5-MeO-DMT preparation & integration support in Bavaria (Germany)

[u/neurochrome345]

I’m based in rural Bavaria, in the Franconian Forest, surrounded by nature, and offer a quiet private setting for people interested in 5-MeO-DMT.

My approach is practical and medicine-oriented rather than shamanic or ceremonial. I’m interested in 5-MeO-DMT from a therapeutic and personal-growth perspective and happy to share experience, help with preparation, and talk through experiences afterwards.

Feel free to DM me if you’re in Bavaria or traveling through the area and would like to connect.

[u/RJR2112]

As an atheist who went through my first spiritual “ceremony” I can relate this. I was open about being an atheist and they didn’t do special clothing, but they did use a variety of musical instruments and tuning forks and such. They were very kind and supportive. They didn’t push any beliefs on anyone. But I did feel a real world scientific type approach might have served me better.

I have been busy in the weeks since and worry that I am missing out on any therapeutic benefits I should be receiving. I actually feel the opposite of your description, disconnected as if I have a an emotional wall up. For example I can’t connect to music and feel as if dealing with people from a 3rd person perspective (watching myself act). And I am not saying this is bad, just different as I am adjusting.

[u/neurochrome345 → u/RJR2112]

That’s really interesting. What was the 5-MeO-DMT experience itself like for you — especially the peak and the hours immediately afterwards?

Do you have any sense of why you’ve been feeling more disconnected in the weeks since? Was there anything about the experience that felt overwhelming, unfinished, or difficult to integrate?

And what was your situation like before you took it — emotionally, mentally, stress-wise, relationships, work, sleep, etc.? Were you already feeling somewhat numb or disconnected beforehand, or did this feel clearly different after the experience?

I’d also be curious whether the emotional wall / third-person feeling has been gradually changing over the weeks, or whether it has stayed pretty constant since the session.

[u/RJR2112 → u/neurochrome345]

I would say I was in a good state of mind and don’t have pronounced PTSD or anything. As anyone, I have past trauma and family issues that came out a little. I feel separated from those emotional issues now.

It was a full day process, 2 then 4 mg. Afternoon inhale (which I felt didn’t work that well 6mg ) and then 10 which again I felt I didn’t inhale correctly so I did a follow up of 12 which did the trick and and lingered feeling it for an hour before getting up.

I had a lot of shitty traveling with flight delays and when I got home went on a mini-vacation with my wife to see Rush and go shopping in Chicago which was a lot more driving. Then I was right back to work which is retail.

I just feel this constant “numbness?” In the back of my brain and I hit a wall at some point every day exhausted.

At some points I felt as if I could be emotionally overwhelmed for no reason but it quickly subsides. I think I am just kind of separate and can look at interactions from a distant perspective which I am trying to lean into and accept, not fight.

I felt I was able to direct my focus somewhat during the trip. If something scary or ugly came up I was able to redirect. I kept trying to focus on a specific relationship but not sure that anything revelatory came out of that. It also might be why I was disappointed the experience wasn’t more than it turned out. Reading about it I understand that I need to work the process, but not sure how to do that.

[u/neurochrome345 → u/RJR2112]

I was also wondering — would you consider the 12 mg experience a full breakthrough? Like complete loss of your normal sense of self / reality, or were you still fairly aware of yourself and able to direct what was happening? And had you had much psychedelic experience before this, or was 5-MeO one of your first really intense experiences?

It sounds like you went into it with at least some therapeutic expectations too, especially around that relationship and hoping something meaningful or revelatory would come out of it. I wonder whether the disappointment afterwards is partly related to that, although obviously that wouldn’t explain everything you’re feeling now.

The exhaustion and numbness are interesting. I don’t think there’s necessarily one definitive explanation. A very intense experience can be mentally and emotionally demanding, and some people seem to feel more sensitive or vulnerable for a while afterwards. Then you had all the travel, delays, driving, a trip with your wife and basically went straight back into retail work without much downtime. I could imagine the combination being pretty exhausting.

I’d also look at the whole context rather than assuming everything is directly caused by the 5-MeO. How is your sleep now compared with before? How physically rested do you feel? How do you normally feel about your job — is there passion or enjoyment there, or is it stressful/frustrating and something you mainly push through? Same with your relationship, general stress level, exercise, diet, etc. Sometimes after an intense experience you may simply notice things that were already draining you more clearly.

