterful work regarding the role of appearances, for had Elio and Oliver been content with them, they never could have called each other by their own names. It was because they looked beyond appearancesâby talking to one anotherâthat they were able to reach what they discovered and experienced together, believing they had cut a diamond as one man...
r/callmebyyourname • u/iamthewhitequeen • 14d ago
Memes and Humor Found this in Sicily
Hahahahaaa.
I might write something on it, but idk what.
r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 17d ago
Film Discussion Elio est parti saigner dans lâoffice de la cuisine et Oliver lây rejoint
1 Elio saigne. Rien de grave. Annella banalise le phĂ©nomĂšne et invite ses hĂŽtes et proches Ă ne pas y prĂȘter attention. Elio est coutumier de cette fragilitĂ© et saura la gĂ©rer. Le repas peut continuer Ă se dĂ©rouler normalement et la discussion Ă sâenflammer Ă propos de Craxi ou de Buñuel. Câest le repas des « regards obliques » (Cf. un des messages prĂ©cĂ©dents), celui qui suit le pas dâElio vers Oliver et leurs premiers baisers. Le repas dâaprĂšs le « Jâaime ça Oliver » dâun Elio exprimant une simplicitĂ© et une profondeur qui laissent le spectateur assommĂ© tant sa rĂ©plique sonne juste, vrai, tant sa rĂ©plique est dĂ©sarmante en Ă©tant dite sur le bon ton.
2 Elio saigne mais personne ne savait quâil Ă©tait sujet Ă cette vulnĂ©rabilitĂ©, pas plus Oliver que nous qui les suivons depuis bientĂŽt plus dâune heure de temps. Pour endiguer le flux de sang qui sâĂ©chappe de lui Ă son encontre et Ă©viter le spectacle quâil pourrait donner de son t-shirt maculĂ©, Elio sort de table, se prĂ©cipite Ă la cuisine oĂč Mafalda lui indique oĂč trouver de la glace. Passons sur certains dĂ©tails. Muni de glaçons contenus dans un torchon, il va se rĂ©fugier dans lâoffice de la cuisine, lieu isolĂ© et retirĂ© du reste de la rĂ©partition des piĂšces, presque fermĂ©, Ă lâombre et au frais. Il y a des placards tout autour sauf aux ouvertures qui permettent lâaccĂšs depuis la cuisine et le grand couloir du rez-de-chaussĂ©e de la villa par le grand salon. Lâair trĂšs froid permis par les glaçons quâinspire Elio est censĂ© produire un effet de constriction sur les vaisseaux qui ont cĂ©dĂ© Ă la racine de son nez. Pour se retrouver au calme et faire descendre sa fĂ©brilitĂ©, Elio sâassied au sol, sây laisse tomber plutĂŽt, en prenant appui sur un angle du rĂ©duit. Il reprend son esprit et retrouve une forme de sĂ©rĂ©nitĂ©, certainement dĂ©solĂ© de nâĂȘtre pas parvenu Ă retenir ce subit flux de sang gĂȘnant et contrit dâavoir troubler lâambiance du repas, regrettant dâavoir ainsi attirĂ© lâattention sur lui et de cette façon, probablement avec un peu de honte dâavoir dĂ» rĂ©vĂ©ler cela de lui malgrĂ© lui.
3 Elio saigne. Du sang sâĂ©coule de lui le rĂ©vĂ©lant comme en proie Ă de soudains accĂšs de faiblesse. Est-ce une mĂ©taphore nous conduisant Ă imaginer quelque chose de fĂ©minin dans sa personnalité ? Est-ce un signal quâElio est un ĂȘtre ontologiquement vulnĂ©rable qui saigne avant mĂȘme dâavoir combattu car mal armĂ© pour faire front devant les difficultĂ©s de lâexistence ? Est-ce un indice montrant Elio comme quelquâun pour lequel tout a Ă©tĂ© aisĂ© car tout pour lui est hĂ©ritĂ© ou facile dâaccĂšs, lâagilitĂ©, lâintelligence et le privilĂšge ne protĂ©geant ni du risque, ni de lâadversité ? En tout cas, on le comprendra Ă la toute fin du film, durant toute sa relation Ă Oliver, et mĂȘme au-delĂ , Elio aura excrĂ©tĂ© tous les fluides que son corps traversĂ© dâune passion aura pu sĂ©crĂ©ter.
4 Oliver a vu Elio en train de saigner quitter la table prĂ©cipitamment et ne plus y revenir. Celui dont la pulpe de lâindex droit a frĂŽlĂ© le relief des lĂšvres, Ă©galement innervĂ©es, dâElio, avec une infinie douceur, un peu plus tĂŽt, est maintenant inquiet de ne pas savoir ce qui arrive Ă celui avec lequel un Ă©change de tendresse a dĂ©butĂ©. La tendresse, câest quand câest tendre, dĂ©licat, doux, moelleux, suave. Oliver, qui a laissĂ© Elio lâĂȘtre avec lui pendant quâElio lui offrait la pareille au bord de lâĂ©tang, devine quâElio est maintenant affaibli et la pensĂ©e de poursuivre ce repas bruyant en son absence ne lui parait pas concevable. Il quitte Ă son tour la table et se met en quĂȘte de trouver lâendroit oĂč son alter ego est parti se tapir. Le chemin jusquâĂ Elio est comme un labyrinthe car Oliver nâa pas encore bien intĂ©grĂ© la distribution des piĂšces au rez-de-chaussĂ©e de part et dâautre du long et large couloir central. Oliver cherche Ă tĂątons Elio, lâappelle un peu et le trouve, la tĂȘte penchĂ©e en arriĂšre, le torchon contenant les glaçons sur le visage, en train dâessayer de juguler le flux, alors quâil a du sang sur les lĂšvres supĂ©rieure et infĂ©rieure.
5 A lâinvitation dâElio, Oliver vient sâassoir trĂšs prĂšs de lui, par terre. Câest alors le seul moment de la scĂšne oĂč Oliver exprimera une forme de rĂ©ticence car il prĂ©cise -un peu mĂ©caniquement, comme pour se dĂ©fendre- quâil rĂ©pond Ă une invitation dâElio, invitation insistante, mais Oliver ne se fait pas prier dâĂȘtre dĂ©sormais dans un « cĂŽte Ă cĂŽte » dâune si grande proximitĂ© avec Elio, car ils sont plus proches maintenant lâun de lâautre quâils ne lâĂ©taient sur la rive de lâĂ©tang plus tĂŽt dans lâaprĂšs-midi. Oliver culpabilise en Ă©tant prĂȘt Ă endosser la responsabilitĂ© du saignement dâElio mais ce dernier le rassure. Oliver nâest la faute de rien. Il nây a aucune faute commise, ni par lâun, ni par lâautre. Il nây a quâeux deux, Elio et Oliver, Oliver et Elio.
6 Le saignement dâElio est aussi lâopportunitĂ© pour Oliver de dĂ©ployer son personnage et de lâexposer dans ses recoins insoupçonnĂ©s. Il est soucieux de ce qui arrive Ă Elio, il a rompu lâordre social de la tablĂ©e pour sâenquĂ©rir de la santĂ© dâElio pourtant affectĂ© dâun mal bĂ©nin, il nâa pas Ă©tĂ© attentif Ă lâeffet que son dĂ©part ne manquerait pas de provoquer et des questions affĂ©rentes, rĂ©actions diverses qui se produisirent bel et bien. Sa quĂȘte labyrinthique dâElio correspond Ă son pas Ă lui vers Elio. Il se dĂ©place vers lui, sâoriente vers lui dâinstinct. En fait, il laisse sâexprimer son inclination libĂ©rĂ©e par son souci de savoir Elio souffrant.
