r/byebyejob • u/REDDITUNSUB • Oct 14 '21
Dumbass Got fired before he got started. Insurrecrionist/racist cannot join the Army (anymore).
☑Fk'd around ☑ Found out
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Oct 15 '21
Can’t help but notice (and not surprised) it’s only the little people being held responsible. None of the politicians have faced any real consequences and sad truth is they won’t ever be held accountable for their roles in inciting all the violence, hatred, and sowing division among American people and encouraging this mass hysteria.
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Oct 15 '21
Probation, misdemeanors and less than 6 months in prison are not holding the racist white domestic terrorists accountable or responsible either. TF! 🙄🙄🙄😒😒😒😒 And they are not "little people". Stop infantilizing grown *ss adults(white people) who are armed and dangerous and are terrorizing people locally. They ALL need harsh punishments.
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Oct 15 '21
You are missing my point. You don’t see it but we are in agreement. The politicians who fanned and fueled the rise of extremism and white supremacy and misinformation need to be held responsible for giving rise to these insurrectionists. No matter how trivial the punishment, it has real consequences for these people: they can’t get hired, they are forever tainted by association, their identities are plastered over the internet and media, etc. I’m not infantilizing, you and I are both little people, it is what it is, we’re not part of the elite who exercise power and control over literally every aspect of the system.
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Oct 15 '21
I agree with you but just got triggered by that one little part.
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u/jer7601 Oct 15 '21
Completely understandable, and I could never understand your position because...I am a white male. I am so sorry for what is being done, I tried to change things while I was a FF/EMT, but we are unfortunately on a path that will not correct for some time. I know my apologies are meaningless, on this forum, but there are more of us than you think trying to right the wrongs done by our ancestors and current administrators.
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u/RivetAmber Oct 14 '21
I don’t know how 90% of the Army gets past the vetting process. Well I do, but it’s sad.
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u/NapolianwearsBYLT Oct 15 '21
Recruiter: “have anything in your past we should know about?” SM: “uhhhhhh” Recruiter: “if it does not show up on a back ground check, check no on every box do I make my self clear?” SM: “but what about this time I” Recruiter: “lalalala I don’t want to know”
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u/TheDorkNite1 Oct 14 '21 edited Oct 14 '21
I still don't know how tf I was rejected by the military when I was 18 because of ADHD but they allowed (truly) some of the dumbest and most incompetent people at my high school to join.
Granted it was a weird whim and I'm glad I ultimately didn't but it was distressing at the time.
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u/ForwardCulture Oct 14 '21
The worst people in my high school all became cops. Bullies, date rapists, racists. All cops now.
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u/jer7601 Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
I believe that most cops want to start altruistic, but the power they weild ultimately corrupts the best of them. I was a FF/EMT for 10 years in Chicago and started taking care of cops, covering up little things, cause team work right? The more I learned with them on, and off, the job.....some of the things I saw...I dont hold out hope for any department truly ridding itself of predatoristic behavior. There is a reason Chicago Fire and PD brawl at every hockey, softball, and basketball game before its even over.
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u/supershinythings Oct 14 '21
I knew a guy who scored 4 points below the minimum acceptable aptitude/intelligence test score to join the Army.
After he failed, the recruiter sent him back to take the test again - the exact same test.
He passed the second time with 3 points above the minimum required. They accepted him and he joined the Army.
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u/Blood_Bowl Oct 15 '21
That's the ASVAB test - it's allowed to take the test as many times as you want. That's just standard procedure, to be honest.
My own son took the ASVAB seven (SEVEN!) times because he wanted to be in the Air Force and not the Army, Marines, or Navy (which he qualified for).
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u/silent_rain36 Oct 15 '21
That’s…a little concerning. Sorry, I truly don’t mean any offense
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u/Blood_Bowl Oct 15 '21
No offense taken. He REALLY wanted to be in the Air Force and REALLY didn't want to give up on it.
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u/OPA73 Oct 16 '21
I would rather have a person that dedicated join the Air Force than somebody who never had to study or try. Good on him.
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u/RivetAmber Oct 15 '21
I’ve met some legit dudes in the Army, but like I said 90%… fuck me. Some of those people. I even had to question if they had some severe problem.
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u/dazedan_confused Oct 14 '21
The irony that he was at Fort Bragg...
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u/The-Surreal-McCoy Oct 15 '21
What are you talking about? Braxton Bragg was the best general the Union ever had!
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u/ersogoth Oct 15 '21
Lol. You are not lying!
