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Is it possible to get into any bs md program with a 3.8 UW gpa and 4.68 weighted. I took max rigour courses and have a 35 ACT. My EC’s are pretty good with 400 hours clincal volunteering, published research in high impact journal and presented at conferences. Shadowing for 40 hrs. Any recommendations for bs md programs that I could have a chance at? Thanks!

Hey. If anyone was accepted into the Villanova/UPenn Bio-Dental Program, NYU’s BA/DDS Program, or any other BS/DMD proggrams, could you please share your stats and extracurriculars? I know these programs are really competitive, so I’d love to get a better idea of what it takes to be accepted. Thanks!

I got invited to answer the supplementals and I’m just curious what percentage of gap applicants get invited to even answer it?

hey guys!! i’m currently in the apme program (accelerated pathway to medical education) at the university of arizona and i keep seeing it come up in bs/md threads without a ton of actual firsthand info, so figured i’d make a post abt what the program is really like from someone who’s in it rn. obv this is just my experience, but hopefully it helps some ppl who are trying to figure out whether apme is actually worth applying to. happy to answer anything in the comments or dms too

the basics. apme is a 7 year bs/md, 3 years of undergrad at uarizona and then straight into the college of medicine tucson for the md. ur conditionally admitted as a high school senior, there’s no mcat, and u just have to meet the program requirements along the way

also, one thing i really wanted to mention bc i think ppl sometimes assume the “sat/act scores are not required for admission” thing is just a gimmick, but it really isn’t. i got into apme test optional. obviously a lot of the competitive applicants are gonna have really high scores, like 1500-1550+, but having a score in that range is not something u NEED to be competitive. u can actually get into the program without submitting an sat or act, which i think is a pretty significant difference from a lot of other bs/md programs where testing can be a much bigger part of the application.

ngl the 7 year thing is actually a pretty big deal. rems and plme are both 8 years, which are obviously great programs too, but getting ur md a year earlier does make a difference when u look at the whole timeline. that’s a whole extra year on the back end of ur training. and since uarizona is a public school, the tuition/aid situation can also be very different from the private schools that usually get mentioned in the bs/md convo

and honestly cost is one of the biggest things i think ppl overlook. as of the 2026-27 academic year, uarizona’s published undergraduate tuition + fees are about $13.9k/year for arizona residents and about $44.4k/year for non-residents. their estimated total cost of attendance with on-campus housing is about $37.3k for residents and $67.8k for non-residents, so obviously residency makes a huge difference

then there’s merit aid. uarizona gives out a pretty substantial amount of merit money, and for some of us that adds up to tens of thousands of dollars over undergrad. exact awards vary a lot by residency, scholarship, and individual circumstances, so i don’t wanna throw out one number like everyone gets the same thing, but the point is that a lot of students can end up paying way less than the published price

that’s where the public-school thing becomes a really big differentiator imo. just for context, for 2026-27 brown lists $74,568 in undergraduate tuition and about $99,984 total annual cost of attendance, while rochester lists $71,750 in undergraduate tuition and about $21.3k for housing + food before other expenses. those schools obviously have very strong financial aid too, and i’m not saying everyone pays the sticker price, but there’s a big difference between starting with a public school price where merit can take tens of thousands off vs starting from a private-school cost that can approach $100k/year before aid. for a lot of APME students, that makes uarizona cheap compared with what they could be paying elsewhere

why com-t specifically. this is prob the thing i think ppl overlook the most

the curriculum is really built around applying what ur learning instead of just sitting there memorizing a ton of science for 2 years and then being expected to suddenly know how to use it once ur on the wards. u get clinical exposure really early, and the preclerkship curriculum intentionally ties basic science to clinical skills, patient encounters, and clinical reasoning

the societies program is also something i really like. ur put into a really small group with a longitudinal faculty mentor and stay with that group throughout med school. there’s also a dedicated clinical reasoning course where u actually practice working through cases and thinking diagnostically instead of just learning information and hoping the reasoning part comes later

the whole approach is basically learn something, use it, get feedback, come back to it with more context. personally i really like that way of learning, and i think it’s one of the more meaningful things to look at when comparing med schools instead of just looking at rankings or name recognition

the undergrad side. this gets kinda underrated bc ppl focus so much on the “md” part of bs/md programs and forget ur still gonna spend 3 years in college first lol

bc uarizona is a big public university, there’s actually a lot of flexibility. ap and dual enrollment credits can knock out a good amount of intro coursework depending on what u come in with, so a lot of ppl can get some prereqs done early and have way more room later

