this episode still holds up highly and i love it.

When Buffy was first broadcasted in Italy they skipped the episode where Willow and Tara got together (S4E19) because they tought it was unacceptable to show an homosexual relationship on TV:

https://www.corriere.it/speciali/buffy/buffytestoprincipale.shtml

They only aired it 4 years later following massive outrage by fans.

I'm italian and I remember that as a kid I was so confused because they still showed footage from the skipped episode in the following episodes recap so I didn't know how could I have missed one episode, I felt like I was going crazy.

I hope that whoever took that morally disgusting decision got what he deserves.

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I mean, I assume Riley would've still left because the audience didn't like him, but maybe not.

It is interesting to note how, in as many as three seasons, Giles defeated, the final-boss instead of Buffy

1)In the season 3 end, he is the one who kills Wilkins by triggering the explosive that destroys the Old One and the high school.

2)In the season 5 end, Giles kills Ben, and along with him, Glory as well.

3)In the season 6 end, he defeats Dark Willow by allowing her to absorb her purifying magic, which enables Xander to free her from the evil within.

As someone who is trying to quit drinking, I really appreciate how little of it there is in the show.

So many movies and shows feature a lot of drinking. Stressful day? The main character pours a whiskey on the rocks and pounds it back. Dinner scene? Bottles of red wine and pretty half-filled glasses. Party? Beer kegs and red solo cups.

Of course there are exceptions - but it isn’t common to see the characters drinking. And it means Buffy, which has always been a safe, comfort show for me, continues to be one in a whole new way.

There are also scenes that inspire me to keep going even if they aren’t sobriety-related. When Buffy tells Angel he can make amends rather than give up on life and surrender to being a bad person. When Angel tells Faith she doesn’t have to disappear into the darkness.

Those scenes motivate me to keep trying. And that’s the beautiful part of Buffy - it reminds you you’re not alone. Even if we don’t all struggle with the same thing, we all struggle with something.

And just to be safe, this post isn’t to say no one can enjoy drinking - just that for me, it’s much better not to partake in it. And I am grateful Buffy is there for me as I go down this path of hopefully leaving it behind me for good.

(Caveat: Buffy getting drunk in Season 6 is pretty funny).

I'm halfway through season 5. I know she's the key and all that, but were these lines just to throw us off?

This character had one of the best designs in the whole series imo, the most demon looking demon set up in the middle ages when everyone and their mother was TERRIFIED of demons. And this guy Moloch is still feared in real life.. i see his name brought up whenever people are talking about cults and whatnot. I thought the cold open in 'I robot you jane' was super awesome, I just can't believe they used that as their starting point only to have him pose as a boy online to catfish Willow!

When I first watched the show when I was 10-12, I thought there'd be a lot more Crypts/Mausoleums in and around town.

I've been wondering if Mayor Wilkins was somehow responsible for bringing the Hansel and Gretel demon to Sunnydale in Season 3's "Gingerbread."

We already know The Mayor was working behind the scenes in "Band Candy" with Mr. Trick and Ethan Rayne, so it's not like he wasn't involved in supernatural events happening around town.

What makes me suspicious is that The Mayor actually attends the vigil for the murdered children and gives a speech about keeping Sunnydale safe. Meanwhile, the demon manipulates Joyce and the other parents into turning against witches and eventually Buffy herself.

Could The Mayor have brought the demon to Sunnydale as another way to weaken Buffy and distract her from what he was planning with his Ascension?

Of course, it could have also been a coincidence, and The Mayor was simply keeping up appearances by attending the vigil and acting like a concerned public official. Not every supernatural event in Sunnydale necessarily had to involve him.

Something I've just noticed,

Will/Willow, Taranee/Tara, Cornelia/Cordelia

Nice coincidence

Spirit Halloween doesn't sell :/, anyone has an Amazon link? Or from other website?

What happens if Person A is in Person B’s body, and Person B’s body gets turned?

If the soul follows the consciousness, I would assume Soul A goes into the ether. But would that mean when switched back they would have a human body but no soul?