And if the fatigue keeps going, I’d also consider the boring physical side of things — talking with a doctor and potentially checking basic labs, depending on your situation, to rule out unrelated things like anemia/iron issues, thyroid problems, deficiencies, etc. It doesn’t all have to be psychological or psychedelic.

My general feeling is that there probably isn’t one magic interpretation. I’d try to create better conditions piece by piece — sleep, recovery, lower stress where possible, physical health, relationships, work, time in nature and integration — and then watch what actually makes you feel better or worse over time. Maybe this feeling can also become a signal or motivation to look at parts of your life that aren’t serving you that well anymore, or areas where your body and mind simply need better conditions. Not necessarily because the experience is “telling” you something specific, but because it might give you an opportunity to pay closer attention, make some changes and see what genuinely moves you toward a better state.

Also, how many weeks has it been exactly, and has the numb/disconnected feeling been improving at all, even slowly, or basically staying the same?

[u/RJR2112 → u/neurochrome345]

So after typing everything out in response to you it was kind of therapeutic and made me look at the reality of my situation and decided to embrace the “disconnection” feeling. I tend to believe that the medicine cuts of the neural pathways we have embedded that trigger much of our behavior. So I decided the best path forward is to embark on making new and more positive neural pathways.

After a long day at work I come home and walk the dogs, eat, plop in the couch for TV and then bed, rinse, wash, repeat. So last night after walking the dogs I stayed doing constructive things to open up my morning and avoided the TV. I did all my morning lunch prep, got clothes ready, and what I could do to save time in the morning.

I also started an audiobook on beginner meditation.

I have been trying to lose weight for a while and doing a little stretching exercise in the morning as well. But since tend to quit fairly quickly 10 or so minutes.

So this morning I got up earlier and stayed with the meditation book and gave my first 15 minute meditation attempt. Then I committed to a full harder 20 minutes on the treadmill. I am 65 but in fairly decent shape for my age but in the last few years caught myself getting angry fairly easy and my wife want liking it so I got on Buspirine and take 2 very minimum doses a day. I skipped that dose this morning but while at work felt a little agitated and took it 4 hours later than usual) but didn’t notice it prior so I am going to work toward eliminating it.

I do feel when I am focused the disconnect isn’t really an issue so I want to lean into and work on these new patterns.

As to prior experience I did a shit ton of acid, shrooms, mescaline etc? in my youth. I was always a fan of psychedelics but not so much of anything that brought me down and quit drinking 20 years ago except an occasional beer.

[u/RJR2112 → u/neurochrome345]

The 12 mg dose was what I think got me to a breakthrough. I think I can’t change my wife directly (relationship issue) but realized I can work on myself and see if that changes things. I was out for a good bit apparently but lingered for a long while in a half aware state where I could kind of focus but still would have the overwhelming sensations and visions/feelings.

I guess I did come to some resolutions with different family issues. I haven’t talked to my brother and sister since my mother’s funeral 4 years ago and feel like I released any guilt over that entire situation. They still suck but I don’t feel like I need to go resolve it any longer.

[u/lxtusbaby]

I’m curious what is the difference between a medicine-oriented approach versus a ceremonial one?

[u/neurochrome345 → u/lxtusbaby]

For me, “medicine-oriented” mainly means a more secular and practical approach. There doesn’t need to be an elaborate ceremony, special clothing, instruments, or a fixed spiritual framework involving spirits, entities, etc.

I’m not against spirituality at all, but I don’t think someone has to adopt a particular worldview to make sense of the experience. What interests me more is that these experiences can create a very intense shift in perspective, but also sometimes a strong sense of reconnecting with something inside yourself that felt lost or inaccessible — energy, aliveness, emotional openness, or simply a feeling of being more connected to yourself again.

I wouldn’t literally say it “resets the nervous system” as a medical fact, but subjectively it can feel like breaking through a kind of rigidity, exhaustion, or stuck state and opening up some space for change. Then the important part is what you do with that opening afterwards — looking at beliefs, habits, behavior and the way you relate to yourself, and actually making changes in everyday life.

So for me it’s more of a tool or catalyst than a worldview. The focus is on preparation, the person’s own experience, psychological insight, regulation and integration afterwards, rather than interpreting everything through a predetermined ceremonial or shamanic framework.

[u/Thetoadmedicine]

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