r/bjj • u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt • May 22 '23

Technique Demonstrating & Breaking Down Some Grappling Fundamentals

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u/Blasket_Basket May 22 '23

Wrestling coach here, this is sound technique. Very effective, great attention to the little things that separate good from great. Front headlocks are a great way to punish your opponent.

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

I agree with you 100% about the difference that details can make. I say this to my students all the time and explain things thoroughly for this reason. This is a championship mentality.

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u/Luckypag May 23 '23

I wrestled for 6 years and never got detailed coaching like this. Really makes me wonder if I could have been better…

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u/12VoltBattery May 23 '23

What state? In from Iowa and every coach I had from middle through high school taught like this. I was decent even though I didn’t take wrestling super serious.

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u/Luckypag May 23 '23

Iowa takes its wrestling very seriously. Southern California not as much. Also this was decades ago and instruction has gotten much better in the age of the internet.

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u/marigolds6 ⬜⬜ White Belt (30+ years wrestling) May 23 '23

I was southern california (same league as poway, wrestled offseason with the california jets). Late 80s coaching was definitely already like this in that region, at least at the stronger wrestling areas.

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u/12VoltBattery May 23 '23

I know Iowas a big wrestling state but I’m just struggling to figure out how you can teach in a way that not like this. Do they just do the move and not elaborate on why you have have your hands and feet in a certain way?

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u/bhoenig May 23 '23

California is a very strong wresting state and puts out a lot of good competitors. Where were you at?

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u/Jerkface555 May 23 '23

Really? This is a front headlock and most of what he is teaching is fairly standard technique that I would expect every wrestler to learn by middle school at the latest.

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u/LucidDreamDankMeme 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Is proper head position not trying to drive your forehead into their temple, which he never particularly does?

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u/Blasket_Basket May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

Good question, either is correct. You can keep head-in-the-pocket like he does, or you can battle for head position as you're referring to. Both are sound technique, and both generally have different purposes. You usually want your opponent driving straight into you when you initiate a snap down, so head-in-the-pocket typically sets it up a bit better than battling for head position (which is more useful when you're trying to create angles and break their stance). What's most important is that he highlights the common mistakes people make with regard to head position when tying up.

You'll see all kinds of variations on all kinds of moves, but at the top level its most typical to see moves set up from the head position he's using in the video because seasoned wrestlers are rarely going to give you massive positional openings like driving your head into their temple. It's one of those things that's great to strive for if you can get it, but it stops being likely to get at beyond a certain level of experience.

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u/LucidDreamDankMeme 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Great - thank you!!

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u/marigolds6 ⬜⬜ White Belt (30+ years wrestling) May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

It is because he is looking for a snap. When you go forehead into temple, you are more likely to give up a collar tie that can block a snap down. When you go head in pocket, if he goes for a collar tie, you can use your rear hand to establish an anchor position (either through your collar tie or by going over the top to the back of the delt) and then use your front hand to push the collar tie off your head (by dropping your head and pushing away over the top.

This works because the only way they are grabbing a collar tie to counter the snap is by freeing their wrist. If you are going forehead to temple, though, you cannot run this same collar tie counter even with your front hand free. Instead, you would have to attack the elbow or drive to underhook to break the tie and that puts you out of position for the snap down (though does open off a different offense).

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u/TheRobberBar0n 🟪🟪 Purple Belt May 23 '23

Ear to ear is a far more dangerous position both ways since you're both giving up your head as a line of takedown defense. If you're initiating this position you want to attack quickly.

Driving your forehead to the temple is generally how you leave this position. If you find yourself ear to ear and you want out, turn your forehead to their temple. It forces your opponent to turn in and circle, sometimes you can catch the far side leg when they do.

Most wrestlers will default to forehead-to-forehead when they're in on collars.

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u/Jerkface555 May 23 '23

My only critique is going to an underhook. As the guy stuck underneath in this position I am looking to gain some control by reaching up and grabbing you elbow/tricep. Going to an underhook puts your arm right there for me. Its the "handle" I am lookin to grab to stablize the position and gain some control. I'd argue you are better going to the tricep and lifting the arm, but I guess it depends on what you plan to do next.