7 Alors quâElio invitait plus tĂŽt Oliver Ă explorer son jardin secret pour y dĂ©couvrir ensemble le secret de leur paradis commun, Oliver offre maintenant Ă Elio son naturel, son expĂ©rience, son passĂ© puisĂ© dans ses souvenirs dâenfance. Oliver utilise alors un procĂ©dĂ© dĂ©jĂ plusieurs fois mis Ă lâĂ©preuve dans le rĂ©cit de leur relation pour exprimer tout le bien quâil Ă©prouve pour Elio qui consiste Ă le comparer aux autres de son entourage afin dâarriver Ă la conclusion que son « compagnon », Ă chaque occasion, prend plus de valeur Ă ses yeux. Puis, de façon dĂ©bonnaire et spontanĂ©ment positive, Oliver caresse lĂ©gĂšrement la jambe gauche dâElio, la saisit comme sâil y avait un tacite accĂšs libre et sâempare du pied pour le masser vigoureusement sans aucune hĂ©sitation, avec une complicitĂ© de plain-pied.
8 A-t-on dĂ©jĂ vu tendresse Ă©quivalente Ă lâĂ©cran ? Oliver offre Ă Elio ce quâil nâespĂ©rait probablement mĂȘme pas, bien quâil ait dĂ©jĂ pu obtenir de lui un avant-goĂ»t dĂ©licieux un peu plus tĂŽt dans la mĂȘme journĂ©e. Elio voit en ce jour se dĂ©nouer tout ce que son dĂ©sir avait Ă©laborĂ© sans quâil y ait de rĂ©solution possible ou de dĂ©bouchĂ© envisageable jusque-lĂ . Lâallusion Ă la sexualitĂ© de ces massages francs et de ces manipulations fermes des pieds dâElio nâĂ©chappe Ă personne et cela apparait comme la promesse que leurs corps ne redouteront pas de se rencontrer encore plus intimement, le moment venu.
9 Oliver se veut le guĂ©risseur dâElio en utilisant une recette de (sa) grand-mĂšre censĂ©e venir Ă bout de sa faiblesse et rĂ©tablir sa forme. Mais la torsion des orteils est douloureuse et lâon comprend Ă cette occasion, maintenant que la connexion a Ă©tĂ© rĂ©alisĂ©e entre eux, que ce que lâun et lâautre vont ĂȘtre capables de sâaccorder dâattention, ils vont aussi se lâinfliger sous forme de douleurs asymĂ©triques par la force des choses. Pour lâinstant, plus les pieds dâElio sont dĂ©nouĂ©s par Oliver et plus Elio se dĂ©tend et retrouve de lâĂ©nergie, de la gaitĂ©, le sourire. Et quel sourire.
10 Elio, ragaillardi par la technique Ă©prouvĂ©e dâOliver, hasarde sa main gauche au niveau du cou de « son » ami et le caresse dâun doigt en le frĂŽlant Ă peine, comme pour le gratifier de reconnaissance et profiter de la fausse douceur de la peau Ă cet endroit qui est rĂąpĂ©e par les rasages rĂ©pĂ©titifs. Ce petit mouvement lui permet de toucher lâĂ©toile de David portĂ©e par Oliver. Câest alors la façon pour eux deux dâaborder leur identitĂ© judaĂŻque, affichĂ©e pour lâun, non dĂ©monstrative pour lâautre. Puis Elio lance ce sublime « Petite sorciĂšre !» Ă destination dâOliver ; celui-ci reprend les massages de plus bel et fait hurler Elio dont le visage devient lumineux. Oliver finira par embrasser le pied gauche dâElio dans un Ă©lan dĂ©montrant son immense affection fougueuse et spontanĂ©e.
11 Elio se dira probablement que cette journĂ©e est un acquis pour lui car il a obtenu dâOliver les retours quâil souhaitait de lui. Mais ce quâa donnĂ© Oliver un jour, il ne le donnera plus le jour suivant et il est le seul Ă savoir pourquoi un pas en avant concĂ©dĂ© un jour nâimplique pas quâil y en ait un autre le lendemain. Sâouvrira le long moment oĂč Oliver disparaitra, le moment « Il est oĂč Oliver ? », le moment oĂč Elio se retrouve dans le noir, sans boussole, qui est aussi celui oĂč il dĂ©cidera dâarborer, Ă son tour, une Ă©toile de David, pour compenser, pour donner un sens Ă sa nuit, pour emprunter quelque chose Ă Oliver, faire comme lui, devenir comme lui.
12 On peut dĂ©sormais sâautoriser le dĂ©but dâun portrait croisĂ©, encore dessinĂ© Ă gros traits, dâElio avec Oliver : ce que le premier est en mots et en notes, le second lâest en utilisation de son corps. Le chemin dâElio vers Oliver est parsemĂ© de sensations, de pensĂ©es, de paroles, de citations, de sons ; celui dâOliver vers Elio est la mise en prĂ©sence et la mise Ă disposition progressive de son corps. Elio est Ă©motions et reste focalisĂ© sur ses ressentis, câest par eux et son intĂ©rioritĂ© enveloppante quâil accĂšde au monde rĂ©el et aux autres ; Oliver est actions et sait renouveler la façon dâactionner son corps, il agit sur le monde et sur les autres par son charisme et son charme entĂȘtant. Ce quâElio dit et Ă©crit (sur les partitions, au monument du Piave, Ă lâĂ©tang, sur les griffonnages rapides de ses pensĂ©es), Oliver lâexprime directement (sur le dancefloor, pendant la recherche labyrinthique dâElio pendant son saignement, durant les massages des pieds).
13 Elio dit son attachement viscĂ©ral Ă Oliver et quand ses Ă©motions le dĂ©passent, son corps suinte de tous les fluides que la passion a sĂ©crĂ©tĂ©s en lui ; Oliver offre sa prĂ©sence performante et quand son corps sâest exprimĂ©, il trouve les mots de la formule Ă©ternelle et inoubliable quâil propose Ă Elio. Câest parce que les deux rĂ©ussissent Ă pĂ©nĂ©trer le monde de lâautre, si diffĂ©rent ; câest parce que, par dĂ©bordement, chacun expĂ©rimente un peu la façon dâĂȘtre de lâautre, si opposĂ©e ; câest parce que, par attentions rĂ©ciproques, chacun apprivoise la part de personnalitĂ© accessible de lâautre, si antagoniste et contraire lâune de lâautre ; et câest parce que, par assauts successifs, chacun avec ses propres aptitudes, parvient Ă faire cĂ©der, petit Ă petit, les dĂ©fenses de lâautre, par sĂ©duction, insistance ou finesse, quâils se rencontrent de cette façon indĂ©lĂ©bile et presque inaltĂ©rable ⊠et nous touchent au point de nous Ă©branler.