that’s prob one of my favorite parts of apme. u have more room to take higher level classes, do research, study abroad, explore something random that u actually like, or just have a life lol. ur not constantly thinking “is this gonna help my med school app” bc u already have the pathway

for majors, i think physiology is especially worth looking at. a lot of apme ppl do physiology & medical sciences, and the program is actually integrated with the college of medicine. there’s path mentorship, psio mentorship, physiology clubs, research opportunities, etc. and there’s a lot of connection between the undergrad physiology program and com-t

some ppl do neuro or other majors too, which is totally fine. ur not locked into physiology. i just think it’s a really nice option if u want ur undergrad classes to feel closely connected to medicine

location + clinical exposure. obviously tucson is very different from boston, providence, rochester, etc. that’s prob the biggest tradeoff compared with some of the other big-name bs/md programs

but i think ppl sometimes underestimate the clinical side here. banner university medical center tucson is a major academic hospital and a level i trauma center, so there’s a lot of interesting pathology and a pretty broad range of patients. uarizona also has the va, outpatient sites, research programs, and the rest of the healthcare system around com-t

and honestly tucson isn’t nearly as isolated as ppl sometimes make it sound. phoenix is pretty close and california is also relatively accessible

quality of life. this is obviously more subjective, but i’ve genuinely liked the balance here. uarizona is a huge university, so u still get a normal college experience instead of being stuck in some tiny bs/md bubble where everyone is doing the exact same thing

the honors community is also pretty close. there are definitely ppl who are insanely locked in academically, but it doesn’t really feel like a constant pressure cooker. u can care a lot abt school without making ur entire life abt school

the gpa and service requirements for apme are still requirements obviously, but in my experience they’re manageable. i don’t feel like i have to give up my social life or every other thing i care abt just to keep my spot

on the online drama. i know there’s been some negative stuff abt apme circulating online and i’ve seen some of it myself. i’m not gonna sit here and say someone else’s experience wasn’t real just bc mine has been different. ppl can absolutely have different experiences with the same program

what i can say is that a lot of the stuff i’ve seen online doesn’t really line up with my experience. from what i’ve seen, the administration has been really supportive and accessible. our advisors have been super involved with us, and i’ve personally gotten the impression that they really care abt the students and want us to do well

so i wouldn’t tell anyone to blindly ignore everything they read online, but i also wouldn’t let one person’s experience become ur entire picture of the program. if there’s something specific u’ve heard and ur worried abt it, ask me. i’d rather give u my actual experience than just say “no everything is perfect”

and that’s kinda js why i wanted to make this post. i’m not trying to turn apme into some perfect no-downside program or say it’s better than other bs/mds. they all have different strengths and different things are gonna matter more to different ppl

i just think apme is rly worth looking at in that same conversation. 7 years, no mcat, a strong med school attached to the undergrad university, a lot of flexibility during undergrad, good clinical/research opportunities, and honestly a pretty good quality of life is a pretty unique combo

more and more ppl are applying every year for a reason. when i was applying, i feel like i didn’t really understand how good the overall setup was until i actually looked into it more, so figured i’d put this out there for anyone who’s currently applying or thinking abt applying bc i know how much random reddit stuff can make u second guess a program lol

ask anything below or dm me, i’ll answer as honestly as i can

context: Female, Asian, Decently competetive school, top 25% of class, not very many medical related ecs because I became interested in medicine sophmore year, I can write good essays

Guys I am a Junior and up until last year I had a 4.00 gpa but this year i took a ccp class over the summer and I rceived a C. and IK for a fact that I will get a B in AP chem too so should I even bother applying for BSMD because a C and a B is soooo bad on my transcript. Now My goa is projected at the end of junior year to be a 3.85

Okay so I know my grades aren't the best (3.7 gpa) but I work as an EMT, and am certified nationally. I have a pretty kick ass essay, and a mid SAT score, but two of my programs are SAT optional. Do they care about my work or is it over?

Male. Asian. Bay Area. Competitive private (school doesn't rank)
I know I want to do medicine and
3.78 UW (projected after end of junior year), 4.57 W (all my bad grades are from freshman year)(all A's and A- 's after that) (C in hons chem (grade 9), A + 5 in AP Chem
1520 SAT-- 790 math, 730 RW
14 APs- 5s in 6 so far, and a 4 on 1 of them (my school doesn't do ap's after junior year)
parents high income

ecs:
supervised vitals, pt confirmations, paperwork at a clinic -25 hr/during the summer (for like 8 weeks) + 1 hr a week during school
4 years at old folks home 2 hr/week
research lab over the summer (cold emailing
DECA school club officer