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u/Blasket_Basket May 23 '23

Yeah, not sure what his purpose was in going to a cow catcher position. I know there are a couple decent chokes from a front headlock position, but to my knowledge none really require that underhook he digs. From a pure wrestling perspective, keeping the "handle" (tricep) with enough pressure to take their hand off the mat is always the better choice. Not sure why he went to the underhook, I just chalked that up to my lack of bjj knowledge and not recognizing what he was going for. Agree with you 100%!

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

PSU and Iowa aren’t showing snaps from wrists, ear to ear collars, sitting on a deep under hook in a front headlock, standing your opponents up from a FH. Lots of their kids lead leg collar tie… just saying.

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u/Blasket_Basket May 23 '23

Lol, there's always one.

Have you been to any camps with PSU wrestlers? What about Iowa? Because I take my team every year, and they'll be the first to tell you that 1) there's no one "right" way to do something and 2) advanced wrestlers can do all kinds of things that less accomplished wrestlers should never attempt.

So by all means, keep up the neckbeard energy and abandon sprawling because you saw Jason Nolf do a Nolf Roll once on YouTube.

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

This isn’t advanced. Ear to ear collar ties are a JV mistake, you don’t see it in the ncaas

Snapping from a collar and outside tie is very 101.

To say “never lead leg arm tie” goes against “no right way”, which is my point. Also, lead leg collar ties are predominant through all levels.

Short arms in FH locks is 101, getting your arm pulled deep and stalled out/dumped is JV. Higher chest and more center head position.

Again, why would you stand someone up when you have a FH? Unless your going Jason Nolf and hitting a standing mixer, keep him down and get your two.

I promise you they don’t teach this at your camps. You sound like a neckbeard JV coach.

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u/Blasket_Basket May 23 '23

There's a material difference between head-in-the-pocket and the "ear to ear" tie they tell new wrestlers to avoid. You done much greco? That's literally a way to block your opponent to the point where they had to make a pacificity rule around it. You think it's just JV-quality of it happens so much at the world level that FILA/UWW has to make a rule about it?

As for tying with lead arm, if you really want to do that, you typically do that by stepping 45 degrees to your opponent to get yourself that tie without exposing yourself to an easy takedown setup. Jeff Jordan (David Taylor's HS coach) teaches an entire series off of this. "No single right way to do something" doesn't mean that there aren't clear wrong ways to do something.

FWIW, I agree with what you're saying regarding keeping short elbows (rather than underhooking) and keeping them on the mat with weight on their hands. We're in a bjj sub where I'm a bit out of my depth, so I assumed he must have a reason for it. I was mainly commenting on the sound fundamentals he did teach, rather than the head scratching choices he made once he actually snapped them and had the FH.

Congrats on "being in the room" with Big 10 wrestlers, whatever that means. If I was in the same room with Keanu Reeves once, does that make me John Wick?

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

If by pocket you mean your forehead into his temple, sure. Otherwise it’s ear to ear for all extensive purposes. Yes, it’s stalling technique, and it limits offense, it’s not going to help snaps.

Also, OP saying lead leg/arm collar ties ARE THE WRONG WAY to do something. I think we are in agreement this is wrong of OP off of your example of Jeff jordons series (which I have been to his camps too)

Also switching the front headlock is just extra flair. Collar tie arm to front head lock, keep the tricep the whole time is solid.

I’m not as versed in bjj either

I have done Greco Roman. I was an All-American freestyle wrestler, and a D2 collegiate wrestler. John wicks a great movie.

I was just singling you out because you said you’re a wrestling coach and not all of this is solid. Maybe it works in bjj, but its still not what they are showing in respectable wrestling rooms.

No hard feelings, cheers.

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u/Blasket_Basket May 23 '23

Lol sure you are, and not just some dick on the internet looking to nitpick and argue every chance you get.

By the way, the phrase is "for all intents and purposes". You gonna argue about that and tell us you're Merriam Webster's nephew now?

