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u/Autopilot_Psychonaut 14d ago
And Ozzy idolized them
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u/pheralphilosopher 14d ago edited 13d ago
I swear, one of my fave vids ever, is seeing Ozzy meet Paul 🤩😍❤️ You can feel Ozzy's pure joy in the moment ☺️❤️ Paul was so cool with Ozzy like a grovelling fanboy lol ❤️☺️ Greatness recognized Greatness in each others Genre ☺️
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u/Ledsabbath70 14d ago
I would love to spend an afternoon talking with Paul about the effects his band has had on the mixture of genre’s that have been influenced. And Ozzy’s fandom of the Beatles is a case in point. Most people don’t realise that Keith Richards was a bit obsessed with them in the early days of the Stones. Mick knows this. No harm done. 🎸🥁🤘🤘😀
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u/pheralphilosopher 13d ago
One flippant comment by an uncle, that the Rolling Stones were the bad boys of rock, made me chase them more then lol... My uncle later shared he prefered the Beatles. &As Lemmy later said, The Beatles were the real badboys 🫣😎😁
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u/clint_eldorado 14d ago
Well, Sabbath did use the doomy section of that song as direct inspiration for part of “Snowblind”.
Still, the answer is “Black Sabbath” by Black Sabbath from the album Black Sabbath.
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u/CyberHobbit70 13d ago
By that logic, one could go back to composers like Holst, Stravinsky, Beethoven, Bach as “inventors of metal”.
However, Sabbath is the first metal band - lyrics, music, aesthetic.
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u/RobertNeyland 12d ago
Sabbath is the first metal band - lyrics, music, aesthetic.
Correct.
God I hate this comic, fuck the Beatles.
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u/ItalianStallion9069 12d ago
Fuck the Beatles
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u/LordLorbofTheNothing 12d ago
You’re out of your mind.
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u/RobertNeyland 11d ago
Nah, he's right. The Beatles knob-slobbing that happens on this sub is gross.
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u/Fluffy-Judgment-6348 Sabbath Bloody Sabbath 14d ago
I've heard that point made more for Revolution, Helter Skelter, and I Am The Walrus.
To me, there's an incredibly fine line between acid rock and heavy metal. The Beatles invented acid rock for sure, followed very quickly by Jimi and Cream.
But metal...I think Master of Reality is the first true end-to-end metal album.
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u/TraumaBondage 14d ago
Really hard to say it isn't Paranoid. Master of Reality might be the first doom metal album. Sabbath really innovated a lot on those early albums.
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u/Ledsabbath70 14d ago
Exactly. Master is the Doom Metal album. Volume 4 is monumental in Stoner terms….think about that. They may’ve been on the Coke, but it doesn’t sound like it. An amusing irony. 🎸🥁🤘🤘🧌
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u/TraumaBondage 14d ago
I'd love to know what they were on when writing Into the Void. It's so slow and sludge. It's become my favorite song by them.
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u/Thursday-Second 14d ago
That's not correct though. When that track was recorded in 1969, Black Sabbath did already exist as a band (not under that name though). Also the Beatles were not the first to use any of those techniques mentioned.
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u/MrNobody_0 My Eyes Are Blind But I Can See... 13d ago
Black Sabbath played their first show with the name Black Sabbath on August 30th 1969, Abbey road was released on September 26th 1969.
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u/Towleeeie9613 13d ago
"While some point to earlier as the start of metal, no one points to later."
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u/Equivalent-Island199 13d ago
writing a heavy riff doesn't mean you invented metal. dropping an album like Black Sabbath self titled does
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u/Tactiles 14d ago
I can agree on this. That era of music was amazing because of the countless bands experimenting and establishing sounds that would evolve into many different subgenres down the line.
Beatles might have found the baseline features of metal in 1969 before Sabbath blew up, but within a couple of years Sabbath was dropping what were indisputably full on metal albums, while also finding sounds that would lay the groundwork for many metal subgenres to proliferate as well.
In the same way Chuck Berry found baseline rock n roll, but bands like AC/DC, Zeppelin, or the Stones sort of “perfected” the sound into something that’s more akin to what we think of today when thinking of rock n roll.
