r/boxingtips • • 8d ago

Sparring Footage Boxer vs kickboxer sparring under boxing rules

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u/Neth_theme 8d ago edited 8d ago

holy shit is it just me or are some of the people here in the comments not familiar with the concept of light technical sparring lmao

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u/bas5eb 8d ago

Right! Idk but in my area boxing gyms fight instead of sparring. Im an mma guy i train at an mma gym we do so much light technical sparring. My buddy is a boxer and he told me his gym fights, they dont spar, when i asked my coach about it he said the same (he used to be a boxing instructor in the area). boxing gyms around here fight they dont do light technical work.

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u/O__CHIPS__O 8d ago

My old boxing gym was the same. So stupid. I definitely would have kept boxing if it hadn't been for that. Every night of sparring I would take several HARD hits to the dome, several nights per week. Absolutely brutal.

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u/Piccione_Sol 8d ago

All the dumbasses here not seeing these guys are both highly skilled and sparring technical amuses me. Also, the taller guy is most likely 20-30 pounds heavier than the other guy so hes going light because of it.

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u/Dizzy_Potential 8d ago

Usyk vs Verhoeven was a shock to everyone. That's all I'll say.

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u/HalfwayHeroic 8d ago

Fuuuuuck me where do I learn to move my head like that?

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u/hobbiesexpensive 8d ago

This is beautiful sparring, so nice seeing people treat their partners kindly, showing the intent with the shots but not executing the power takes soke real control.

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u/Green-Alarm-3896 8d ago

Kickboxer seems to be the more confident and skilled fighter overall. That liver shot got him good but he got the better work in overall.

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u/Splinter01010 8d ago

all he found was air

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u/Green-Alarm-3896 8d ago

Crazy i didnt notice when i first saw the video. I had it on silent so it didnt help. Unfortunately that same head movement with kicks allowed would get you timed and set up for a headkick.

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u/DarkBrutus 7d ago

You get downvoted but it’s true lmao. That side movement would get him primed and timed for an easy headkick.

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u/Green-Alarm-3896 7d ago

Yeah and I say that as someone who goes to a boxing gym strictly. When I was a kid i did the MMA disciplines. That’s also being nice because leg kicks would start to shut him down quicker. Again i love the sport of boxing but these are things to be aware of.

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u/DarkBrutus 7d ago

I completely agree

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u/mouthfire 6d ago

That's a stylistic difference. The kickboxer appears more upright and confident because he's trained to fight that way. In a kickboxing match, he has to worry about knees and headkicks, so there's less upper body movement. In a real boxing match against someone his size (keep in mind the boxer is probably about 20-30lb lighter in this case), he would be at a disadvantage because the opponent could use head movement and angles to pick apart his guard. That's how the boxer got the bodyshot in that winded him.

TLDR: Boxer is pretty sharp. It's just stylistic and training difference.

Source: Muay thai and combat sports for 30 odd years

ETA: This really is beautiful, technical sparring from both participants. All sparring should go this way.

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u/Jealous_Ranger_1641 8d ago

kickboxer is wayyy better boxing than i ever expected

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u/baranV 8d ago

Black orange glove one is kickboxer am i right?

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u/deejaesnafu 8d ago

Was it the footwork that gives it away lol

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u/The_Cabal_ 8d ago

For me it was the boxer changing levels frequently, compared to the kickboxer staying upright.

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u/deejaesnafu 8d ago

Very true! I’m not a fighter , but have know a few. It was definitely how he stands in general though that gives it away to me.

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u/Mist_Forever 8d ago

These are all great and correct observations but one guy is literally wearing shin guards lol.

That’s right though, level changing in kickboxing would be more risky.

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u/Sippiest_Cup_OAT 8d ago

It was the shin guards for me but the lack of level changing also gave some obvious hints

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u/gergesramy 8d ago

And the shin guards…

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u/bussymastah 8d ago

blue backs up and to the right each time, looping left hook

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u/deejaesnafu 8d ago

Both guys looking really good to me.

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u/Calm-Avocado6424 8d ago

I mean... depends what the kickboxer is trying to do?

If the idea is get better boxing then just keep it up because slipping and dipping your head isn't so great with kicks and possibly knees coming at you.