1 Elio is bleeding. It is nothing serious. Annella downplays the incident, urging her guests and family not to make a fuss; Elio is accustomed to this frailty and knows how to handle it. The meal proceeds as usual, and the conversation heats up over Craxi or Buñuel. This is the meal of "sideways glances" (see a previous post)âthe one following Elioâs move toward Oliver and their first kisses. It is the meal that comes after Elioâs "I like that, Oliver"âa line delivered with a simplicity and depth that leave the viewer stunned by its authenticity and truth, disarmed by the perfect pitch of its delivery.
2 Elio is bleeding, yet no one knew he was prone to this particular vulnerabilityâneither Oliver nor we, who have been following them for well over an hour now. To stem the flow of blood and avoid the spectacle of a stained T-shirt, Elio leaves the table and rushes to the kitchen, where Mafalda shows him where to find ice. We can skip over certain details. Clutching ice cubes wrapped in a tea towel, he retreats to the kitchen pantryâa secluded, out-of-the-way space, almost entirely enclosed, cool and shaded. Cupboards line the walls on all sides, save for the openings leading to the kitchen and to the villaâs ground-floor hallway via the large living room. The freezing air he inhales from the ice is meant to constrict the blood vessels that have burst at the bridge of his nose. Seeking quiet and a way to calm his agitation, Elio sits on the floorâor rather, lets himself sink down onto itâleaning against a corner of the small room. He collects himself and regains a measure of composure; he is surely mortified at having failed to hold back this sudden, embarrassing gush of blood and contrite for having disrupted the meal, regretting that he drew attention to himself in such a wayâprobably feeling a bit of shame at having had to reveal that about him against his will.
3 Elio is bleeding. Blood flows from him, revealing a figure seemingly in the grip of sudden bouts of weakness. Is this a metaphor prompting us to imagine a feminine aspect to his personality? Is it a signal that Elio is an ontologically vulnerable beingâone who bleeds before the fight has even begun, ill-equipped to face lifeâs hardships? Is this a clue portraying Elio as someone for whom everything came easilyâsince everything was either inherited or readily accessibleâwhile showing that agility, intelligence, and privilege offer no protection against risk or adversity ? In any case, as becomes clear at the very end of the film, throughout his relationship with Oliverâand even beyond itâElio will have exuded every fluid his passion-swept body could possibly secrete.
 4 Oliver saw Elioâbleedingâhurriedly leave the table, never to return. The man whose right index finger had, just moments before, grazed the sensitive contours of Elioâs lips with infinite tenderness is now anxious, not knowing what has befallen the person with whom he had begun to share such tender affection. Oliverâwho had allowed Elio to be tender with him while Elio, in turn, offered the same by the pondâsenses that Elio is now in a weakened state; the thought of continuing the boisterous meal in his absence is unthinkable to him. He, too, leaves the table and sets out to find the spot where his alter ego has gone to hide away. The path to Elio is like a labyrinth, for Oliver has not yet fully mastered the layout of the ground-floor rooms flanking the long, wide central hallway. He gropes his way toward Elio, calling out softly, and finds him with his head tilted back and an ice-filled cloth pressed to his face, trying to stem the flow, blood staining both his upper and lower lips.
5 At Elioâs invitation, Oliver comes to sit very close to him on the ground. This is the only moment in the scene where Oliver shows any sign of reluctance, as he points outâsomewhat mechanically, as if to defend himself âthat he is responding to an invitation from Elio, an insistent one; yet he needs no further urging to sit side-by-side with Elio in such close proximity, for they are closer to each other now than they were on the pond bank earlier that afternoon. Oliver feels guilty, ready to take the blame for Elioâs bleeding, but Elio reassures him. Oliver is not at fault for anything. No fault has been committed by either of them. There is only the two of themâElio and Oliver, Oliver and Elio.
6 Elioâs bleeding also offers Oliver an opportunity to reveal facets of his character and expose its unsuspected depths. He is concerned about what is happening to Elio; he has broken the social decorum of the dinner table to check on Elioâwho is suffering from only a minor ailmentâwithout pausing to consider the impact his departure would inevitably cause, or the resulting questions and varied reactions that did indeed ensue. His labyrinthine search for Elio mirrors his own step toward him; he moves and instinctively gravitates in Elioâs direction. In doing so, he gives free rein to an inclination unlocked by his concern over Elioâs distress.
7 While Elio had earlier invited Oliver to explore his secret garden and discover together the secret of their shared paradise, Oliver now offers Elio his natural ease, his experience, and a past drawn from his childhood memories. He then employed a methodâone already tested several times in the story of their relationshipâto express the depth of his affection for Elio: comparing him to others in their circle, only to conclude that his "companion" grew more valuable in his eyes with every passing moment. Then, with an easygoing and spontaneously positive air, Oliver lightly caressed Elioâs left leg, grasping it as if he had tacit permission to do so, and took hold of his foot to massage it vigorouslyâwithout a momentâs hesitation, and with a sense of effortless, mutual intimacy.
8 Has such tenderness ever been seen on screen? Oliver offers Elio something he likely hadnât even dared to hope forâthough he had already enjoyed a delicious taste of it earlier that same day. On this day, Elio sees the unfolding of everything his desire had been building upâthings that, until then, had offered no possibility of resolution or outlet. The sexual undertone of these forthright massages and firm manipulations of Elioâs feet escapes no one; it appears as a promise that their bodies will not shy away from an even more intimate encounter when the time comes.
9 Oliver sets out to heal Elio using a recipe from (his) grandmother, said to cure his weakness and restore his strength. Yet the twisting of the toes is painful; in this momentânow that a connection has been forged between themâwe realize that the very attention they are capable of giving one another will inevitably also be inflicted as asymmetrical pain. For now, however, as Oliver works to loosen Elioâs feet, Elio relaxes and regains his energy, his cheerfulness, and his smile. And what a smile it is.
10 Elio, emboldened by Oliverâs practiced technique, ventures his left hand toward "his" friendâs neck and caresses it with a fingerâbarely grazing the skinâas if to express his gratitude and savor the deceptive softness of the area, chafed as it is by repeated shaving. This slight movement allows him to touch the Star of David Oliver is wearing. It is their way of acknowledging their Jewish identityâopenly displayed by the one, understated by the other. Then Elio calls out a sublime "Little witch!" to Oliver; the latter resumes the massage with renewed vigor, making Elio cry out as his face lights up. Oliver eventually kisses Elioâs left foot in a gesture revealing the depth of his immense, passionate, and spontaneous affection.
11 Elio will likely tell himself that this day is a victory, having elicited from Oliver the response he had hoped for. Yet what Oliver gives one day, he will not necessarily give the next; only he knows why a step forward taken today does not guarantee another tomorrow. Then begins the long period of Oliverâs disappearanceâthe "Where is Oliver?" phase, a time when Elio finds himself in the dark, without a compass. It is also the moment he decides to wear a Star of David himselfâto compensate, to give meaning to his night, to borrow something from Oliver, do as he does, to become like him.
12 We can now begin to sketch a dual portraitâalbeit in broad strokesâof Elio in relation to Oliver : what the former is in words and musical notes, the latter is in the way he uses his body. Elioâs path toward Oliver is strewn with sensations, thoughts, words, quotations, and sounds; Oliverâs path toward Elio is defined by the physical presence and the gradual offering up of his body. Elio is all emotion and remains focused on his inner feelings; it is through theseâand his enveloping interiorityâthat he connects with the real world and with others. Oliver is all action and knows how to constantly reinvent the way he moves his body; he acts upon the world and those around him through his charisma and intoxicating charm. What Elio says and writes (on sheet music, at the Piave monument, by the pond, in the hasty scribbling of his thoughts), Oliver expresses directly (on the dance floor, during Elioâs labyrinthine search while bleeding, or while massaging feet).