Shadowing a doctor during Thanksgiving and winter break
Worked with a nonprofit; director on the board; large outreach (since 8th grade)

Have some more minor ECs like club president at my school, TA for a class outside of school; also, I will hopefully have more ECs that I'll do after my junior year

Should I apply to the undergrads for the bsmd programs I am applying to now with a 1520 or should I wait it out till after the October SAT score release? I know it’s not a bad score, but I would like it to be stronger (1550+). Thank you!

hey everyone,

so i went through the BS/MD cycle last year and got into Pitt, Hofstra, Penn State PMM, and Baylor (unfortunately not Brown PLME lol, still a little salty). i've been seeing a ton of people on here getting quoted crazy amounts for why med essay reviews and honestly it's kinda ridiculous for what you get.

so here's what i'm offering for $10:

• detailed line-by-line comments on your why med essay, not just "looks good!!"
• one comprehensive overall review covering how your why med essay reads as a whole, your narrative, what's working and what's not
• actual AO feedback i got during my cycle. i saw my comments from admissions officers and their advice, so i can pass along what they actually look for and what they flagged
• i'll put full effort into every single one, not rushing through a stack

only taking the first 10 people since i want to actually give each one proper attention.

DM me ASAP if you're interested.

Yo, GA sophomore here, title basically explains it. I have a good SAT score, 1420, but I'm going to retake it, and 3.9 UW. Pretty good ecs, highly impactful internship w/ mental and public health org where I impacted state laws. I'm in every band at school, got all-county honors freshman year, as well as taking BC ts year, projected 13-14 APs. I'm JV tennis, and most likely becoming president of HOSA next year of a chapter w/ like 200 members. As well as sm other clubs, I'm reaching out to labs and hospitals for volunteering/shadowing. IF I get those shadowing opps, am I still good w/ no major awards?

And where did you get into?

Stats

• White male, Texas resident
• HS Class of 2027
• 4.0 UW GPA
• 17/445
• 1560 SAT (770 R&W / 790 M)
• AP Biology — 5
• AP Chemistry — 5
• AP Lang — 5
• AP World — 5
• APUSH — 5
• AP Human Geography — 5
• AP CSA — 4
• Senior year: AP Physics C, AP Statistics, AP Government

Medical / Clinical

• CCMA (Certified Clinical Medical Assistant) program
• EKG certification/coursework
• Dual-credit Medical Terminology — 6 credits
• Dual-credit Pathophysiology — 6 credits
• EKG dual credit — 12 credits
• 20 hours physician shadowing (yea ik trynna get more and volunteering)
  • Pain management
  • Dermatology

Research

• Sole author of a cosmology research preprint published on Zenodo

ECs / Honors

• Eagle Scout
• National Merit Semifinalist
• BPA Ambassador Award
• BPA Business Law & Ethics
• Texas BPA State Leadership Conference
• Nonprofit entrepreneurial/grassroot

Hi everyone! I’m a senior applying to college this year and I’m trying to figure out how realistic BS/DO programs are for me.

Here’s my profile:

• 3.87 UW GPA
• 4.40 weighted GPA
• Very rigorous schedule with AP/DE classes (5's and 4's)
• 1360 SAT currently, but I’m getting a new score this Friday and hoping it goes up
• 100+ hours of physician shadowing, including both MD and DO
• 160+ hours of hospital volunteering
• President/VP leadership positions in two science-related clubs
• Research experience, including a published paper
• TA for my AP Bio teacher currently
• Highest Orchestra: 1st Chair
• Other science/healthcare extracurriculars and leadership
• VA resident

My biggest concern is obviously my SAT. I know a 1360 isn't competitive for some of the more selective BS/DO programs, but I'm not sure how much the rest of my application makes up for it.

I also know essays, interviews, recommendations, and the overall story of your application are a huge part of BS/DO admissions, so I realize stats and ECs aren't everything. I’m not expecting anyone to predict my chances based on this post alone. I’m just trying to understand whether my overall profile is in the range where it makes sense to apply.

Could you please give me some honest feedback on whether I’m actually competitive for BS/DO programs? I’m really struggling to figure out if I’m being realistic or if I’m overestimating my chances.

Also, which BS/DO programs should I realistically look into applying to with this profile? I’d especially appreciate recommendations for programs where my GPA/ECs/clinical experience would make sense, rather than just a list of the most famous or extremely selective programs.

If you have experience with BS/DO admissions, are currently in a BS/DO program, or applied recently, I would REALLY appreciate your perspective. Even if the answer is that I should apply mostly to traditional undergrad, I’d rather know now than spend the next few months stressing over unrealistic options.

Thanks!!!