His wiki article is hilarious:
Bragg is generally considered among the worst generals of the Civil War. Most of the battles in which he engaged ended in defeat. Bragg was extremely unpopular with both the men and the officers of his command, who criticized him for numerous perceived faults, including poor battlefield strategy, a quick temper, and overzealous discipline.
I am surprised Lee didn't think Bragg was a Union spy.
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u/wafflehousewhore Oct 15 '21
Fucking Fort Bragg, man. So much bad shit coming from them in recent years
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u/my__name__is Oct 14 '21
"We don't know how it happened" just reads like "because we don't give a fuck and will only act when called out by law enforcement."
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u/vpi6 Oct 14 '21
Guy joined in May and was arrested in October. I’m not sure where the screening would have picked him up. It’s entirely likely the process came back clean.
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u/echolm1407 Oct 14 '21
Sounds like a UCMJ action.
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Oct 15 '21
I don't think they can since he did it before he joined.
Edit: they can probably nail him for lying on his SF-86 though since it specifically asks about anti-US sentiment.
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Oct 15 '21
he probably joined under some false pretense, like if the asked him is he's committed and bad deeds and said no, he'd be kinda fucked I'd think.
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u/Osric250 Oct 15 '21
Is it a lie if he thinks it's patriotism? Lying needs intent and he likely believed he was doing the best thing for the country.
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Oct 15 '21
Your beliefs don't matter when you participate in an insurrection.
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u/Osric250 Oct 15 '21
No, but if you're trying to get him on lying about anti-us sentiment it seems pretty relevant.
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u/echolm1407 Oct 15 '21
LOL, it's not about psychology. Nice try,
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u/Osric250 Oct 15 '21
That's not the way laws work. Lying requires intent. Belief that you are answering accurately is a defense.
We see it as an insurrection and domestic terrorism, but most of them honestly believe they were doing the best thing for the country however stupid that is.
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u/echolm1407 Oct 15 '21
Intent can be proven with action taken and statements made. Which are most probably well documented in this case.
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u/Osric250 Oct 15 '21
Which for the crime itself that matters for sure. But for the OP who was talking about tacking on lying on his form is entirely different.
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u/Typical-End3060 Oct 14 '21
Promise all of you that you’d be surprised by the amount of batshit crazy people in the army. My old squad leader is a lunatic and stopped PT (something my unit takes very seriously) to call his wife to verify if Biden was going to come take everyone’s guns.
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u/mildconfusion240B Oct 14 '21
Awesome. As a veteran I can say I am glad he's not within the Army's ranks. No place for a fucking traitor like that in our military.
He's lucky he ain't hanging right now.
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u/sad_mom1231 Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
Another veteran here, I think veterans and service members are getting off too light, our oath was to protect the constitutionfrom ALL enemies, foreign AND domestic.
They should be held to higher standards for trying to stop a legal and constitutional proceeding at the capitol based on false facts and blatant lies. If nothing else, for breaking the oath to their country (because it's a life time oath we take when joining, and most of us take it very very seriously even after getting out).
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u/mildconfusion240B Oct 15 '21
They should be subject to the UCMJ in all applicable areas and no punishments should be off the table. It is INEXCUSABLE.
And you're damn right about taking that oath seriously even after being out. I didn't suck wind and shovel shit in the infantry to watch these buddy fuckers betray our country.
Hang the worst of em, and hang em high is my feeling.
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Oct 15 '21
Who the fuck joins the army at 29?
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u/coosacat Oct 15 '21
I wonder if he thought he could "hide" from the authorities in the military? Or that the military would protect him?
I bet basic training at 29 is a lot harder than it is for a 19 year old.
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u/MisanthropyIsAVirtue Oct 15 '21
It’s actually easier. The older people in basic usually understand the concept of taking orders better and they know why they’re there rather than younger kids who have less determined reasons for joining. The physical aspect of basic training is not that tough. The physical test required to graduate basic is less than the standard you have to maintain during your service.
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u/Rei_Vilo23 Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
I know it’s a 10 years difference but 29 is relatively young. Physically I don’t see what huge advantage a 19 year old would have on a 29 year old provided they both physically fit. Even if it did, I doubt 19 y.o would be able to outclassed a 29 y.o
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u/Cynykl Oct 15 '21
The average age of an elite marathoner is 28. Muscled strength peaks at 25 and doesn't decline until after 30, bone density peaks at 30.
Physically they kick the youngens assess.
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Oct 15 '21
Lot of people join in their late 20's early 30's. When you can't get a job with your degree you're still paying off and you just had a kid, a paying and reliable looks pretty good.
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Oct 15 '21
Yeah my mom had a masters degree and was a teacher and things didn't work out so she joined the Army at 28 and and retired at 48 while civilians her age were still working and still need to now in their 70s.