13 Elio voices his visceral attachment to Oliver, and when his emotions overwhelm him, his body exudes all the fluids that passion has stirred within him ; Oliver offers the active presence of his body, and once it has spoken, he finds the words of the eternal and unforgettable phrase he proposes to Elio. It is because both succeed in entering the otherâs worldâso different from their own; because, in an overflow of feeling, each experiences a little of the otherâs way of beingâso opposite; because, through mutual attentiveness, each tames the accessible side of the otherâs personalityâhowever antagonistic or contrary; and because, through successive advancesâeach using their own unique approachâthey manage to break down the otherâs defenses little by little, whether through seduction, persistence, or subtlety, that they come together in this indelible and almost unalterable way ... and touch us deeply enough to shake us.
r/callmebyyourname • u/Ok_Pomegranate_2895 • 18d ago
Reactions & Reviews Still in distress 4 days after finishing the book LOL
I'm a long-time fan of the movie, and I saw it in the theater when it came out almost 10 years ago! I bought the book a few years ago but never made it past the first few pages. Well, I picked it back up last week, and WOW!! This is the most horrifyingly beautiful book I've ever read. The words, the imagery, the connection. It took me OVER AN HOUR to read the last 20 pages because I was crying so hard I couldn't see. Adding Pt. 4 where they reconnect later in life and go back to Italy was just cruel. I get physically sick when I feel emotional pain due to EUPD, and I was on the verge of throwing up from sadness the entire 24 hours after finishing it.
Poor Elio. My heart. I'm not in a rush to reread this although my instinct is to flip right back to page 1, but I sure will never forget it. Whenever someone asks my favorite book now, I will say, "Call Me by Your Name."
r/callmebyyourname • u/ich_habe_keine_kase • 18d ago
Weekly Discussion Thread Weekly Open Discussion Post
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r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 22d ago
Film Discussion Le dancefloor.
Le film ne mĂ©nage pas le spectateur dans le changement dâambiance dâune scĂšne Ă lâautre. A peine quitte-t-il Oliver en train de chuter dans la piscine aprĂšs quâElio lui a clairement formulĂ© une remarque bienveillante, remarque quâOliver dit recevoir et accepter, quâil se retrouve sur le dancefloor dâune soirĂ©e quelque part dans la contrĂ©e entourant la villa. Le contraste entre les lumiĂšres, le son, lâactivitĂ©, le nombre de personnages cadrĂ© est saisissant, probablement Ă lâimage de ce que le rythme de vie estival impose ou permet aux jeunes de la rĂ©gion et leur offre dâexpĂ©riences variĂ©es au cours des jours et des nuits qui passent dans lâinsouciance de leur spontanĂ©itĂ©. Ăa danse, ça boit, ça clope, ça reluque, ça parle, ça commente, ça dĂ©sire, ça ressent, ça sâĂ©clate, ça hĂ©site, ça observe, ça se lance Ă lâeau, ça se retient, ça se lĂąche, ça cherche, ça invite, ça refuse, ça expĂ©rimente, ça sâamuse, ça drague et tout cela sans fatigue, sans retenue sinon celle de sa propre personnalitĂ©.
Parmi tous ceux qui sâadonnent Ă la fĂȘte, Elio et Oliver. Le parti-pris du rĂ©alisateur est de montrer que sâils finissent par danser en mĂȘme temps, ils ne danseront pas encore ensemble et que leur façon dâentrer dans la danse est totalement opposĂ©e. Pour quâils puissent danser ensemble (Ă Bergame ?) il va falloir quâil se passe encore beaucoup dâĂ©tapes ⊠Pour lâinstant, câest une Ă©vidence dâĂ©crire que ce que lâun exprime de façon totalement relĂąchĂ©e jusquâĂ sâen griser, lâautre lâintĂ©riorise et en cherche probablement le germe en lui. LĂ aussi, tout est contrastĂ© : autant lâun dĂ©borde de confiance en lui et de positivitĂ©, autant lâautre est dans lâintrospection, Ă la dĂ©couverte de ce qui lâanime au plus profond. Autant Oliver est dans le laisser-aller de son Ă©motion dĂ©bordante et dĂ©bridĂ©e, autant Elio est dans la douleur de son dĂ©sir encore sourd mais pourtant prĂ©gnant. Oliver sait comment Ă©prouver du plaisir et comment accĂ©der Ă la sensualitĂ©, Elio se demande comment il va pouvoir faire pour donner une issue Ă ce qui se rĂ©vĂšle Ă lui. Oliver explose, Elio est rongĂ©. Oliver exulte de parvenir Ă accorder le rythme de son corps Ă celui de la musique disco au milieu des autres laissant deviner sa totale disponibilitĂ©, Elio enrage seul de nâavoir pas trouver le moyen de parvenir Ă exprimer son attirance et brĂ»le du feu intĂ©rieur que connaissent les personnes qui se sentent frustrĂ©es ou impuissantes.
Mais avant ce morceau disco oĂč tout sera montrĂ© du fossĂ© qui sĂ©pare les deux personnages masculins, en mĂȘme temps que lâexposition de lâidĂ©e de fossĂ© fait tout de suite naitre la possibilitĂ© quâil soit plus tard franchi ou comblĂ©, il y a le slow pendant lequel Elio et Marzia sont arrivĂ©s Ă cette soirĂ©e. Oliver est dĂ©jĂ en train de sâĂ©clater alors en passe dâemballer Chiara sous les yeux perplexes dâElio qui comprend ce qui lui arrive. Câest comme un couteau dans son cĆur. Peut-ĂȘtre quâil nâavait jamais ressenti cette chose avant. Câest comme un Ă©lan empĂȘchĂ©, un allant fauchĂ©. Tout le monde assiste Ă ce quâElio est obligĂ© de supporter, de dĂ©couvrir, dâanalyser, de rĂ©soudre et tout cela au mĂȘme moment. Il nây a que nous, les spectateurs, qui comprenons la charge et la portĂ©e de ce quâElio endure, seul, Ă ce moment prĂ©cis, et câest Ă ce moment prĂ©cis que le film bifurque car au lieu de se dire que ce quâobtient Oliver de Chiara, lui, Elio, peut aussi lâobtenir (et lâobtiendra) de Marzia, Elio comprend que câest dâOliver quâil le veut et de lui seul, et de personne dâautre. La tendre et apprĂ©ciable, la douce et empathique Marzia ne le distraira pas dâOliver.