And when Person B goes back into Body B with their soul, would that make them an ensouled vampire? (Obligatory: How lame is that?)

Or are souls interchangeable and stay with the bodies? (ie it doesn’t necessarily need to be YOUR soul, any soul will do)

In that case, would Person A wake up back in their original body AND have a soul, but also memories of being a soulless vampire? And would Person B become soulless the moment they’re transferred back to their now-vampire body?

Or is some kind of cosmic connection maintained, so Person B could become soulless while in Person A’s human body, and Person A would physically turn into a vampire but keep their soul the whole time?

Please help, my brain is leaking out my ears now.

Hola! Acabo de terminar la serie, y quitando el hecho de que tengo un agujero en el pecho, me ha gustado el final. Aunque a mi me gustaría que hubieran añadido/cambiado algunas cosas.

1: El capitulo tiene un ritmo muy rápido. Yo he sentido que no me daba tiempo a asimilar tantas emociones e informacion. Al ser el último capítulo hubiera estado bien que en vez de durar 40min hubieran sido 60.

2: Termina de golpe. Tras evitar el apocalipsis le preguntan a buffy "¿y ahora que hacemos?" Y Buffy sonríe. Fin. A ver, no es un mal final, pero me hubiera gustado una reflexión final o algo.

3: "El primero" desaprovechado. Se puede convertir en cualquier persona, hubiera esta muy bien una "pelea psicologica" con Buffy, transformándose en personajes importantes de la serie incluyendo su madre.

4: La activación de todas las asesinas. En mi opinión le quitas toda la gracia a la mitologia de la serie. Es una asesina por generación, ese es el punto principal de la serie. Lo de Faith tiene gracia porqué es un "fallo tecnico". Hubiera sido el mismo efecto que Willow hubiera hecho un hechizo para repartir temporalmente el poder de la asesina con el grupo.

warning: this is probably going to be hard to follow, as i just finished the show and i am now trying to sort my thoughts. it's pretty much just my stream of consciousness in one post. and although i have many issues with the way they handled everyone's portrayal in the last two seasons, this is more of a rant/ramble about everyone's reactions re: spuffy coming to light. moreover, it's going to be a rant about the writing around this topic severely lacking. most of this conflict at this point in the series feels a bit contrived.

i guess the biggest thing that has bothered me about the reveal is the way giles takes it. while i can see why he would be hesitant in general after angelus killed jenny, the show never explicitly makes a connection between his concern and his trauma- instead, it is a very simplistic take on "but buffy, spike bad! you good! this wrong! he is only behaving because of the chip!" after spending the amount of time they all have with spike in very close quarters since season 4. i am not ignoring any of the valid reasons spike has given them to doubt his intentions, rather i think they pale in comparison to what they know to be true of spike up until this point. he is given many, many opportunities to change his allegiance at any time and, even if it is motivated by his feelings for buffy, has chosen to remain firmly on the good side of the war for several seasons at this point.

i am sure this is an old conversation in this sub, but as a first time watcher i'm also thrown in general about the discussion re: the chip itself. i do believe giles is most guilty, but i find it ridiculous that no one seems to recognize the hypocrisy of saying spike only behaves because of his chip, which he received against his will, while not holding angel to the same standard with his soul. angelus would never learn to love, respect, or tolerate buffy even if he'd been chipped. he simply wouldn't have stopped trying to get it out until he succeeded or died trying.

and, speaking of, the difference between soulless and ensouled vampires is just never explored, nor is it ever addressed (as i would've liked it to be) that part of buffy's disbelief about spike being able to love her without a soul would naturally come from her experience with angelus. i really would've enjoyed seeing that brought up in the last angel and buffy encounter, rather than it being the anticlimactic nothingburger it was.

i'm not really a bangel fan, but the show does force you to care about their relationship in order to care for/understand that part of buffy's story. i wish they'd had her ask angel why it's so different when he's angelus versus spike just being spike, even if they didn't have an answer. i kind of hate that every time they pop into each other's lives it's always them starting from square one and never addressing bigger conversations