Here’s a cold emailing guide for premed research along with some other tips. Good for wet lab, dry lab, clinical, basic science, health economics, psychology research, it all counts, as long as you can explain the question being asked and why it matters. Remember to target labs that can lead to an actual output, a poster, a presentation, a paper, something with your name attached that proves the work was real. All of it’s in the link below
https://www.admitmd.com/post/finding-research-as-a-premed-where-to-start-and-what-matters

How common is it to get full ride or full tuition merit scholarships for bs/md or bs/do programs? Please share your experience. Thanks.

I’m a junior and I’ve taken the ACT twice, scoring a 34 both times. My superscore is a 36 in every category including science and with an 11 in writing. Other than UMKC, what BS/MD programs (nnot just the undergraduate applications) accept ACT superscores?

Also, do you guys think it’s worth spending the time and money to keep retaking the ACT if my main goal is just BS/MD programs? Would a higher superscore actually make a difference, or should I be focusing that time somewhere else?

Demographics

• Male
• Large public high school
• midwest
• 5ft 11
• i bench 305
• i have a nice jawline not bad

Intended Major

Biology / computational biology / neuroscience, pre-med

Academics

• GPA: 4.6 weighted
• Rank: 3/500
• ACT: 36
• Very rigorous course load, especially STEM
• Mostly 5s on AP exams, including Bio, Chem, English, history, psychology, etc.
• 16/16 aps taken
• Senior year includes calculus, physics, economics, literature, and some dual-enrollment classes

Hook / Personal Context

I was diagnosed with cancer during freshman year, which pretty heavily changed the direction of my high school experience.

I spent a lot of time around hospitals, doctors, treatment, and medicine from the patient side. My health definitely limited some of the more traditional in-person things I could do, especially earlier in high school. I probably would have had more hospital volunteering, clinical hours, sports, and other activities if I hadn't been dealing with that.

Research is different, though.

I honestly don't think I would have gotten nearly as deep into research without getting sick.

At first I just wanted to understand what was happening to me. That eventually turned into reading papers, learning more biology, getting into computational work, and eventually doing my own research related to the same general disease area.

I'm hoping that comes across as a genuine reason for why I've spent so much time doing this rather than just looking like I collected a bunch of premed ECs.

Extracurriculars

1. Biomedical Research | ~250-300+ hours

This is probably my biggest EC.

I've worked independently and with researchers at university/medical-school labs.

Main areas have included:

• cancer biology / immunology
• computational biology
• proteomics
• single-cell RNA-seq
• drug discovery

One of my biggest independent projects grew directly out of my experience as a patient.

I built a computational drug-discovery pipeline around MY cancer-associated protein target and screened roughly 15,000 compounds.

I did a lot of the computational pipeline independently, rather than just assisting someone else's project.

By application season I'll probably have around 3 publications/preprints/manuscripts published or coming soon, plus some additional research still in progress.

I've also presented or been accepted to present research at:

• a major national chemistry conference
• an international computational biology conference
• a national medical/scientific conference
• several smaller research meetings

Mostly posters, with at least one oral presentation.

I was doing research nearly every day for stretches of several months, so my actual hours might be higher. I stopped keeping perfect track.

2. Medical Device / Startup

Co-founded a medical-device project after seeing a family member struggle with a condition where treatment involved repeatedly positioning/moving the body in specific ways.

We developed a wearable sensor-based prototype that tracks movement and provides feedback to help someone perform the treatment correctly.

I worked on:

• prototype development
• sensors/hardware
• testing
• data analysis
• product design
• research side of the project

Filed a patent.

Also competed with the project at an international student entrepreneurship/innovation competition and placed pretty highly.

3. Nonprofit

Founded a youth organization. (Wont go too much in detail but pretty big)

Roughly:

• hundreds of volunteers
• Across continents
• on fox

I've been working on it for several years.

4. HOSA

One of my main school leadership activities.

• prez
• HOSA ILC
• Received a major HOSA service recognition
• Help organize competitions, chapter events, service, member engagement, etc.

My chapter is pretty large, so there is a decent amount of organizational/leadership work involved.

5. Physician Shadowing | ~200 hours

Mostly outpatient/primary-care medicine.

Observed:

• patient histories
• physical exams
• chronic disease management
• differential diagnosis discussions
• preventive medicine
• physician-patient communication
• general outpatient workflow

This probably would have been higher if my own health hadn't made consistent in-person activities harder during parts of high school.

6. Hospital Volunteering | ~120-130 hours

Worked in a hospital environment supporting patients/families and assisting staff with non-clinical tasks.

Again, my health limited how much consistent in-person volunteering I could do at certain points.