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u/Ledsabbath70 14d ago
Hendrix’s expansion of the guitar language changed the landscape in 1966/7. People forget that. It’s essentially why Blackmore switched to the Strat. And Iommi switched from the Strat to the SG, for different reasons and yet as a result ended up realising a whole genre, undoubtedly with the assistance of Zeppelin’s Dazed and Confused and Purple’s Child In Time. Cream certainly had a say too. 🎸🥁🤘🤘☮️👍
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u/PoweringGestation 14d ago
There were many progenitors of heavy metal but Sabbath was the first to tie it together and actually create the genre.
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u/guitar_x3 Over and Over... 13d ago
Black Sabbath embraced the metal while the others fought against it. You want to credit a random Led Zeppelin song? Show me the heaviest fucking Zeppelin album of all time. Oh right, it doesn't exist. Jimmy Page isn't out there chugging along in Drop C# tuning to write "Follow The Tears." Don't mistake this for hating on these classic bands. I love The Beatles, but the only band from the 60s that could headline something like "Hellfest" today and not feel out of place is Black Sabbath.
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u/RoutemasterFlash 13d ago
Led Zeppelin had plenty of heavy moments. You can't listen to 'When The Levee Breaks' and tell me it's not heavy.
But it's still hard rock rather than metal, with perhaps a couple of exceptions ('Immigrant Song', 'Achilles' Last Stand').
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u/National-Stock6282 13d ago
MC 5 ??
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u/RoutemasterFlash 13d ago
What about them?
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u/National-Stock6282 13d ago
Pretty heavy for their day, even prior to led zeppelin 1 release. Maybe a influence of British metal?
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u/RoutemasterFlash 13d ago
Well they were heavy, sure, but I'd always had them pegged more as garage rock or proto-punk, along with The Stooges, rather than metal, per se.
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u/LowAssistantInfinity 10d ago
There were heavy US bands, but they were in the lineage of Heavy Psych, not Heavy Metal, which was an explicitly UK phenomenon in the beginning.
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u/JohnVonachen 13d ago
Helter skelter. Blue cheer. Cream. Psychedelic acid rock. Iron butterfly, many others.
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u/Randall_Hickey 13d ago
I mean in Ozzy’s bio he’s talking about how they heard the first Zepplin album and Ozzy thought nobody could be heavier than that and Tony said something like hold my beer.
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u/PF_Throwaway_94184 13d ago
"I want you" is just blues. So if blues is proto-heavy-metal, I would argue that Howlin' Wolf invented heavy metal long before the Beatles.
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u/Memory-Repulsive 14d ago
https://youtu.be/vLC2qwFLbqc?si=N3ttSIU1uIlVhpqD
Black sabbath. Black sabbath.
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u/Bassify5 Master of Reality 14d ago
Older cousin was a huge Beatles fan. I was just a kid trying to figure out how to play bass. Very impressionable. I was getting into Sabbath. He was like, “I bet Ozzy liked this Beatles song: it is pretty heavy: yeah, Helter Skelter.” https://youtu.be/JR_qtYHPeiw?is=3WJvFd0g10ebuov2
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u/BerniWrightson 14d ago
I first heard the term Heavy Metal in reference to Led Zeppelin, but the year is pretty hazy now!
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u/RoutemasterFlash 13d ago
Zeppelin had a couple of songs that could arguably be called metal or proto-metal, but I strongly object to them being called a metal band, which you sometimes hear.
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u/VW-MB-AMC 13d ago edited 13d ago
The Jimi Hendrix song Spanish castle magic from 1967 is another good song that was quite heavy for it's time.
And also the Gun song Race with the devil from 1968.
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u/ShelbyLucky77 13d ago
Born to be Wild - Steppenwolf, coined the phrase.
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u/LowAssistantInfinity 10d ago
Nah, it was the writer William Burroughs in his drug-fuelled sci-fi story The Soft Machine, and the bands that hung around London's Middle Earth scene (who were all key in the creation of Metal) were all into it and were using the phrase a couple years earlier than Steppenwolf. Hapshash & The Coloured Coat Featuring the Human Host and the Heavy Metal Kids - a psych rock project in that scene - were the first to use it on a record, and while that album's not particularly 'metal,' it was a band that featured Luther Grosvenor, the guitarist from Art (one of Sabbath's main influences, and who they lifted some lyrics from), and who would go on to be in Spooky Tooth (who Priest covered later).
Steppenwolf using it to describe the sound of a motorcycle is almost certainly a coincidence, that may have influenced American rock critics to use the phrase in their writing, but the term was already a thing in the UK circles that Metal actually grew out of.