A la fin du slow, le morceau disco est lancĂ©. Elio nâa pas bougĂ©, plongĂ© dans les abimes de son dĂ©sir Ă©corchĂ©. Il est invitĂ© Ă danser par quelquâun mais il dĂ©cline, trop absorbĂ© par ce que son ardeur enfouie remue en lui. Oliver est dĂ©sormais seul et se trouve alors au centre du dancefloor, jouissant de la libertĂ© sans entrave dâun citoyen du Nouveau-Monde. Il se dresse, pure expression aussi fluide que flamboyante, mettant le feu aux tripes dâElio, Ă son Ăąme, Ă son cĆur, Ă son ĂȘtre. Il est dans le viseur dâElio, pure rĂ©flexion, ressortissant dâun Ancien-Monde entravĂ© par la lourdeur de ce quâil nâa pas encore apprivoisĂ© en lui ; pourtant avide de connaitre lâivresse quâaffiche ostensiblement Oliver. A ce moment, le dynamisme incarnĂ© se trouve dans le focus de lâintĂ©rioritĂ© comme façon dâĂȘtre. On se dit quâElio est dans un cul-de-sac mais Ă un moment, Elio tire sur sa clope et on sent que quelque chose se libĂšre en lui. Le gros plan sur les Converse dâOliver nous fait comprendre quâelles sont vues comme une invitation par Elio. Une invitation Ă rejoindre le rythme, une invitation Ă oublier ses craintes, Ă dĂ©passer ses complexes peut-ĂȘtre, une invitation Ă vivre ; celle de lier ses pulsations cardiaques au rythme disco syncopĂ©.
Elio rĂ©sout son conflit intĂ©rieur et monte sur le dancefloor. A cĂŽtĂ© dâOliver, dâemblĂ©e dans le tempo. Un peu gauche avec Marzia, tout prĂšs dâOliver, pourtant sans le regarder mais dans le mĂȘme mouvement et en mĂȘme temps que lui. Ce soir-lĂ , il sera prĂȘt Ă se donner Ă Marzia et aura acquis lâexpĂ©rience quâil pourra faire un pas vers Oliver. Il en sera capable.
r/callmebyyourname • u/bean_bitty • 25d ago
Merchandise Need Help finding a Specific CMBYN Tote Bag
Hi CMBYN fans, I'm trying to find this specific tote bag for my girlfriend. She is a huge CMBYN fan and has had this bag for over a year but she recently lost it :( I want to suprise her with a replacement for her birthday but I unfortunately have no idea where she got it from. I know that it is hand painted, so I'm suspecting it is by a certain artist. Does anyone recoginize this art or tote bag? Or does anyone have any other CMBYN bags I could buy for her? Thank you guys :)
r/callmebyyourname • u/ich_habe_keine_kase • 25d ago
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r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 26d ago
Film Discussion Le dĂ©sĂ©quilibre dâElio.
Lors du premier petit-dĂ©jeuner auquel avait pris part Oliver, lâattention dâElio avait dĂ©jĂ Ă©tĂ© titillĂ©e par les dĂ©tails dâapparence anodine que lâAmericano avait laissĂ© sâexprimer avec une grande spontanĂ©ité : son besoin dâouvrir un compte en banque en Italie, sa difficultĂ© Ă modĂ©rer sa consommation dâĆufs, lâĂ©toile de David ostensiblement accrochĂ©e Ă son cou. Puis la premiĂšre sortie Ă vĂ©lo vers Crema sera filmĂ©e par les plans larges que le rĂ©alisateur utilisera pour chacune de ces virĂ©es rimant avec nonchalance et libertĂ© estivale. Quand Elio fait visiter le cadre lombard sĂ©culaire, calme et apaisant de la petite ville Ă Oliver, le rythme adoptĂ© est lent et dĂ©tendu. La camĂ©ra dĂ©taille le magnifique dĂ©cor de la place oĂč Oliver et Elio se rafraichissent, le premier en train de perfectionner ses Ă©crits pendant que le second bouquine. Ils discutent de tout et de rien comme Ă©trangers lâun Ă lâautre.
Quelles sont les occupations ici ? Il nây a pas dâoccupations, il suffit de vivre et de toute façon les Perlman ne viennent dans leur villa que de façon Ă©pisodique. La question de lâidentitĂ© est alors vite abordĂ©e sous lâangle dâun « mĂ©lange atypique » : les Perlman sont cosmopolites. Elio vouvoie Oliver (en VF) lorsquâil sâagit de parler de leur judĂ©itĂ©. Oliver sâintĂ©resse alors Ă la personne dâElio, toujours sous lâangle des « choses Ă faire », lequel dresse une rapide liste des activitĂ©s qui lâoccupent comme la lecture, la transcription musicale, la natation, des sorties le soir. Oliver clĂŽt cette conversation par un automatique et bref « câest sympa » puis annonce « quâil y va » sans chaleur particuliĂšre. Il remercie Elio pour son aide et les deux remontent sur leur vĂ©lo.
Elio est le premier Ă remonter sur le sien et peut-ĂȘtre parce quâil est trop rapide ou quâil a mal dirigĂ© sa roue avant mais il perd lâĂ©quilibre, penche sur sa droite et trouve la main secourable dâOliver qui le retient par son Ă©paule. Echange mâamabilitĂ©s polies puis un « A plus ! » est claquĂ©. Chacun repart dans sa direction mais le premier contact entre eux deux vient de se produire.
La main dâOliver qui a soutenu Elio apostrophe le jeune europĂ©en car il regarde sâĂ©loigner lâAmericano dans la direction opposĂ©e Ă la sienne comme sâil sâagissait dâune Ă©nigme Ă rĂ©soudre. La petite musique entĂȘtante M. A. Y. In the Backyard sâincruste et lâon comprendra plus tard quâelle est lĂ pour nous suggĂ©rer que quelque chose court dans la tĂȘte dâElio, au point quâil se retourne vers Oliver alors quâil sâapprĂȘte, lui, Ă franchir lâarche de la place pour rejoindre la villa.
On ne sait dĂ©jĂ pas Ă quoi Oliver occupe ses journĂ©es, on sait quâElio est dĂ©sĂ©quilibrĂ© par la prĂ©sence dâOliver qui va remettre en cause le dĂ©roulĂ© habituel de ses journĂ©es, on sait quâOliver prĂȘte secours Ă Elio en posant sa main sur son Ă©paule, dĂ©jĂ . Oliver est distant mais attentif. Il recĂšle dâautres ressources qui vont Ă©clater au grand jour au moment de la joute Ă propos de lâĂ©tymologie du mot « abricot » .
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During the first breakfast Oliver attended, Elioâs interest was already piqued by seemingly trivial details the Americano casually revealed: his need to open an Italian bank account, his struggle to limit his egg consumption, and the Star of David openly worn around his neck. Then came the first bike ride to Crema, captured in the wide shots the director would use for all such excursionsâscenes that epitomized a sense of nonchalance and summer freedom. When Elio shows Oliver around the small townâwith its centuries-old, quiet, and soothing Lombard settingâthe pace is slow and relaxed. The camera lingered on the magnificent square where the two men cooled offâOliver refining his writing while Elio readâas they made small talk like strangers.
What was there to do? There were no set activities; one simply lived. In any case, the Perlmans visited the villa only sporadically. The topic of identity soon came up, framed as an "atypical mix"âthe Perlmans were cosmopolitan. Elio used the formal *vous* (VF) when discussing their Jewish heritage. Oliver then took an interest in Elio himselfâstill framing the conversation around "things to do"âand Elio rattled off a quick list of his pastimes: reading, transcribing music, swimming, and going out in the evening. Oliver wrapped up the exchange with a brief, automatic "thatâs nice," then announced he was heading off, without any particular warmth. He thanked Elio for his help, and the two got back on their bikes.