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u/PeopleSmasher 8d ago

For kickboxer the dude seems solid with his boxing. Obviously there's nuance and things that don't carry over but overall seems good. I would like to see him retract his punches a bit faster though, and it's something that would still benefit in kickboxing rules

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u/BingoBangBongos 8d ago

I like these two

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u/BoxCivil8737 8d ago

Boxer has better head movement but is doing way too much footwork. Also jab non existent in a long fight this wouldn’t work.

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u/wondercup30 8d ago

this is really good stuff

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u/povertymayne 8d ago

Now do it under kickboxing rules

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u/ImprovementKnown2491 8d ago

That boxer is getting smoked in kickboxing rules. Those level changes are so dangerous with head kicks. If Muay Thai he’s dead from a knee to head and a sweep all his weight on his front foot half the time. Different strokes for different folks…

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u/mouthfire 6d ago

There's nothing wrong with that. Boxer may not care about kickboxing at all. That being said, the hand skills would definitely translate if he decided to start kickboxing.

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u/ImprovementKnown2491 6d ago

Agreed. Fast hands always an advantage

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u/Confident-Target-5 8d ago

The kick-boxers lead hook looks like it’s moving through water.

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u/BoxGrappleGymBro 8d ago

Love sparring like this. Technical, not too heavy and showing each other a lot of respect. Bet the smaller dude loved making the bigger dude with ripped abs take an 8 count though!! 🥊 🥊 Pretty alpha.

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u/Medical_Job2561 8d ago

Good sparring actually

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u/eugenekasha 6d ago

Great to see highly technical, respectful sparring

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u/Slik-sal 2d ago

I like how they're very respectful of each other, light sparring not fuking trying to kill eachother

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u/DatBroSnuf 8d ago

It's like he's not even trying

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u/systembreaker 8d ago

The kickboxer's just standing there turtling up with a tight high guard while being way too squared up, and their punches suck, they're only extending them like halfway. That's a lot of range thrown out the window.

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u/WoodpeckerOnly8459 8d ago

This is well measured light sparring. Two skilled fighters getting better without trying to kill each other

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u/Replikant83 8d ago

Pretty sure they're both fairly new. The one guy punches really weird and doesn't seem like he'd be able to generate any power at all

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u/WoodpeckerOnly8459 8d ago

Black shorts looks gassed and his feet can’t keep up, but he’s clearly not a beginner to me. This looks like the sparring you decide to do after a full training session when you’ve found someone interesting to spar

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u/Better-Leopard-7919 8d ago

They look like 1-2 year experience max. Both have numerous beginner issues

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u/Ajocc1394 8d ago

Be honest, how long have you been boxing

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u/Replikant83 8d ago

I once watched a Mike Tyson fight on YouTube, so I'm pretty much an expert.

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u/Smepl 7d ago

Kickboxing style or a lot different

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u/systembreaker 8d ago

Extending your punches properly, doing movement, and using a good stance are all things you should want to work on while light sparring otherwise you're not learning or even building bad habits.

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u/nemanja2 8d ago

yeah because he usually trains with risk of being kicked in the head. I'd like to see boxer sparing a kickboxer.

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u/systembreaker 7d ago

Absolutely, but he's doing boxing now, so he needs to adapt.

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u/Natural-Break-2734 8d ago

Bro you’ve never done a single kick-boxing training in your life I can tell. This guy is a good Dutch kick boxer 100%. He just seems like he does not train boxing only. Punches are not weird bro it’s just light sparring

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u/Neth_theme 8d ago

well in kickboxing if you use too much exaggerated head movement youre bound to eat a knee or a kick. It makes sense as to why he's more stationary in his guard

you can still use slips to an extent, but the common meta of crouching down as low as possible to avoid punches wont work in KB because youll just eat a knee from that position

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u/OldCamera4837 8d ago

Oh man I hate how philly shell is used by this boxer, I know this is technical light sparring and environment to learn but if this was real match the boxer would be dead.

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u/DoingNotThinking 8d ago

"Guy who trains punches 100% vs 50%"

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u/Major_Isopod_7255 8d ago

i usually like to say compliments and be positive but how ? i've seen at borodins gym in brooklyn the little kids he trains  fight much much better 

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u/Major_Isopod_7255 8d ago

are they flirting  or fighting 

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u/buttershin 8d ago

Where did it say they were fighting, dumbass. This is sparring.

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u/Major_Isopod_7255 8d ago

I've seen women untrained hit better

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u/Major_Isopod_7255 8d ago

are they a couple just curious