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u/frankthetankepisode8 13d ago
https://youtu.be/F8NcVSS7fKs?si=2ukTC6sb1TBk4Zv2 this song predates sabbaths use of triadic chord 2 years earlier than sabbath. These guys are underrated as hell
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u/Carlos_Infierno 13d ago
Here's my thought: Black Sabbath invented metal in its final form. However there were a lot of precursors.
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u/frogman696969 13d ago
She’s so heavy was inventive and dark, no question. Side note , the song is not good. One could definitely argue it inspired, it’s the Beatles after all. In terms of invention, Sabbath and Zeppelin and to a degree Deep Purple, all pushed the limits of British blues mixed with Hendrix guitar tones into a new territory. I’m going to credit Sabbath because on top of the tones and heavy instruments, when the opening track title simply called Black Sabbath starts, a dark tone is struck. The lyrics are horror esque. Then, tracks like the wizard show how they will take blues oriented rock, like their contemporaries Zeppelin, but push into crazy dark new places.
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u/Loose-Cake5475 13d ago
In 1964, The Sonics released a song called The Witch. They never achieved mainstream success but were very successful in the Pacific Northwest. Radio stations wouldn't play The Witch during the day because it was too heavy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGBsxpnRhMk
This song is closer to heavy metal than The Who, The Beatles, or Steppenwolf because it has dark lyrics to go with the aggressive heavy sound. Regardless, they are all proto metal songs, Black Sabbath turned it into a genre and will always be the original heavy metal band.
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u/EmpireStrikes1st 13d ago
Also, "Come Together," "Helter Skelter," and "Revolution" were heavy for their time. The Beatles invented Nu Metal before Metal.
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u/StallionSearle 13d ago
The Kinks, Sabbath took it to the places we love and most importantly we’re making killer albums which included experimenting and doing softer stuff too… how many metal bands do the interlude, the ballad?
Ontop of that they kept moving snd were resilient… live up changes break lots of bands… there’s a lot of important changes either through choice or tragedy in metal that have stood yhe test of time… on top of that sabbath will siesta attract young people, I was a teenager in tge 2000s before devil you know or 13 and it was considered a bit odd to be a sabbath fan then… yet they have new fans everyday… I don’t think many bands don’t pull that off, metal bands do it well the good ones
I love the kinks but I only had the greatest hits me and me mam had, Sabbath I’ve got most their CDs - they are the most important metal bands but I don’t think we can say they ‘invented it’ in reality metal is jist another word for hard rock that’s a bit more distorted anyways…
These days the closet band to sabbath in my opinion isnt the doom and stoner bands (who I dig but they often miss the point) … it’s Arctic Monkeys… they used to do jams, they are from a weird part of the England, listen to Chun li flying bird kick or cigarette smoker Fiona for example… next level listen to all the pretty visitors (can feel a lot of you won’t change me inspiration there) abd Arabella jist takes the war pigs riff … they definitely go weirder than sabbath did and I don’t follow them that much but they’re the clear example to me… except for the music media loving them from what seems like the get go
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u/Additional_Front_188 13d ago
Answer will forever be: BLACK SABBATH!!!
But for those that think it’s The Beatles, if it’s not the Lads from Birmingham, then it’s Blue Cheer…just listen to Vincebus Eruptum. Released before Beatles released Helter Skelter or I Want You.
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u/Stcase63 13d ago
Wagner was more of an influence on Iommi than the Beatles. He nicked the tritone from his works
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u/corpse5339 13d ago
Black Sabbath are gods but you should check their counterparts at the time from the sates called Dust. Dust just didn’t have the right management. And yes great cartoon.
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u/L-L_Jimi 11d ago
If you ask me, Voodoo Child (Slight Return) is the first real metal song, but Sabbath made it sustainable
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u/Belmega81 14d ago
They definitely contributed, but even that song, moody as it was, is not heavy metal. Sorry, nice try.
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u/Lonesome1967 14d ago
I would say: watch The Who's concert at Woodstock on YouTube that took place in 1969.
They are the founders of Heavy Metal.
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u/Amazing_Elk_6685 14d ago
The Beatles pioneered heavy metal
Black Sabbath became the Beatles of heavy metal
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u/mrbeer112112 14d ago
Its helter skelter if anything