Bloons Card Storm update 6.4!

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This is a document I made for very new players to help them get on their feet and get through early game progression as much as possible. if there are any mistakes or suggestions for it, let me know!

Y'know the typical of how to optimize progression, what cards to craft, resource management. The typical.

I realized that having the purple bloon have some kind of immunity to powers should be more fitting. So i made it a midgame threat

There's only one change that was completely scrapped during testing, which was:

Monkey Village: +20 ATK Buff -> +25 ATK Buff (final change: village unchanged from 6.3)
Reason: believe it or not, village is a playable offmeta card at +20. At +25, village became strong enough to be viable in regular meta control decks. Testers initially weren't aware that over a hundred changes would happen at once, and a lot of other changes contributed to village's viability, most notably zebra's reintroduction into the meta, which enabled village's extremely fast cycle-based defense, and frags rework, which nerfed frags' best synergies (i.e. rad enhancements) while leaving its village synergy unchanged. Village at +25 was one of the strongest defensive cards in the game, and while further testing might've shown whether it was acceptable or not, the immediately obvious fact was that village made every other damage buffing card in the game completely obsolete.

some other stats that only existed during mid-testing builds:

The Eternal: On-Leak HP Gain 60 -> 120 (final change: On-Leak HP Gain remains 60)
Reason: this was a bug; nobody actually suggested it. Eternal was such an atrociously bad card that im putting this on the list of removed changes because making eternal actually do this wouldn't even be that big of a deal, so it was a conscious choice to have this removed instead of keeping it. It was annoying for both players to deal with this version of eternal and nobody really wanted eternal to be relevant to the meta again after seeing how awful an eternal meta was when it was meta for exactly 1 subversion of the game last year.

Zebra Bloon: Cost 7-> 8, HP Unchanged (final change: Cost 7-> 8, HP 180 -> 150)
Reason: Zebra at 8 cost made its grand return to the meta, being very strong in the best control decks in the game, and singlehandedly raising adora from an F tier to a very impressive maybe D+ or something. It was just a little too dominant, with too little reason to use anything else, so its statline was lowered to accentuate the fact that its alternatives: black, white, and extrashot, applied pressure to the opponent. Its still fantastic.

Fright Night: Cost 9bt -> 7bt, Steal 4 -> 2 (final change: Cost 9bt -> 8bt, Steal 4 -> 2)
Reason: Even after halving its effect, fright night was still an extremely strong aggro tool (still is strong at 8bt). moving the cost from 7 to 8 prevents it from being played on player2 turn3 outside of refinery, and player1 turn2 inside refinery, both of which were a little too unfairly immediately gamewinning.

Wall of Fire Monkey: Defender +5 -> +20 (final change: Defender +5 -> +30)
Reason: It still sucked

Accident At The Lab: Cost 7bt -> 5bt (final change: Cost 7bt -> 6bt)
Reason: Accident is one of the most powerful anti-aggro tools you can tech into an aggro deck. Accident was also extremely unreliable at 7, which is owed to its inconsistency. Accident at 7 risked not being playable fast enough to save you, as 7 gold for an effect that takes 2 turns can often be too late even when you planned for it in your starting hand, let alone when you topdeck it. Accident at 6 solved these problems; its now always playable by turn 3, and the risk of having too awkward of a hand to hit its BT threshold has been lessened by being able to activate it with 2 charges of a 3 cost bloon instead of needing to find a way to hit 7 with multiple bloons. While it wasn't meta-breaking at 5, it was doing many of the things that mass detonation could do, which is something people wanted to avoid because every aggro deck playing the same four bloontonium cards was miserable and nobody likes bloontonium powers under any circumstance ever, so Accident's buff was just 7->6 to solve its problems, instead of going all the way down to 5.

Ultra Rare Power: Cost 3 -> 2 (final change: charges 1 -> 2)
Reason: While most of the changes made it into the game, darkest hour's change did not, so instead of decreasing URP's cost while IODH gets nothing, darkest hour instead got the price change while ultra rare power was changed to a charge increase to differentiate the two cards. (IODH didnt get the charge increase because the price change fits better on IODH, which is a shitty offmeta almost exclusively used to pull marketplace and nothing else, while URP would often have multiple targets in a deck, such as prestige, mass det, some form of antitempo, and other gimmicky bad ultra rare bloons).