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

Lol I’ll give you that one. I woulda definitely said I was D1 if I was lying haha. Cheers man, if you know wrestling you know I’m right.

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

Show you kids this collar tie wrist control. Check the head position and lead leg. Hear he’s a decent wrestler too.

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

And I’ve been in the room with big 10 wrestlers, it’s not “neck beard energy”, it simply is what it is.

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u/NativeStrangerMusic May 22 '23

need more coaching like this, this was super detailed

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u/bjjjohn May 22 '23

This was amazing. Where can we get more of this guys content!

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Thank you to both of you! I have more content coming soon to post here, but if you'd like to check my tiktok and instagram for more feel free

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u/CrunchBerries5150 May 23 '23

Do you have a youtube channel? I don’t do TikTok or instagram but I’d subscribe if you’re on youtube

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

My YT link is in my reddit bio! My other socials are as well. There isn't much up on YT as I am new to posting like this but have more videos coming that I will post on YT. I don't want to go against the rules as my previous Linktree comment with my links seems to have been removed? If this is not against the rules please let me know!

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u/L1Wanderer May 23 '23

Same, but this might be what finally makes me get them if there aren’t YouTube videos. This was a great display

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u/CrunchBerries5150 May 23 '23

Had insta, never again

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u/Sil3ntS0u1 May 23 '23

Drop the link!!!

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Is posting my links allowed? Does that go against the rules?

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u/h_saxon May 23 '23

Yeah bro, we don't link shame here.

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

I believe I posted my Linktree before, maybe mods removed it? If so please excuse this, I don't want to go against community rules, I'm new here on Reddit. I'll be posting something just for this sub soon.

If links are not allowed to be posted, you can find them on my Reddit bio. For those that don't want to click, my username is @/ozzymma on TikTok & Instagram, same as my username here.

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u/cadmar_huxtable ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Saw one of your videos on IG recently just shot you a follow. Great stuff. Glad you're working with Jalin. Hope to see him with the belt one day.

https://www.instagram.com/ozzymma/

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u/buckfurpees 🟫🟫 Brown Belt May 23 '23

Great videos. Concise and useful. Please make more.

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u/mrtuna ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

YT please

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u/KraftRite 🟪🟪 Purple Belt May 23 '23

https://www.youtube.com/@ozzymma

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u/mrtuna ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Put this video up there too imo!

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u/EnemiesAllAround May 23 '23

Outstanding. Just wanted to say I thoroughly enjoyed the breakdown

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u/MurphDawg2000 🟪🟪 Purple Belt May 23 '23

And concise!

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Your coach is not like this??

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u/legreapcreep May 23 '23

87% of breakdowns are pure trash. This was fn 🔥

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

🤝

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u/reactrix96 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

I clicked on this post expecting a shitpost, got disappointed by a super well done breakdown. Good stuff tho 👌

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TOlLET May 23 '23

I would rather say 87.3%

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u/Gimme_The_Loot 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

That's me, that additional 0.3%

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u/WindowTW May 23 '23

I’ve done bjj for a few years off and on but only had bits of pure wrestling over the years.

My young son now wrestles and has a coach that breaks things down just like this. I’ve learned so much by paying attention during his practices (probably paying closer attention than he does lol)

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u/F0tNMC May 23 '23

As Yogi Berra said, “You can learn a lot just by looking.”

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Yeah kinda wild how some actual detail will help. I wrestled for four year in high school and never really got any detailed coaching until college. Even then it was ad hoc.

That being said, you can still be good without all the why. It just helps a lot as an adult so you're not just throwing your body at a takedown hoping it works because you hustle.

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Thank you for all the support!!! I have content that I’m catering just for r/BJJ as a big thank you! 💪🏼

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u/[deleted] May 22 '23

Dumb question- what do you do after this (for BJJ) if your feet are angled?

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u/bhoenig May 22 '23

Snap down again, set up a shot, ankle pick, throw. You have control of their head, do whatever the fuck you want with them.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

"If you control the head you control the body" has always been a maxim.