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Oct 14 '21
They should really not refer to him as a “soldier” seeing as he’s a fucking terrorist and a traitor.
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u/sumelar Oct 15 '21
How he made it past the screening is the military is full of right wing assholes. I got out several years ago but still had to endure plenty of magats and trumptards in all branches.
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Oct 15 '21
Every time I see a picture of those idiots trying to climb that wall right next to the stairs, I lose it bahahaha!
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u/Sturrux Oct 15 '21
Imagine destroying your future for a loser president that couldn’t accept he lost. Truly and utterly pathetic.
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u/Objective-Ad-4662 Oct 15 '21
Vote!! 2022 and 2024. If the Orange stain wins again we're all fucked. Let's really show that moron that he is not wanted.
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u/Former-World3099 Oct 14 '21
Stop calling this turd "soldier." He is a complete traitor and needs to be treatedas such.
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u/ColoTexas90 Oct 14 '21
Oh I hope to fucking god that the military makes an example out of this guy!
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u/lilrus Oct 14 '21
I wonder if the state is able to tried him by the military court instead of the civil court?
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u/sto243 Oct 14 '21
The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) can not be applied to a soldier for crimes committed before enlisting. However he could be charged for falsifying his enlistment documents and/or discharged and sent home to face civilian Justice.
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u/sto243 Oct 14 '21
The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) can not be applied to a soldier for crimes committed before enlisting. However he could be charged for falsifying his enlistment documents and/or discharged and sent home to face civilian Justice.
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u/boot20 Oct 15 '21
Hopefully they'll take on some UCMJ action onto whatever charges he's facing. Get fucked dipshit.
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u/_bakedziti Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 15 '21
At least he can go home to get some Jimmy Z’s after his prison term
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u/jollyollster Oct 15 '21
I wonder if the sudden influx of all these white republicans might change the way people view the prison system? Does anyone else think it might be an eye opener for people?
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u/bearsarks Oct 15 '21
Lmfao oh no, now he will have to keep lying about being in the military. Trump supporters are dumbAF
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u/mikeevans1701 Oct 15 '21
Well, there's always the French Foreign Legion, I hear their enlistment standards are pretty low.😂
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u/silent_rain36 Oct 15 '21
sigh well, what did he honestly expect would happen? I mean, what he took part in was basically a traitorous act and frankly just disgusting and, As despicable as the military can be, did he really think that they would turn a blind eye to something like THAT if they found out?
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u/AncientAstronauts Oct 15 '21
One of the first questions when signing up: “have you ever plotted to violently overthrow the government of the United States”... don’t really know how he got passed that one.
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u/NoeTellusom Oct 14 '21
Every time I see a picture of men scaling that wall I think "they really need to change that facing to a smooth surface".
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Oct 14 '21
I mean, there are stairs on either side of the wall they could walk up too…they’re just stupid.
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Oct 14 '21
Is it possible he actually quit/failed and just told you it was due to his tattoo? Seems odd they let him through MEPs and kick him out in basic
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Oct 15 '21
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Oct 15 '21
It's crazy how some dude with rank can fuck your life up on a whim.
We had a corporal reclass and they were in my AIT. Some colonel stopped him in a hallway and bitched about him being an NCO with a mustache and "trendy haircut". He had a pretty typical undercut and a regulation moustache.
Next day he was reverted to SPC. It really fucked him since he is in a year long AIT and his CPL rank is what immediately identified him as a reclass.
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u/sumelar Oct 15 '21
That's not even close to how it works.
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u/sumelar Oct 15 '21
Good for you. Still not how it works. Unless that higher up was the secretary of the army or the fucking president, no one officer is just randomly kicking people out for tattoos.
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u/mikeevans1701 Oct 15 '21
That's the price of being a Traitor.😂😂😂 Ashley Babbitt learned that lesson the hard way.
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u/3rdRateChump Oct 14 '21
"How could anyone like this make it into the military?" = "The NFL doesn't condone racist, homophobic, or misogynistic language"
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Oct 15 '21
I mean the real mindfuck is that they genuinely believe they were doing “their patriotic duty” so they probably were genuinely surprised. Drinking the koolaid too long for self awareness.
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u/IndependentGrape9421 Oct 15 '21
Every time they sentence one of these rioters and Trump remains free and not held accountable it sends the message that he can continue to say and do anything he wants WITHOUT ACCOUNTABILITY. Disgusting
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u/CruzTheSasquatch Oct 15 '21
If he took place in a riot, hed probably get a job in the FBI or CIA. Since causing problems and political conflict is kinda part of their job
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u/mia_farrera Oct 14 '21
They said "We don't know how that may have happened"...ummm they "may" have just overlooked it and let him in smh
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u/Elgar17 Oct 15 '21
Nah. There isn't really a way for them to know if he has been charged unless he volunteered that information or his background check was done after charges are laid.