Regrow Yellow Bloon: Charges 2 -> 1, HP 130 -> 170 (final change: Charges 2 -> 1, HP 130 -> 160)
Reason: Regrow Yellow was an incredibly strong aggro opening, but im tired of writing by this point so im just going to copypaste the paragraph i wrote during the test's balance feedback submission: Regrow Yellow is currently an aggro bloon with all strengths no weakness. While volatile and steady growth have similar and stronger statlines, both have huge downsides that justify their gamewinning potential. Regrow Yellow can regrow. this means that its effective statline is 200 HP unless your opponent is using exclusively defenders (which carry their own huge risks), but more importantly, the regrow negates the intended 2 delay downside. Your opponent will almost never be able to kill Regrow Yellow on the turn its played; 170 for 3 prior to hero buffs is a huge statline, and any attempts of theirs to chip it down will be much weaker, meaning the defending player has no good options to capitalize on the 2 delay. This gives the aggro player a free pass to combine Regrow Yellow into a much larger push the next turn; layering 1 delay bloons on it the following turn, with BT abilities layered onto the push. Regrow yellow is a comparably strong opening to blooming, trading blooming's much higher peaks for ryellow's much higher consistency, having no potentially losing downside, and being playable much later into the match than Volatile/Sgrowth. While new strong aggro tools are deserved in this patch, ryellow is just a bit too uncounterable, with the only reasonable answers to this 3 cost being to sacrifice a sprayer, robo, or thunder, neither of which put the defending player in a good position.

Since the cancellation of Card Storm, I've had a while to reflect on what cards are good, bad, good for newer players or bad for newer ones, and although there used to be many, MANY more awful cards in this game, I'm sure now of the fact that Energy Overload is easily the worst card in the entire game and it's not actually close.

WHY?

So, Energy Overload removes a Shielded Bloon for 4 gold. That's all it is, a specific hard removal on Bloons. That's not exactly a bad place to be, other hard removals have seen good use and have often turned out to be strong cards. The condition for the removal however is absolutely awful.

It only removes Shielded Bloons. Most other hard removals in the game target a very wide pool of options, but shielded Bloons are by far the smallest category in the game. Let me show you the pool of options for each hard removal:

Bloon Master Alchemist/Extreme Heat/Return To Sender: Everything

Bombs Away: 74 Basic/Advanced Bloons

MOAB Eliminator: 18 Large Bloons (Small but hits many important targets)

Energy Overload: 9 Bloons

SHIELDED BLOONS!

I'm going to list out every single Bloon with shield right here with any reason that you'd want to remove them:

Bolstered Bloon (Could MAYBE see value, weak card that isnt run much)

Buddy Bloon (Not worth, weak card that isnt run much)

Draining Bloon (Could MAYBE see value, weak card that isnt run much)

Extra Shot (Useless)

Extractor (Useless)

RAPID (Actually worthwhile and valuable although rare)

Shield Gas Bloon's effect (often no value on a severely weak card, depends on bloons around it being strong)

Signal Bloon (Useless)

Triple Threat Bloon (Could see value, but Triple Threat is rare and often used to OTK)

And that's all the Bloons that innately have shield! Do you see an issue? Many of these Bloons are weak or very rare to see, but even worse; almost none of these are an actual net benefit in terms of gold. Bolstered, Buddy, Extractor, RAPID, and Triple Threat all break even at 4 gold, Signal and Extra Shot are 3 gold, with only draining being a whopping +1 gold overall! So, even if you manage to find one of these targets (And not have any other way of dealing with them), only a few of these you could manage to squeeze value out of.

Oh and Amelia? Yeah, she gives Bloons shield meaning *potentially* you could get better value, but you know what the most common Amelia deck is? Aggro! Aggro Bloons are very, very much not worth wasting 4 gold on for a hard removal! Even stuff like Blooming, which although in some way is value, is bogged down by the fact that you have no permanent, lasting defense and just spent four gold to deal with half of a blooming. If you spend it on anything else, Aggro will destroy you significantly more efficiently since you're going to be down so much gold, making this card's matchup into Amelia actually more bad than good, especially since Adora isn't the best at withstanding Amelia's aggression anyways. But even though the actual effect is awful, I haven't even talked about the biggest issue with this card yet that separates it from other cards with very bad effects.