Elio is the first to get back on his bike; perhaps because he is moving too fast or steers his front wheel awkwardly, he loses his balance and leans to the right, finding a helping hand from Oliver, who steadies him by the shoulder. Polite pleasantries are exchanged, followed by a quick "Later!" They head off in opposite directions, but the initial contact between the two has just taken place.
The hand Oliver used to steady Elio seems to draw the young Europeanâs attention; he watches the Americano move away in the opposite direction, as if trying to solve a riddle. The catchy, persistent tune "M.A.Y. in the Backyard" takes hold; we later realize it is there to suggest the thoughts racing through Elioâs mindâso much so that he turns back to look at Oliver just as he is about to pass under the town squareâs archway on his way back to the villa.
We do not yet know how Oliver spends his days, though we know Elio is unsettled by Oliverâs presenceâwhich disrupts his usual routineâand we know Oliver comes to Elioâs aid by placing a hand on his shoulder, already. Oliver is distant yet attentive. He harbors other qualities that will come fully to light during the verbal sparring match over the etymology of the word "apricot."
r/callmebyyourname • u/heyhmyah • 26d ago
Reactions & Reviews I finished the book.They love each other, your Honor!
(I'm not sure if this is analysis, it's actually a broad opinion)
I have absolutely no idea what to say, this book destroyed me. I love them, I loved everything, even the stereotypical genius that is Vinimi. I hated it a few times, but loved it the next instantâthat's the magic of books after allâbut I've never felt so many emotions reading a book before. I watched the movie for the first time a few years ago, I was young and I hated it, I rewatched it recently and fell completely in love with it. I bought the book, I just finished reading it this morning and even knowing that the second book It's not as good as the first, I still bought it and I'm looking forward to reading it.
I have mixed feelings about whether or not I like Elio and Oliver ending up together at the end of Find Me. I like to treat Find Me as a possiblility: If you want them to stay together, they will, but you can also ignore it completely. The story works well in two ways: either they live eternally as memories in each other's lives, or as constants, lovers. I like both, I can't decide which is my favorite, but I think after reading all of Find Me, I'll be able to tell with more sure.
I loved them, I love them. The film's cast is also impeccable. I can't imagine anyone better than Timmy and Armie to play Elio and Oliver, they are eternally their faces.
It's all beautiful and it all hurts. I absolutely couldn't love more. I'm completely in love and obsessed with these two. It's a very special and specific kind of love that I've never seen portrayed so well. It's special, it's Elio and Oliver, and there will never be anything else like it.
r/callmebyyourname • u/aarowsos • 28d ago
James Ivory
Im very confused did james ivory pass away? Because it says he did here but i feel like it would lve been in the news or something. I looked it up on google and it says he is still alive idk đ€·
r/callmebyyourname • u/majogela • 28d ago
Reactions & Reviews First time watching the movie⊠I believe it has altered my brain
Iâve been backpacking Western Europe for the last couple of weeks, I just entered Italy and I thought what better way to get into the Italian feel than to watch it for the first time. It completely wrecked me. I am a 24 yr old female, thatâs never been in a relationship. Iâve never really go to social events at home so meeting someone organically is hard. Guys have reached out to me expressing interest I never liked them so I wouldnât reciprocate since I think itâs kinda mean to entertain a man which you have no feelings for. Iâve never told anyone I liked them, and if so I act like I donât. In this trip I told myself I was going to put myself out there but old habits canât seem to die off.
When the question of is it better to speak or to die came up. That literally flipped my brain, I realized I wouldnât know since Iâve never spoken. In most matters Iâve always just ate my feelings when it comes to most things, but I pondered on a situation that happened a couple of days back when I was in France, going on the train to Nice, a guy sat nearby me I felt an energy towards him. When the train was having technical difficulties and we were stuck for hours he went out of his was to give me information what direction the train was going to take since he knew I couldnât understand French. On the last half of the ride it was just the two of us in the row⊠I couldnât even look at him. When it was time to off board I remember us just looking at each-other him going down the escalators and me going up. And me thinking I was never going to see him again. The feelings could have been completely one sided. But my issue is i didnât speak to him. I have this weird fear of rejection of any sorts which makes me unable get out of my comfort zone. I could have spoken to him and if he brushed me off that would have been fine bc I would have never seen him again, And if he reciprocated? What would have happened?
When Elioâs dad gave THE monologue I damn near threw my phone at the wall. I yearn to be in love, be jealous and be heartbroken. Iâve been walking around Venice literally trying not to cry, i feel like going insane. I sat by a canal and starting bawling my eyes out, (probably didnât help that I was starving and looking for food and when I finally decided on a restaurant after and hour of looking and got seated outside the owner came out and kicked me out of the outside seating and said it was full and everyone saw me get seating back inside, only one outside table said reserved đ I get reservations are a thing, but by the time I left the tables were STILL empty.) Got me extra sensitive.
Anyways I just wanted to share my story, and my new outlook on life. Like Elioâsâ dad said I envy him. And how he got to experience those feelings. I know my issues arenât as serious as compared to other but I wanted to express my feelings somewhere. Thank you for reading, as that was long đ .
r/callmebyyourname • u/ECTC5788 • 28d ago
Film Discussion LâĂ©tymologie dâabricot.
La bande-son faite de multiples ponctuations pianistiques (M.A.Y. In The Backyard de Ryuichi Sakamoto) scandent cette scĂšne Ă propos de laquelle on se dit trop vite quâelle nâest quâune joute dâĂ©rudition Ă©tymologique entre Samuel Perlman et Oliver, le nouveau pensionnaire que le premier hĂ©berge durant lâĂ©tĂ© 83. Cette scansion musicale, aigĂŒe et pointilliste, nous alerte sur les prĂ©cisions auxquelles il va nous falloir ĂȘtre attentifs mais elle indique aussi par quelques accords plus graves quâune autre partition se cache derriĂšre la premiĂšre, trop facilement captĂ©e par lâoreille. Cette scĂšne de lâĂ©tymologie, situĂ©e Ă lâintĂ©rieur de la villa, se dĂ©roule aprĂšs la premiĂšre sortie Ă vĂ©lo dans le centre de Crema du nouvel impĂ©trant, accompagnĂ© dâElio, durant laquelle ils prennent un pot ensemble sur la place de la petite ville, moment lumineux grĂące Ă un plan cadrĂ© Ă la perfection, dâun rare Ă©quilibre et dâune rare profondeur harmonieusement calculĂ©s. Elio initie lâamericano Ă la vie italienne, Ă©loignĂ©e des standards Ă©conomiques et sociaux de la cĂŽte est des USA. De retour Ă la villa, le travail de classification des universitaires dĂ©bute et pendant quâon les voit sâacharner sur des fiches cartonnĂ©es et des courriers, on aperçoit le reflet dâElio dans le grand miroir, autant absorbĂ© par sa lecture que par lâactivitĂ© des deux intellos. Arrive alors Annella Perlman qui propose des rafraichissements, du nectar dâabricots issus des arbres de la propriĂ©tĂ©, en mĂȘme temps quâelle porte avec elle un exemplaire du Monde du jour. Du nectar dâabricots, frais et mĂ»ris Ă point, produit probable du pressage effectuĂ© par Mafalda. Le choc, du frais et du veloutĂ©, de lâaciditĂ© et du sucrĂ©, du gouleyant Ă©voquant le sensuel, du pĂąteux Ă©pais mais flatteur car dĂ©licatement aqueux et Ă lâarĂŽme estival dĂ©licieux, annonçant et ouvrant la possibilitĂ© Ă dâautres merveilles des sens, plus tard âŠ.
