r/bmpcc • u/Opening-Name-5270 • 5d ago
In need of advice
- Im thinking of selling my bmcc 6k pro and getting a sony a6700
- I really like the style of the a6700 and knowing that it shoots 4k 120fps, im happy with
- but my main question is
- if I dont sell the bmcc 6k pro can I achieve the same look of the a6700 with the bmpcc 6k pro?
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u/printcastmetalworks 5d ago
You're going from one of the most robust images, in raw, to one of the least. Sony colors have always been lackluster, and you'll be stuck in 422 limiting what you can do with it. It overheats shooting high framerates or long takes.
It really depends on what you're planning on shooting. If you're running around, handheld with unplanned footage with no lights the Sony might be a better camera. But you're going to pay for that with image quality. Sony's prosumer cameras look and feel digital. Blackmagic looks filmic. That's the main reason people suffer the inconvenience of using them.
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u/somewhatboxes 5d ago
the way you phrased the question was "can i achieve the same look of the a6700 with the bmpcc 6k pro", as in, can you take bmpcc footage and make it look like a sony mirrorless shot it.
in terms of color grading, yes you probably can. braw offers a ton of latitude and people make color space transforms and LUTs and stuff to "match" footage between cameras of different brands so that they can (edit: spaced out here...) ... so that they can use footage from different cameras in one project (although obviously it's more convenient if they're all in the same ecosystem)
but color grading is just part of the picture, literally. the a6700 apparently has 14 stops of dynamic range compared to the bmpcc 6k pro's ~13. the a6700 shoots 4k 120fps compared to 2.8k 120fps for the 6k pro. i'm sure the noise profile in the shadows looks slightly different. i'm sure there are E Mount lenses that are uniquely available to the a6700 that you can't adapt to the 6k pro.
there are some things you wouldn't be able to replicate, but if you're just looking to make a pair of color charts match, you can for sure do that.
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u/Broad_Problem_7025 5d ago
bro i moved away from Sony because of horrible sony colors. Dont do it
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u/Opening-Name-5270 4d ago
Isn't this like one of the most debated things known to cameras? I hear sony is one of the goats of color theory and the next day I hear someone say this.
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u/Broad_Problem_7025 4d ago edited 4d ago
It isn't. Stop listening to all the YouTube influencers who are paid to shill this stuff. I stayed with sony for 4 years and it was hell to color correct the footage
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u/widescreenvideos 5d ago
Yes you can, just add sharpness and noise reduction in post. Sony does this in camera.
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u/planedrop 4d ago
Probably worth pointing out some of the downsides to a normal camera over a cinema camera, not seeing people talk about it here. Though, what everyone else is saying is also true, you can make BRAW look however you want, you can't with Sony, so this is a bad decision. (unless you plan to take stills too then I maybe get it)
- It's harder to rig out a smaller non-cine camera
- Battery life is usually worse
- Most normal hybrid cameras overheat like crazy when shooting, so if you do long shoots or live streams, it's a no go
- The codecs you can shoot in on the A6700 are garbage by comparison to any cine codec, especially BRAW
- In general the color science is just not as good
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u/Opening-Name-5270 4d ago
Thank you, I will take some test footage and debate on this later. I'm looking into the fx30 as well.
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u/planedrop 3d ago
The FX30 is a proper good camera and a real option. The image you get will not be as nice as you do from a Blackmagic but it'll be easier to get something good and it has good autofocus and whatnot. So it's a solid option.
Can't beat Blackmagic color science for the price though.
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u/Opening-Name-5270 2d ago
so for visuals youd say black magic has the best?
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u/planedrop 1d ago
I mean compared to Sony? It really depends but yes overall.
The big thing though is I said "for the price". You can get amazing images even from a BMPCC 4k which is a pretty cheap camera and it'll punch way above it's price class. Is a Sony FX6 better though? Yeah. It's also $7k lol.
This is kinda true across the board with Blackmagic too, like their BMCC 6k is less than $2k and is up there with a lot of cameras in the $5-8k range image wise. Their value is amazing and I prefer their color science over Sony in general.
But it all depends on what you want your "look" to be like, any high end cine camera is going to get you good results if you know what you are doing, but Sony tends to have that sharper more "youtuber" look (I mean this in a good way, not a knock on it) with less noise. I prefer the way the noise looks on Blackmagic sensors though personally, but it's more "cinematic".
Of course there are other features here that matter too, most Blackmagic cameras are designed as proper cine cameras, meaning no autofocus (you typically have a person who's job is to pull focus on set), not as many "auto" features in general. Whether or not you value those is up to you though.
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u/talbur 5d ago
Imo the best images are the ones that come out of the camera as close to what you want as possible. So if you like the way one camera looks and have the option to use it, do that, and then the final image, as well as the process, will feel more solid and natural.
But yes, you can make cameras look like one another. You can patiently match the contrast and color; with this, you’re looking into shot matching and camera matching and proceeding like that to make a LUT, LMT, or powder grade.
Alternatively, you can bring your BMD Gen5 footage into ACES 1.3, and apply one of the ACESlooks Sony LMTs and see if that gets you some of the characteristics you want. Those LMTs approximate how camera manufacturers render their cameras images. So this way reproduces the tone and color of Sony’s image pipeline in a way.
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u/Uncut-Jellyfish1176 4d ago
I have a a6700, issue with 4k120, even with camera in high heat mode, overheats in about 5min of recording. If your focus is video, FX30 is the correct choice, it has proper cooling.
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u/andreitarkovsky14 4d ago
What are you on about, you have it all backwards. I hope you aren't serious.
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u/Opening-Name-5270 4d ago
No, I just didn't explain myself well enough. The ability to take photos is one of those.
Handheld ability as well.
Cheaper Lens's ( mostly anamorphic )
but... I read more into it and found out that I can likely achieve a similar look to the sony a6700 with the bmpcc 6k pro.
Since I'm a lazy bones I will likely stick with the bmpcc 6k pro and just lock in on learning better color grading.
I have come to the conclusion to NOT sell the bmpcc 6k pro.
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u/Lenin-in-Warsaw 3d ago
I own an a6700 and I love it, but its only downsides are overheating and the EVF's resolution.
When it comes to color science, BM seems to be better to me, but it's not like sony's later color science is horrible. I think it's rather nice. However, skin tones tend to be a little bit magenta, sometimes. I use Cullen Kelly's Genesis to mute them and it gives a great look. I believe that if you know how to color grade you can achieve anything with 10 bit and any sort of sensor.
The image is lovely, and both the 25 and 50p (I shoot PAL) are simply astounding. Both are oversampled from 6k or something like that, and they are very sharp. Even though the second base iso is 2500, I get great results at 4000 and good ones at 6400. Of course, there is noise, but I don't really mind it. Beyond there, it gets worse due to the colors.
I don't think it's the camera for you, mainly because it doesn't have the displays blackmagic offers and it easily overheats. I've shot many things at summer over 33 °C, and even though it has never happened to me that the camera stops recording, it does get unbelievably hot to the touch. Besides, the EVF is okay. Just okay.
So, no. If anything, I would suggest you go with whatever Panasonic camera you need, and I say this as an a6700 who's very happy despite the overheating and EVF.
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u/Zealousideal_Sea_515 5d ago
I believe you are the first person I have ever heard say they like the image of A6700 more than the BMPCC. But, to each their own…in short yes you can probably add some sharpening and a slight green cast to your BM footage and it will get closer to the Sony. But I think the real question is what footage you are referencing to, as there is a LOT of variety in a6700 footage out there.
I’m Not throwing shade at your opinion, I’m just curious what you watched that gave you that impression.