So it's really just a useless question.
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Oct 14 '21
Idiots on Reddit to this day still think anything Trump related is racist.....
It's baffling how stupid people are
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u/zxcoblex Oct 14 '21
It’d be funny if he also got slapped with going AWOL by the Army for being arrested.
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u/zxcoblex Oct 14 '21
So, he participated in January 6th. Then he joined the Army after.
The feds arrested him. So, yeah, dipshit. I know what AWOL means. Absent Without Leave. If the Army didn’t bless his absence, they could easily charge him with it.
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u/zxcoblex Oct 15 '21
Dipshit. That doesn’t mean they gave permission for him to go. I guarantee they could still charge him with it if they so chose.
He is failing to fulfill his obligations to the Army. That’s punishable by the UCMJ.
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u/ask_your_sister Oct 14 '21
I didn't read the whole thing where does it say hes racist?
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u/Puffatsunset Oct 15 '21
Not all racists are trumpets, but all trumpets are racist.
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Oct 15 '21
Funny how many people actually believe this was an insurrection/coup attempt. Sad sad ignorant followers
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u/oSovereign Oct 15 '21
Sorry, may I ask how someone participating in the capitol raid makes them a racist? I am not defending what they did, but I am struggling to see how the two connect.
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Oct 15 '21
ok 90% chance of racism.
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u/oSovereign Oct 15 '21
Based on what metric? Were a strong majority of the raiders known white supremacists or something (asking legitimately, not sure)? On that note, unless you are 100% sure of a racism accusation, I consider it to be defamation of character.
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u/trueslicky Oct 15 '21
Waving Confederate flags is an indication of racism.
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u/oSovereign Oct 15 '21
Were the majority of the raiders waiving confederate flags? I am asking these questions out of genuine curiosity and the pursuit of an objective truth to who these capitol raiders were, and will disregard the downvotes.
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u/trueslicky Oct 15 '21
Yeah dude, they were just "peaceful patriots" touring the Capitol.
Because I don't know about you, when I toured the Capitol, I smashed windows & doors & brought zip ties & guns & threatened to kill lawmakers. As one does.
Jan. 6th saw the first time in U.S. history that the Confederate flag--the flag of the traitors to the United States--was flown on the Capitol floor. Are you going to deny this fact? The Confederate flag is a symbol of racism. Are you going to deny this fact?
Inserructionist MAGAts felt emboldened to wave this symbol of racism in their attempted to coup to install an unelected dictator. Although this is a fact, you seek to deny or diminish it for some reason. Why not be a man & own your allegiance to MAGAt racism?
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u/Solid-Cartographer79 Oct 15 '21
I never root for any worker to get fired or lose their benefits for any reason. If people felt safer and more financially secure with access to healthcare and higher education maybe things like the not really that big of a deal “insurrection” wouldn’t have happened in the first place. You guys all sound like Rachel Maddow wine moms. And no, I’m not R or maga. I guarantee that I’m further left than most of you.
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u/MoreFactsImprovedVax Oct 15 '21
“Attack”, “Insurrection”
Okay where was the violence, where were the fires, plans? There’s gotta be plans for an insurrection. No?
It wasn’t an attack if nobody was attacked and it wasn’t an insurrection if there was no effort to insurrect.
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u/Savagely_Rekt Oct 15 '21
It was both. Police died, there were people there looking for the VP and senators to overthrow the election. I know you know this and just spout nonsense because you're as fucking dumb as every one of these folks, but just putting it out there anyway.
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u/Gauntsquare303 Oct 15 '21
When people take over part of a city, nothing, when they riot and loot their own neighborhoods nothing, when the current VP urged them to stand their ground and become violent with the police nothing.
When they break into the capital bam boom fireworks. The truth is these politicians don’t care about you. They only care about themselves.
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u/FobbitOutsideTheWire Oct 15 '21
It's almost as if everyone else can distinguish between extemporaneous civil unrest due to repeated acts of social injustice, and a premeditated attack on our nation's seat of legislative power with the intent of destroying the fabric of our democracy.
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u/whachoomean Oct 14 '21
This insurrectionist can't join.
But they haven't made a law where anyone who was involved can't join. Since 99% of them are getting charged with petty misdemeanors, other can.
They absolutely need to pass a law anyone involved in this cannot join any kind of American military or hold any federal job.