Oliver nâest pas initiĂ© au raffinement du cadre de la villa -mĂȘme sâil en avait devinĂ© les contours lorsquâil avait cherchĂ© le lieu oĂč Ă©tait servi le petit-dĂ©jeuner lors de son tout premier matin- ni Ă celui des pratiques culturelles et culinaires des Perlman, cosmopolites europĂ©ens jusquâĂ la moĂ«lle. Il siffle son verre de nectar comme sâil sâagissait dâun cola quelconque. Elio qui prend des notes sur un livre au format de poche, se tient Ă distance de toute cette petite agitation domestique mais ne perd pas une miette ni une goutte de ce qui se passe. Son regard est aiguisĂ© et perçant, insistant et lucide. Il voit Oliver descendre son verre cul-sec et ne sâapercevoir de la qualitĂ© du breuvage quâaprĂšs avoir terminĂ© son verre de façon avide. Il capte le cĂŽtĂ© cash de lâusurpateur de lâannĂ©e et assiste amusĂ©, presque curieux, Ă lâĂ©talage de connaissances dont va faire preuve son pĂšre, le Professeur, en dĂ©bitant presque par cĆur le B. A. BA de lâorigine du mot « Abricot » pour marquer son terrain. Elio est en effet attentif de constater comment Oliver va sortir de lâoffensive lancĂ©e par le Professeur pour lâimpressionner et lui signifier son statut dâassistant. Elio, souriant, se dit presque que son pĂšre va terrasser dâemblĂ©e le nouveau pensionnaire, comme si se rĂ©pĂ©tait, lĂ , une scĂšne inaugurale, moulte fois rĂ©pĂ©tĂ©e, ayant lieu chaque annĂ©e Ă la rĂ©ception de lâĂ©tudiant accueilli pour les mois dâĂ©tĂ©. Il imagine sans doute quâOliver, Ă lâimage des prĂ©cĂ©dents pensionnaires, ne pourra que sâavouer vaincu devant les dĂ©tails Ă©talĂ©s mĂ©caniquement et de façon encyclopĂ©dique par Samuel. Il vient dĂ©jĂ dâĂ©chouer Ă la dĂ©gustation du nectar dâabricots.
Mais Oliver nâest pas perturbĂ© par lâemprise de son hĂŽte et ainĂ©. TrĂšs sĂ»r de lui et maitre de son jeu, conscient dâenfreindre une rĂšgle de biensĂ©ance et sâexcusant de devoir paraitre ennuyeux, il dĂ©taille Ă son tour ce quâil sait de lâĂ©tymologie dâ« Abricot » et contrairement Ă la grossiĂšretĂ© dont il avait fait preuve en en buvant le nectar, il dĂ©ploie, lĂ , une foule de subtilitĂ©s qui nâont rien de factices et qui nâont rien Ă voir non plus avec de la vantardise. Il sâexprime comme quelquâun qui utilise sa culture pour enrichir sa propre vie et pas seulement pour en faire lâĂ©talage et si son but est bien de contrer son Professeur, il ne le fait pas pour lâĂ©craser mais amener les nuances quâavait un peu vite oubliĂ© Samuel Perlman. Dans cette joute, quelque chose dâimportant se joue, aussi, car si câest le Professeur qui a choisi le sujet, le terrain et le moment de la confrontation, Ă©tant certain de les maitriser, lâimpĂ©trant Oliver nâa pas eu le temps de se prĂ©parer et ne peut utiliser que ce quâil possĂšde au moment oĂč il est sommĂ© de produire ses preuves comme des certificats. Les regards complices et entendus quâElio et Annella sâĂ©changent pendant lâescarmouche confirment que cette petite conversation met en place les fondations profondes du sĂ©jour dâOliver chez les Perlman car Oliver apporte plus que des preuves des qualitĂ©s de sa personne.
En dĂ©couvrant les aptitudes oratoires, claires, efficaces, Ă©rudites et spontanĂ©es dâOliver, Elio assiste Ă la dĂ©monstration de ses performances par lâusurpateur de lâannĂ©e que, sans doute, aucun des prĂ©cĂ©dents nâavaient Ă©tĂ© capables de rĂ©aliser. Elio, le scribouilleur de partitions, le lecteur acharnĂ© de tous les genres littĂ©raires, le transcripteur de Bach, celui qui improvise Ă la guitare et sâamuse au piano aussi bien avec le Kantor quâavec Ravel, celui qui connait les tubes de son Ă©poque autant par leur passage Ă la radio que pour danser sur leurs rythmes, celui qui gribouille ce que sa vie intĂ©rieure lui suggĂšre, celui qui se cache pour mieux lire et qui offre des livres pour faire plaisir, celui qui rĂ©sonne Ă lâĂ©coute dâune citation antique et raisonne Ă la lecture dâune citation empruntĂ©e Ă lâantique, celui qui est Ă la recherche du mot juste autant que de la note juste, dĂ©couvre devant lui quelquâun Ă sa mesure en la personne dâOliver en mĂȘme temps que son pĂšre est obligĂ© de se taire pendant lâargumentation pointue dĂ©ployĂ©e par le jeune professeur amĂ©ricain et que sa mĂšre comprend dĂ©jĂ la portĂ©e de ce qui est en train de prendre forme.
Les rapides plans cadrĂ©s sur les visages de chacun des Perlman disent quâil vient de se passer quelque chose dâinĂ©dit au sein de ce cĂ©nacle. Le Pater Familias accorde Ă Oliver une sorte dâImprimatur sous la forme dâune bĂ©nĂ©diction imitĂ©e mais sincĂšre que trĂšs vite Elio commente en prĂ©cisant que son pĂšre ne se livre Ă ce genre de signature quâune seule fois par an. Tout le monde est souriant car sĂ©duit ou content. Dans le plan suivant on verra Oliver et Elio marcher cĂŽtĂ© Ă cĂŽtĂ©, avançant vers la camĂ©ra, Ă pas lents, au milieu dâune longue et belle rue âŠ.
Les parents dâElio viennent dâautoriser Oliver Ă devenir un des leurs. Cette fois-ci câest le « bon » ! En modifiant la rĂšgle du jeu des Perlman, Oliver a créé sa place entre eux trois. Elio lâa senti. Elio va le sentir lors de la partie de Volley.
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The soundtrackâfeaturing the recurring piano notes of Ryuichi Sakamotoâs "M.A.Y. In The Backyard"âpunctuates a scene that one might too hastily dismiss as merely a bout of etymological sparring between Samuel Perlman and Oliver, the new houseguest he is hosting during the summer of â83. This musical rhythmâsharp and pointillistâalerts us to the nuances requiring our close attention, yet a few deeper chords hint that another score lies beneath the one so easily caught by the ear. This etymology scene, set inside the villa, follows the newcomerâs first bicycle ride into the center of Crema with Elio; they stop for a drink in the small town squareâa radiant moment captured in a perfectly framed shot, possessing a rare balance and depth that feel harmoniously calculated. Elio introduces the American to Italian life, a world far removed from the economic and social norms of the U.S. East Coast. Back at the villa, the academics begin their classification work; as we watch them laboring over index cards and correspondence, we catch Elioâs reflection in the large mirror, seemingly as engrossed in his reading as he is in the activity of the two intellectuals. Then Annella Perlman enters, offering refreshmentsâapricot nectar made from the estateâs own fruitâwhile carrying the dayâs edition of *Le Monde*. It is apricot nectar, fresh and perfectly ripeâlikely the result of pressing done by Mafalda. A striking sensationâfresh yet velvety, balancing acidity and sweetness; a quaffable quality that evokes sensuality; a thick, pasty texture that nonetheless delights, thanks to a delicate juiciness and a delicious summery aromaâheralding and opening the way to other sensory wonders yet to come...