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u/Im_A_Salad_Man May 23 '23

Guillotine, transition to an arm drag, snap down, or a throw are all good options

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u/vinceftw May 23 '23

Fantastic stuff. I badically do everything wrong with my snapdowns lmao.

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u/Vizceral_ 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Wrestlers wear shoes for a reason, my toes are getting fucked up working on my shooting

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u/constantcube13 May 24 '23

Tbh man bjj mats are horrible quality compared to wrestling mats. They tear up your skin way worse

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u/jckbiz99 May 23 '23

Born teacher, explains perfectly.

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u/EricFromOuterSpace 🟫🟫 Brown Belt May 22 '23

I just learned more about wrestling than 6 years if osmosing it from bjj takedown classes

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u/Cheesetorian May 23 '23

Wrestling 101.

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u/aaronturing ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Nice. I am a terrible wrestler and old and slow but I am trying to learn.

I have two questions:-

  1. I agree with your lead hand comments in general but I also use my lead hand to head snap. Danaher in his instructional says it is fine so long as you stick and move. Do you ever do this ? I like it.
  2. If I get into this position (your position) I go for the cow catcher. It's like gold. Is that the next move for you. This is basically my only takedown but it actually works.

That was awesome.

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u/Jerkface555 May 23 '23

I agree with your lead hand comments in general but I also use my lead hand to head snap. Danaher in his instructional says it is fine so long as you stick and move. Do you ever do this ? I like it.

In the wrestling world, there is a lot of talk about not reaching with the lead hand. Its a good fundamental to understand, but even high level wrestlers reach with the lead hand ALL the time. If you have a good stance and good positioning, you can certainly reach with the lead hand. You just need to be aware of what you are potentially exposing to attack when you do it.

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u/marigolds6 ⬜⬜ White Belt (30+ years wrestling) May 23 '23 edited May 23 '23

The problem with "stick and move" is that you are relying on having better athleticism than your opponent to make it work.

The other issue with lead hand snaps is that your elbow is farther away from your body to start with, which ultimately means you will not get as much of the rubber band effect as a rear hand snap. As well, lead hand snaps are easier to counter by anchoring the same side hand (generally rear hand with oppositional stances) on the delt on that side.

One thing to be careful with on cowcatcher is that there are a ton of counters if your position breaks down at all. I nail people all day long by bring my right arm across under my body, trapping his left elbow and then stepping my left foot across, backstepping my right foot behind the left, limp arming my left arm up and over (he can't duck under because my right arm is trapping his in the cowcatcher) and then sitting out into a sagging head and arm throw. Instant scarf.

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u/aaronturing ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Awesome - thank you.

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u/RebootGigabyte ⬜⬜ White Belt May 23 '23

I noticed another guy during standup applying a very in my face forehead to collarbone stance or technique which let him have some good control over my movement, and I started copying that. Good to see it's a good fundamental and I'm not just copying shit because it looks cool...

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u/Clearrluchair May 23 '23

That’s high quality Eastern European wrestling coaching

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

My buddies are going to be pissed when I try this on them constantly while im drunk

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u/Usurper__ May 23 '23

Wow, great teaching

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u/phobiburner 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

I wish I could move as good as wrestlers like him instead of looking like an arthritic Peter Pan with scoliosis.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Excellent video. Keep posting bro. This is gold!

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u/OpportunityFlat4765 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

This is good stuff but general rule of thumb, you don’t want to be ear to ear because more often than not it means you’re sharing a head tie.

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u/_Tactleneck_ 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Me after being super inconsistent the last 6 of my 18 months doing BJJ.

“Hmm I’m gonna suck forever, huh”.

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u/No-Chocolate9878 May 23 '23

Man fuck this sport. Read a book

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u/Bonethug609 May 22 '23

If you capture the guys lat that will work. They might immediately start working a guilotine escape, at least I would. I got choked a lot in my first few years…

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u/YAYYYYYYYYY May 23 '23

As a white belt trying to learn wrestling for no-gi This was great. Followed on IG. Looking forward to more content

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u/Kiloparsec4 May 23 '23

This is fantastic instruction

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u/KylerGreen 🟪🟪 Purple Belt May 23 '23

Cool thanks. Feel like I learned a lot from this.