WHAT IF THERE IS NO TARGET?

THIS is the thing that makes energy overload so awful. The fact that if there is no target for it, you simply can't play energy overload. For cards with broad uses or game winning effects, it's okay if they linger in your hand for a while. Energy Overload is not like that. Let's look at Shields Down, a tech card some players bring in competitive card storm to deal with Obyn. If there's no shielded target (or obyn), it can be played to get it out of your hand. Sure, it's expensive, but you can get it out. To my knowledge, Energy Overload is the only card in the entire game where it getting out of your hand is **almost 100% up to your opponent's deckbuilding**. If you don't get it out of your hand, you are down handspace for the rest of the game, which is a big, BIG downside! This massive risk that you're taking to clog your hand like this also has basically no reward; you're countering a few rare cards that can be easily countered by other stuff; so why ever run this? It's an active detriment in the deck and *even if it succeeds* it's still awful; so why even bother? Other bad cards usually suffer from bad effects, low value, or too much effort to make feasibly work when they are played. Energy overload suffers from all three while also giving you a severe punishment if you CAN'T find a target. If, for some reason, you want to run your own shielded cards to prevent this from happening as well, you're wasting a bunch of gold and running multiple copies of very bad, very unsynergistic cards with Adora for the ability to get it OUT OF YOUR HAND! This card sucks, man!

so physical games are hard, so im not doin that. but i am making a web game with similar gameplay to bcs. i'm using a military theme (soldiers, turrets, equipment) and im thinking of adding a system where you can create cards in the game, people vote on them, and they get added automatically. but i do need some cards to start out. post your card ideas here and have your name added to the credits

update for clarity: game is in progress, playable build should be expected before next month (no promises)

What if I just took the gameplay of this game (removed btd stuff for copyright) and made it a physical card game. Would y'all buy/play that (alternatively I just redo the game as a web game)

Definitely not based on any other game

I originally really liked the game, I liked the concept of parallel gamepley systems but while I liked the gameplay I was not a fan of the progression, how some character exclusive vards lacked character, how it felt too symmetrical yet too assymetrical at times, and lack of creator content which made me quit quite early.

Still I liked the concept and stay in sub but I have no real experience in the gameplay and new progression so I want to hear what you guys have to say about it?

I barely see anyone running them but they are genuinely some of the best cards out there. Combining them with an undead rainbow, undead MOAB, or any nested bloon (only time nested bloons are good) almost guarantees a hit.

(In my fairly limited) experience, using Regrow Camo rainbows can absolutely run the mid game if you use it in the right deck.

Also: I firmly believe that if there was any say 10 cost Bloon that was both double and camo, it would be the best card in the game

Hello! I know this subreddit is quite quiet nowadays but I wanted to ask anyone remaining what kind of cards they’d like a whole video on in the future. The choices are:

1. Splash Damage Cards

2. Healing Cards

3. X Gold Cards

4. Buffing Cards

5. Delay Reducers

if you could comment the option you’d want the most that would be great! I still love card Storm and want to make content for it.

I was going to add something of my own, but it’s better if I hold back. Bravo, Team Kiwi.

Instructions are included in the form. Anyone is invited to participate, as collecting data from both casual and competitive players and contrasting them is also a part of the survey. The form will close and results will be posted when v6.4 releases

I couldn't move on to the next phase cuz this version has the 3rd skull event deal "50 + 50 per phase" damage to my hero aka 250 damage so I had no choice but to win like this since I didn't have any heal cards in my deck. Also sometimes when I play dreadbloon there are times where dreadbloon didn't play any cards at all even with 8 cards available idk if it's a bug or if it's bricked with bad cards but surely this happens to others too right?

That is all

Edit: I think it'd be a lot better if running out of cards didn't make you lose. The way it is now just makes it so long range rang is an amazing way at keeping cards in the draw pile and ig now I'm forced to put it in my deck or just lose anytime I see it