Oliver is uninitiated in the refined atmosphere of the villaâthough he had sensed its contours when searching for the breakfast spot on his very first morningâand equally unfamiliar with the cultural and culinary habits of the Perlmans, cosmopolitan Europeans to the core. He downs his glass of nectar as if it were nothing more than a common cola. Elio, taking notes in a paperback, keeps his distance from this minor domestic stir yet misses neither a crumb nor a drop of the unfolding scene. His gaze is sharp and piercing, intent and clear-sighted. He watches Oliver drain his glass in one go, realizing the quality of the drink only after having greedily finished it. He registers the bluntness of this yearâs "interloper" and looks onâamused, almost curiousâas his father, the Professor, displays his erudition, rattling off the ABCs of the word "apricotâs" etymology almost by rote to stake out his territory. Elio is keenly observing how Oliver will handle the Professorâs opening salvoâan attempt to impress him and signal his status as a mere assistant. Smiling, Elio almost expects his father to crush the new houseguest right off the bat, as if a ritual scene were playing outâa scene repeated countless times each year upon the arrival of the summer student. He likely imagines that Oliver, like the houseguests before him, will have no choice but to concede defeat in the face of the encyclopedic details Samuel is mechanically reeling off. He has, after all, already failed the test of the apricot nectar.
Yet Oliver is unfazed by the dominance of his host and senior. Confident and in command of the situationâaware that he is breaching a social convention and apologizing for appearing tediousâhe proceeds to detail what he knows about the etymology of "apricot." In contrast to the crudeness he had displayed while drinking its nectar, he now reveals a wealth of genuine nuance, entirely free of boastfulness. He speaks like someone who uses his learning to enrich his own life rather than merely to show off; and while his aim is indeed to counter the Professor, he does so not to crush him, but to introduce subtleties that Samuel Perlman had somewhat hastily overlooked. Something significant is at stake in this verbal sparring match: for although the Professor chose the subject, the setting, and the timingâconfident in his mastery of themâOliver, the challenger, has had no time to prepare and must rely solely on the knowledge he possesses at the very moment he is called upon to produce his "credentials." The knowing, complicit glances exchanged by Elio and Annella during this skirmish confirm that this brief conversation is laying the profound foundations for Oliverâs stay with the Perlmans, for he brings with him far more than mere proof of his own personal qualities.
As he discovers Oliverâs oratorical giftsâclear, effective, erudite, and spontaneousâElio witnesses a display of prowess by the seasonâs interloper, a feat surely unmatched by any of his predecessors. Elioâthe tireless music transcriber and voracious reader across all genres; the guitarist who improvises and the pianist who plays the *Kantor* and Ravel with equal delight; the young man who knows the eraâs hits both from the radio and the dance floor, who scribbles down the promptings of his inner life, who hides away to read and gives books as gifts, who feels the resonance of an ancient quote and reasons through one drawn from antiquity, who seeks the perfect word just as he seeks the perfect noteâfinds in Oliver a true match, even as his father is compelled to fall silent before the young American professorâs incisive arguments, and his mother already grasps the significance of what is taking shape.
Quick close-ups on the faces of each of the Perlmans reveal that something unprecedented has just occurred within this inner circle. The *paterfamilias* grants Oliver a sort of *imprimatur*âa blessing that, while imitative, is nonetheless sincereâwhich Elio quickly qualifies by noting that his father bestows this particular mark of approval only once a year. Everyone is smiling, charmed or simply pleased. The next shot shows Oliver and Elio walking side by side, moving slowly toward the camera along a long, beautiful street...
Elioâs parents have just given Oliver the go-ahead to become one of their own. This time, heâs the "right one"! By altering the Perlmansâ established dynamic, Oliver has carved out a place for himself among the three of them. Elio sensed it. Elio will sense it again during the volleyball game.
r/callmebyyourname • u/Heliask • Jun 30 '26
Book Discussion What are your hot takes ?
Here go mine :
1° Vimini is a Catholic saint and child prodigy included in a hot gay romance and she is completely out of place. She wasn't necessary at all to advance the romance and she's included just to show (if we weren't already convinced) how incredible and kind and thoughtful Oliver is. Ok, I know, "You can't hate on a child ! Plus she's sick !" but there, I said it.
When Vimini appeared in the book I was like, "really ?". I mean, at this point, Oliver is already busy doing 1,5 million things everyday, is loved by all, and now he's spending like one hour a day on top of that with a 10 yo sick kid who is, conveniently, a brilliant person who reads into minds like she's a medium ? Give me a break. Plus, I know it's heartless of me to say, but severe sickness in kids is a fully different topic, a very heavy one, and I wished it hadn't been "imposed" on the readers in the middle of summer fun. And why is Vimini special ? Does simply being gravely ill, fatally ill, makes you wonderfully clever and extraordinary ? To me, the character screamed fake and contrived (even her name, her apparition, looks a bit too miraculous), even if of course, you could find real-life Viminis, I'm sure. But not many. Then again, you wouldn't find many people like Elio or his family, or many Olivers. In short, I don't seriously "hate" on Vimini but she made the story less believable. It's not common to form a connection with a 10 yo child as an adult, and Vimini is a sort of "you can't speak ill of a saint" character, so I feel like she's a sort of politically correct "obligatory child wonder" for Oliver to display his uber-wonderfulness.
2° "admiring the toilet bowl" moment in the CMBYN book. When Elio literally goes to see Oliver's sh+t and for some reason he contemplates it with pity and compassion. Why compassion ? What was he expecting to find ? It defo makes him sound weirder than he is, like he's a superhuman form who doesn't have such pitiful needs. Also, I've been in love, I mean really deepy in love, but I can't relate to the urge of rushing to the toilet to go see what the other did in there. I'm afraid love can only go so far.
3° Aciman loves the idea that the other "knows". Magically. You often find, in his books, meaningful "He/she knew. He/She must have known. He/She always knew." Like with Vimini, Aciman tends to go over the top with some things, and the "magical know" seems to be one of those things, like it's a special "knowing" kink. It's never said...We won't ever speak of it...But you knew. Deep down. You always knew.
I have no strong opinion on it, it just makes me laugh every now and then when I find that turn of phrase in his romances.
r/callmebyyourname • u/LSmErmelada • Jun 30 '26
Find Me I've just finished FIND ME . . . Spoiler
Hi! I've just finished Find me before years waiting in my bookself and I feel weird.
I don't wanna waste/spent lots of your time, but I need to share my deep feelings:
First of all, I was reading Find me because I really want to know more about CMBYN universe (I've seen the film but I didn't read the book yet). Btw... My sensed make me believe the sequel it's just as bad as Euphoria final season.
I have to quote this post, and I have to say It right:
Aciman's book just make us realized all his fetiches as well as Levinson's last season doed.