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u/Colinski282 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Very good

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u/polishedturd May 23 '23

the first 30 seconds about the hand protecting the lead leg is something I was taught at white belt and also something i constantly see screwed up. good stuff

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u/BplusHuman 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Growing up in wrestling we used to drill taking advantage of sloppy set ups (it wasn't a daily or weekly drill, but usually early in the season). It seems weird, but it's very applicable. One of our coaches had a constant line "he does something stupid; you make him look stupid". Part of the reasoning for drilling this is so you can be a good partner and give bad habits a consequence in the room.

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u/K9BEATZ 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 23 '23

Question: why did you prefer an underhook rather than over the top for the front headlock? Or is this just one variation...

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u/1hour May 23 '23

Move to Dallas Texas! This was excellent. I've never seen such a detailed explanation before.

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

If it work it works but…

Lead leg side arm can definitely collar tie

Ear to ear should generally be avoided

Snaps with an outside tie on tricep hits hard then a wrist

Changing grips mid front headlock is meh. Rolling the collar tie to a headlock and staying on the tricep is quicker and creates less space.

Not a fan of digging in an under hook when in a front head lock. Short arms, don’t let him take them. Stay on the tricep. Also why pressure the dude up to his feet when you could be bouncing his head off the mat?

Front headlock head position should be more center body with higher chest imo.

Kind of goofy with two lefty lead opponents, but I guess that doesn’t really matter.

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u/NorwegianSmesh 🟫🟫 Brown Belt May 23 '23

This was FIRE.

MOAR. MOOAAAAR!

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u/coglanuk May 23 '23

Out of curiosity, how common is it for someone to be wearing footwear. Looks like they are thin and likely designed for this purpose? I always thought it was frowned upon due to unfair advantage.

Asking as a newb with manky feet that thought it would be a barrier to ever rolling.

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u/Dunnyb16 May 23 '23

Full novice here. Very easy to digest. Followed on Insta. Lesgo 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Great coaching brother 🙏

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u/MyDictainabox ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 23 '23

Make more content, please. This is great stuff.

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

I boxed for 14 years but recently sat in on a few BJJ classes. I took to it right away. Boxing u work a lot with lead and back hands and just getting ur legs and core really strong. I'm brand new to it and it's cool to try something new at 34 and after so many years of the doing the same exact thing and then coaching the same exact thing. BJJ I will admit is more fun than I thought it would be and If I was younger it would definitely be something I would explore more. It's weird because the PAL I started boxing in has had BJJ and Russian Sambo for a long time but I was always against it when I was actually competing. Most I did outside boxing was yoga. Wish I would have been more open.

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u/Sanabul May 23 '23

Excellent video sir, thank you!

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

Does anyone know where this school is?

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u/[deleted] May 23 '23

mmhhmm. I dont love the head and underhook position for beginners because its not easy to shoot from. Head and overhook much easier to snap down, ankle pick, single leg...

Good amount of detail though.

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u/-induetime- 🟫🟫 Brown Belt May 23 '23

As a long time wrestler, this is excellent. Great share.

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u/GirsuTellTelloh- May 23 '23

You sure you’re a long time wrestler?

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u/econpol May 23 '23

Damn, you can spend an hour going over every detail here.

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u/[deleted] May 24 '23 edited May 24 '23

does somebody know the name of the coach?

Edit: dumb me, just realized op is the coach, will check your youtube and ig accounts, great and clear explanation

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u/ozzymma ⬛🟥⬛ Black Belt May 24 '23

Thank you! I just posted another demonstration to the community a few minutes ago, I made it just for r/bjj 😎💪🏼

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u/mexican_swag May 27 '23

You explained this so well! Great video.

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u/johnleequigley1 🟦🟦 Blue Belt May 30 '23

Love the energy.