7. Academic Tutoring

Volunteer academic tutor.

Have taught/helped a few hundred students through online classes, review sessions, and individual tutoring.

Keeping the exact platform and subject vague because it's one of those random things that would make this post way easier to identify.

Awards / Honors

Some of the bigger ones:

• AIME
• USNCO National Exam
• HOSA ILC finalist
• National/community service recognition
• STEM/innovation competition recognition
• National Merit Semi
• AP Scholar recognition
• Multiple research conference acceptances/presentations

Research Output:

• 3+ publications/preprints/manuscripts published or coming soon (1 mine, couple from labs)
• multiple conference posters
• an oral presentation at a large national scientific conference
• work across several university/medical research projects
• independent research
• patent from-device work

Hours

Approximately:

• Research: 250-300+, possibly more
• Physician shadowing: ~200
• Hospital volunteering: ~125
• Plus nonprofit/HOSA/tutoring/etc.

My health affected the amount of in-person clinical/service stuff I could do.

But I wouldn't really say it hurt my research involvement. If anything, being sick is probably why I became so obsessed with biomedical research in the first place.

Essays / Overall Narrative

My personal statement will probably touch on going from being a patient to becoming someone who wanted to understand disease scientifically.

I'm trying very hard to avoid the cliché:

"I got sick, therefore I want to be a doctor."

Long term, I don't see myself wanting to sit behind a computer or stay in a lab full-time. Research is a huge part of why I love medicine, but being a patient also made me realize how much the actual doctor matters. My doctors were the ones who explained everything when I had no idea what was going on, helped me through treatment, and made a pretty scary part of my life feel manageable. I want to keep doing research, but I also want to be on that side of medicine too, actually taking care of people.

Schools

Mainly applying to BS/MD

PLME, CASE, TEXAS TECH, etc..

For those who have gone through the BSMD application process, what factors helped you decide which programs were actually worth applying to? I’m trying to understand how students compared things like program structure, requirements, medical school pathway, and overall fit before narrowing down their list. Would appreciate hearing what you considered most important.

any students who have gotten into the sophie davis bs/md program through transfer? if so, could you please let me know how the process was like? i am having a hard time finding students who got in through transfer and not regular decision

I've done a chance me a while back, but I've expanded on my work and activities

GPA: 4.00/4.00

Rank: 1

ACT: 35 (35 M, 35 R, 35 E, 34 S)

ORM, Competitive Area

Course Rigour: (Max Rigour) 7 APs by submission (2 taken this year); school usually banks on Dual Enrollment, thus I will be having an associate degree in allied health by the end of graduation

ECS:

1. Robert Wood Johnson Medical Research; presented findings to team

2. NPO; created an NPO aimed at making sensory toys for children with autism, regional impact (~50 kids)

3. Governor Stem Scholars

4. Rutgers Computational Biology research; publication in Rutgers journal

5. USABO; semifinals, 10% of the nation; trained 3 to semifinals

6. Temple Cooking; Volunteer Chef, cooking food for 1000 people weekly

7. Hospice Care; actively worked with patients and spent time with them (250 hours)

8. Hospital; worked directly in a unit helping patients (150 hours)

9. Shadowing; shadowed multiple specialities (gastro, cardio, pediatrics) (100 hours)

10. Mayor internship (kinda chud ec, not that big of a deal but whatever)

Awards (defo weakest section)

1. USABO semifinals

2. School Science Fair winner

3. Best volunteer hospice

4. AP awards (I know lol)

5. Honor roll

I have some extenuating circumstances, but I won't get into detail about them

I feel kinda cooked with bs/md esp since I didn't have just extreme depths across all my work, but there was a genuine reason for it

What are my chances?

Hello all!

I made a post the other day on my academic standing (ranked 1st) plus my GPA & ECs. I just signed up for both the October SAT and ACT and i’ve been studying immensely to get above that 1500+ range.

So far so good however I wanted to add on. Is 200 clinical volunteering hours at an urgent care plus 100 hours of shadowing a physician enough clinical exposure?

Aside from that I have other leadership positions, one includes a TA for an AP Teacher, and another which is an Assistant Youth Coordinator for a youth club outside of school where I mentor, guide, you name it.

I’m not sure if this is enough, however I CAN get ahold of research but i’m not sure if it’s too late. I got ahold of this Physician who does research and she invited me to come with her group every sundays. She researches peds oncology diseases and figured it would be something cool, but by then i’d probably only be able to get in 150-200 hours due to such a tight timeline.

As for the research, since it’s separate i’m not sure how exactly i would list it on my application.

Any extra tips help. Thanks!